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Old 10-01-2013, 10:21 PM   #1
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Pinch collar

So I have a 7month old,75lb German Shepard.We run every morning together.Well hes been chasing cars,going crazy and trying to catch them.My wife def couldent handle him(Hercules) when hes like that.I was told about a pinch collar by a trainer.I researched them & how to properly use one.So I bought one,I was very hesitant to use it.The thing looks like a torture instrument.So I try the collar.The first time with it he sees the moving truck,gets fixed on it and is like in a trance.He goes to start to pull and go nuts ,but he gave a little yelp,like if I stepped on his tail.From then on he hasent pulled,chased cars or acted up. It was amazing.I am glad I tried it.He has to pull hard for it to pinch him so unless he gets crazy he doesent even care about it.

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Old 10-02-2013, 08:16 AM   #2
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They're a great training tool. I'm glad you did your homework before using it, there are a lot of idiots out there causing dogs pain for no reason.

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Yes,like any tool you need to know how to use it.What Ive found about using it correctly is,and it works well is to let the dog pull,do not yank on the leash.Let the dog know its him who cause any discomfort,not you scolding him.He did it to himself,or herself.
I cant believe the change in him.Hes like a new dog.I was getting a few nasty looks at the pet shop where I bought the collar.
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Old 10-03-2013, 05:19 PM   #4
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My wife brought home a collar called the "Gentle Leader" a few years ago for our Dobermans. Unlike a pinch collar it not only goes around the neck but also the muzzle. What happens is if the dog trys to run or pull , his head comes back to either side and he cant see what he's looking at so he stops. I had went and bought a pinch collar but wasn't really to keen on it. When the wife brought the gentle leader home I laughed at her until I used it and was amazed at how well it worked. There is no pinching , no choking involved. Here's a link for it on amazon Amazon.com: gentle leash

Now , about two years ago somebody dumped off a Doberman in my yard. At first I thought it was one of my dogs but while yelling at the dumb dog to come , my son pointed out that it was NOT one of our dogs,lol. So after putting up "found" posters and calling the Humane Society , Animal Control trying to see if someone had reported a lost Doberman I never got a response. Well , I decided I was going to keep the dog , she was VERY beautiful and well behaved but after 3 days I realized there was no way in h3ll she was going to get along with my female.
So what does this have to do with the Gentle Leader? I ended up giving the dog to an elderly family member (82 yr old great uncle) who used to have Dobermans but had not had one in years due to him getting older.
Well , after finding out the dog had heartworms (I'm thinking that is why someone dumped the dog in my fenced yard and may have known I dobermans) my great uncle decided to spend the approx. $1k to get the dog treated for the heartworms and up to date on shots and keep her. But when it came to walking the dog he really couldn't handle her if she pulled. I gave him the gentle leader that we had used and lo and behold , after about 1 minute of trying to pull , the dog realized that whenever she did that her head came to the side and she couldn't see where she wanted to go , thus stopping. My great uncle can now take her for walks and she no longer pulls. I cannot praise these collars enough. Although they look a little funny , they are great! You can even look them up on youtube if you want more info on how they work.
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Did you guys who used the gentle leader or even the pinch collar go back to using a traditional collar?
Did the "training" aspect stick or would the dog learn the training collar was off and act up again?

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Old 10-05-2013, 01:55 PM   #6
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After a month or so of using one, mine stopped pulling like a bull possessed and stopped acting out during walks and outings. People, often the small dog enthusiasts, rail against these collars, but a GSD has a thick double coat of fur and the common collar applies almost all the pressure at the most vulnerable part of the dog - the larynx and windpipe. The pinch collar is more humane than a traditional collar on an untrained dog. A hard yank on a traditional collar worn by a dog acting out can injure or collapse their larynx.

Once properly socialized and trained, they don't need the collar any more.
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The pinch collar is more humane than a traditional collar on an untrained dog.
I second this. My dog will start pulling again when I try to go back to the regular collar, though. She will do OK until she spots a cat or something.
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Both of my dogs walk fine , the older of the two (8 yr old) I had used a choke collar. The younger (4yrs) we used the gentle leader and she walks fine also. Although , they will sometimes pull for a second when they see squirrels
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Can someone put up a pic of a pinch collar? Never seen one. I use a choke in my 1 yo lab and am worried that because he's too stubborn I'm going to yank one of these days and hurt him. He's been trained, but still has too much puppy in him at times.

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My dog would go crazy for squirrels and cats on our walks and was just generally a hard puller. We tried the choke collars(was given great reviews by the pet store employees) ugh those things went on once and never again. We found a head harness which when they pulled too hard it would cause their mouths to shut. It was cheap and worked perfectly without causing her any pain.
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My dog wore both a traditional collar and a pinch collar. The pinch collar should not be worn at all times, because if he gets accidentally caught on something, he could harm himself. The pinch collar can also be used to train different types of behavior, especially in areas with lots of distractions. My mom has him now and if she walks him, she uses a regular collar because the pinch one scares her. He doesn't tend to pull.
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Old 10-06-2013, 12:29 PM   #12
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Can someone put up a pic of a pinch collar? Never seen one. I use a choke in my 1 yo lab and am worried that because he's too stubborn I'm going to yank one of these days and hurt him. He's been trained, but still has too much puppy in him at times.

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I would rather a pinch collar than a choke.My Shepard would just choke the crap out of himself.With the pinch collar he pulled once & never has done it again.I dont like choke collars because it can damage there trachia.Just google pinch collar.
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My dog wore both a traditional collar and a pinch collar. The pinch collar should not be worn at all times, because if he gets accidentally caught on something, he could harm himself. The pinch collar can also be used to train different types of behavior, especially in areas with lots of distractions. My mom has him now and if she walks him, she uses a regular collar because the pinch one scares her. He doesn't tend to pull.
The only time he wears the pinch is on our walks.It comes off immediately after.
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Our lab puppy would always pull with traditional collars until she was panting/choking for air so we got her the choke collar at the recommendation of our dog trainer. The thing is a miracle, she will give a slight pull at times but stops right after. (She is 8 months old so still has a TON of energy and this thing has been a huge help!)

At first I felt bad using it but realistically it shouldn't be that painful with their thicker skin/fur compared to our skin and also I would think since there are so many points it is similar to standing on a bed of nails, the pressure is displaced.

However now that I see people posting about the "gentle leader" I think I'm going to order one up and see how she likes that.
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Can someone put up a pic of a pinch collar?
Thx Kris
Less harmful than it appears:
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Here are a couple of pics of how loose it fits when not pinching. My dog has so much fur and muscle around his neck it really doesn't do too much to him.



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thx that's what I thought it looked like
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Keep in mind the prongs arent sharp at all.I can press them into my arm pretty hard and it wont puncture skin.Hercules has to be pulling pretty hard before it causes any pinching.He knows better now & doesent pull at all anymore.
And removing or adding prongs is crucial to get it to fit properly which is very important.
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And bostiguy,I love the G.S.
Heres Hercules:



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And bostiguy,I love the G.S.
Heres Hercules:
Good looking boy you got there....
Mine is a pretty unknown breed called a Shiloh Shepherd (Shiloh Shepherd Dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

A bit larger, furrier and bred for companionship temperament. I wanted a large family dog that would also offer protection and be lovable. I accidentally ran into this breed while wasting some time at a pet show on a cold winter's day.
How they change in a year:

same dog, same couch, maybe same squirrel outside:

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I would rather a pinch collar than a choke.My Shepard would just choke the crap out of himself.With the pinch collar he pulled once & never has done it again.I dont like choke collars because it can damage there trachia.Just google pinch collar.
Both are great and if used properly will accomplish goal. A choke collar is not actually meant to choke. It should be a quick snap of lead and then released. And they can be put on wrong and they won't auto release.

Dogs, like people, respond to diff tools. My lab is ok with a choke collar but if really gets distracted doesn't help. However e-collar, even on buzz setting, works perfectly.

He didn't care about pinch collar much either.

He is trained now to walk off leash, even in public. I also use him as a hunting dog. E-collar what I use now at this stage for him. Usually just wearing it and don't use much anymore.
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Good looking boy you got there....
Mine is a pretty unknown breed called a Shiloh Shepherd (Shiloh Shepherd Dog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

A bit larger, furrier and bred for companionship temperament. I wanted a large family dog that would also offer protection and be lovable. I accidentally ran into this breed while wasting some time at a pet show on a cold winter's day.
How they change in a year:

same dog, same couch, maybe same squirrel outside:

Thats a pretty unique dog.What a difference in the 2 sets of pics you posted.

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