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Old 02-06-2007, 08:57 AM   #1
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hey this is for every1 who has and or enjoys shooting pistols... i'm gonna be buying one soon. and am looking for some input on what to get. i know it'll be a 9mm semi-auto. but not sure what kind i want. my dad has a ruger p89 that i like alot, but i was wondering if any1 else can point me in a good direction

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It mostly depends on what you want one for; there are a lot of choices out there. Forget the puny 9mm, go big.....

I really like the Kimber stainless 1911. If I were buying my first hand gun, that is what I'd buy. Kinda like a Wrangler, a great platform to start from and very customizable.



I have several versions of the 1911; the one I like to shoot the most is made by Charles Daily. Looked like this when I bought it:



It looks very different now. I compete with the Daily the most because it has never jammed on me.

My Kimber compact carry is my very favorite all around hand gun.


I'd suggest that you go to a gun store and look at what they have and talk to the people that work there. Also, if you have a range that rents, try out anything that looks good to you before you buy. Nothing worse than spending a lot of money on a weapon that you are uncomfortable shooting.

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Depends entirely on what you want it to do, your taste, and your budget.
I have a Browning High power that I love, I got it used from a guy that never took care of it so it was packed with crud and wouldn't go through a mag without jamming, once I got it cleaned it's functioned flawlessly through hundreds of rounds.

Amy has a Star Firestar that she loves, we looked long and hard before finding something she liked, it's basicly a scaled down Browning that shoots beautifully but unfortunately they went out of business.

We both prefer the old style exposed hammer and the feel of real steel so these work for us.
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Get a Taurus PT-92. I had one and put thousands of rounds through it with no jams and you can get good deals on them. This gun preceeded the Beretta 92F, Taurus sold dies to Beretta and now you have two brands almost identical.
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I'll have to second the charles daly, I have one also and it has been a very reliable and comfortable gun, and if you want to upgrade, there's no other pistol I know of that has as many aftermarket parts to increase accuracy/shootability/fun/looks. Heyu, it IS like a wrangler! It's also by far my favorite pistol to shoot.
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Got a few, but my fav in my Springfield 1911-a1. Very well made and accurate. My Glock 32(357 sig) comes in a close second. I prefer 45's.
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There are also revolvers. Before I got my Star, my favorite shooter was my Smith & Wesson model 10 .38 special.

It can really do a number on a rolling coffee can at 25 yards and is a lot of fun.


The best thing for you to do, to choose a pistol for yourself, is handle as many different guns as you can. See which ones feel the best in your hand. Then, go to a range that'll let you rent guns and try out the ones you like, to see what feels best to you.

As far as 9mm vs .45, that can turn into a huge debate. Best thing is to see what feels best to you.

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Now if you want something just for fun, I bought one of these last year:



Its a Beretta U22 NEOS. Its buckets of fun and you can shoot 1000 rounds of .22lr for about the same price as 50 .45acp.
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First off, what are you planning on using the pistol for? Is it strictly a plinker (recreational shooting), competition, home defense, or as a concealed cary piece? All of those are huge factors in your decision. A plinker can be big and heavy, but if you are planning on carrying the gun, big and heavy are bad.

Second, don't listen to anyone who tells you the 9mm is inadequate. They are usually use the size of the round they carry to compensate for some sort of anatomical deficiency (that's a joke - no wadded panties please).

The 9mm is a great round and a good choice for a beginning shooter. It is much less expensive than the .40 or .45, and ammo cost is a big consideration for a relatively new shooter (to get good at shooting you will have to actually fire the pistol - dry fire practice will only get you so far). Also, the 9mm has light recoil, it relatively quiet. I think more people develope a flinch because of noise than recoil in most cases. And contrary to popular internet myth, the 9mm is just about as effective as the .45 in actual shootings with good ammo (well-designed factory hollow points that are specifically designed for self defense).

This is not a knock against the .45 - I have one and feel well armed with it when I carry it - I just don't buy into the hype that it's the end-all manstopper it made out to be. I've seen to many people shot with it and just about every other caliber you can think of, so I know better. Pistols generally suck at stopping people, and the three most important factors in stopping an attacker are shot placement, shot placement, and shot placement. A distant fourth is the will or psychological state of the person being shot. Caliber is somewhere down the list.

I have had poor luck with 1911's - all three that I have owned were less than reliable no matter what I did. Not to say that there are not great 1911's out there - but you usually pay a lot for it. I have used Glocks, Berettas, Sigs, HKs, XDs, blah blah blah. Suffice it to say I have fired most of the popular pistols out there in just about every caliber you can think of. Right now, there are lots of great choices. I have settled on the Glock for work since it is such a durable, simple and reliable system. It has been around for decades and is the most popular pistol with LE agencies for a reason - it works and is relatively inexpensive. I have used a Glock in one of the two shootings I've been in at work, and it worked when it needed to (my skin thanks ole Gaston). I have also never had a malfunction with any of the glocks I carry, nor have I seen any with the Glocks on the range since we switched to them.

Some do not like the grip angle - the XD solves this problem. They are very good, reliable pistols. Sigs are very good, but a little pricier. They also usually come with the DA/SA trigger which is a bit more difficult to master. The Ruger is reliable and inexpensive, but the ergos leave a lot to be desired. HK is OK, but IMHO not worth the extra cost of the pistol and mags compared to its contemporaries. The Beretta is huge, but reliable with factory mags. I don't like the safety setup on this gun.

Probably the best thing you can do is go to a range that rents pistols, and try everything you can. Beg and borrow from friends. And for heaven's sake, take some sort of class and learn to shoot responsibly. Don't be one of those guys who gives shooters a bad rap.

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And for heaven's sake, take some sort of class and learn to shoot responsibly. Don't be one of those guys who gives shooters a bad rap.
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Lots of great information and advice SPDSNYPR. You carry for a living and are probably the best one here to offer advice on this subject.

I agree that when you are talking about stopping power, a .22 and a .45 have about the same if you can't hit your target. That being said, if I were ever to find myself in a firefight, I'd rather have my .45. Not because I'm compensating for something, but rather because I'm a better shot with it than I am with either of my 9s. (For some strange reason, I'm consistently better with a 1911 framed .45 than with a 1911 framed .380)

I found your point about ammo cost interesting. I pay about the same for 9mm as I do for .45acp. (I mostly reload my own .45, but I still buy from time to time.) I'm also curious as to what made your 3 1911s "less than reliable"? I've never found a semi-auto handgun that was simpler and more reliable. I dropped one in the mud once halfway through a stage during an IDPA competition, picked it up and finished the stage without problems (other than the penalty for dropping my weapon).

I'm not arguing any of the points you made. You offer excellent advice. //Thanks.
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Where do you get .45? we're paying $12 per 100 for Winchester white box at Wally World.
The price is the main reason I went 9mm, .45 costs far more than 9mm everywhere I've looked and I'm a cheap bugger that likes to practice.
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I carry everyday.( except when I am at work, against Fire dept regs.) I carry a Springfield XD 9mm, sub compact. I really like it. I find that it fits my hand better than my glock. So far I have put about 1500 rounds through it. I Got it at Christmas, and I like to shoot. I also own several other pistols. Glock 19 service model 9mm. Sub nose .38 Old Charter arms. .38 SW 4 in barrel. My friends and I shoot quite often. Anything from .22 to 40 to 357. I will keep the 9mm. Not a lot of recoil, low noise, small and compact. If you are carrying for self defense, remember it's not the cailiber it's shot placement and death by mulitple holes!. I know it sounds sick and dementied but if it's between him/her and me and my family it will be them. Like some of the others said go shoot other guns you might find one that you like better than others. Good luck and safe shooting
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Where do you get .45? we're paying $12 per 100 for Winchester white box at Wally World.
The price is the main reason I went 9mm, .45 costs far more than 9mm everywhere I've looked and I'm a cheap bugger that likes to practice.
WalMart near us does not sell pistol ammo, so I don't know their prices. I buy most of my ammo at Turner's. I mostly shoot FIOCCHI brand. (I like the brass for reloading.) A box of .45 goes on sale for $10.99 (50), 9mm is usually $10.49(50). If I'm don't want to have to worry about picking up brass, I shoot CCI blazer. They go on sale for $8.99 for either .45 or 9mm. (50)

If you really want to save money on ammo, start reloading your own. You can get everything you need to get started on e-bay for less than $100. Powder, primers, and bullets are not that expensive. Costs me the same to reload .45 as it does 9mm.
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Unlimited, all 3 of my 1911's were just nightmares. 2 were springfields and one was a Colt. All had FTF's and FTE's constantly with factory ammo. I chased the demons in them all the time, trying feed ramp polishing, different mags, extractor swaps, spring swaps. I just never got what I was looking for, which was 100% reliability. Of course, this was more than 10 years ago, and maybe the market has policed itself. I am kinda of the opinion that for awhile at least, they started sacrificing reliability in 1911s for accuracy. Hopefully QC has gotten better. I just hated trading one 1911 in for another and having to deal with the same issues over and over. Plus, I once swapped stories with another cop who got into a gunfight with a guy with an SKS (me and the other guy were guest speakers at a gunfight survivors seminar). This cop had just traded in his Glock for a 1911, and during his very small window of opportunity to shoot the BG who was trying to kill him, he forgot to disengage the safety on his 1911 (a combo of extreme stress and lack of familiarity). He got shot 3 times for his efforts and spent a year learning how to walk again. Watching that video made a hell of an impression on me - no matter what you use, make sure you know how to use it without thinking, and make sure it's 100% reliable. Luckily, the video I had was the "how it looks when it goes right" variety.

And to answer the ammo question, well - everywhere. I usually use Black Hills or Speer ammo (which I buy a case at a time), but just about anywhere I go for practice ammo, .45 is always more expensive by a good margin over 9mm. Of course, I really only buy ammo for the .45 anyway (I get free 9mm and .357 sig ammo just about anytime I want - this job has its perks sometimes).

And I agree with tiny - the OP has got to fix the title.
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lol, i just noticed the typo in the title.

i've got several friends that work at the local range where they rent pistols and several other friends that will let me try theirs out. price of ammo is no factor. i know a guy that will give me re-loads at cost. it will be mainly for home protection and as my hunting sidearm (you never know) but also for some plinking. i dont want a .22, so thats out. i want a 9mil then eventaully get a .45

i talked a buddy of mine at the indoor range earlier and he said springfield has a new one out that is awesome. my price range is $300 - $500
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Unlimited, all 3 of my 1911's were just nightmares. 2 were springfields and one was a Colt. All had FTF's and FTE's constantly with factory ammo. I chased the demons in them all the time, trying feed ramp polishing, different mags, extractor swaps, spring swaps. I just never got what I was looking for, which was 100% reliability. Of course, this was more than 10 years ago, and maybe the market has policed itself. I am kinda of the opinion that for awhile at least, they started sacrificing reliability in 1911s for accuracy. Hopefully QC has gotten better. I just hated trading one 1911 in for another and having to deal with the same issues over and over...
Wow, I've never owned a Springfield 1911 so I can't speek to that. I've never had a problem with my Colt. It's a Gold Cup from 1979, quality may have been different then. I don't shoot it much anymore because it has some real Ivory grips on it. They look pretty, but not so good to hold on to. And I'd hate it if they were to get broken. I'm very impressed with the Kimber line. I have had three of them and each one is a pleasure to shoot. I have a few customs that I have built over the years, lots of fun to build, but I just didn't do so well with them in competition. The best one I've owned is my Charles Daily. Paid $199 for it from a range that ordered it for a guy who couldn't pass background. I've done a lot of work on it and it shoots like a dream. I put 3000 rounds through it one weekend without cleaning. It never complained. Another thing, I've found that many gun problems can be solved with a new mag. I only use Chip McCormick shooting star mags.


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Plus, I once swapped stories with another cop who got into a gunfight with a guy with an SKS (me and the other guy were guest speakers at a gunfight survivors seminar). This cop had just traded in his Glock for a 1911, and during his very small window of opportunity to shoot the BG who was trying to kill him, he forgot to disengage the safety on his 1911 (a combo of extreme stress and lack of familiarity). He got shot 3 times for his efforts and spent a year learning how to walk again. Watching that video made a hell of an impression on me - no matter what you use, make sure you know how to use it without thinking, and make sure it's 100% reliable. Luckily, the video I had was the "how it looks when it goes right" variety...
Holy Cr@p! Just proves that the best gun in the world wont shoot by itself. Sorry to hear about that guy, anyone can freeze in that sort of situation. Training and familiarity are key elements. I used to compete in IDPA competitions, once you started a stage there was very little time to think. It was all reflex. Every now and then just for fun, we would run a stage with an unfamilure weapon.

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And I agree with tiny - the OP has got to fix the title.
Ignore her.... She's just being a whiner today.....
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You only have, I think, 15 minutes after posting, to edit your posts. Tiny and SPDSNYPR will just have to deal with.
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I like snypr's advice on trying a bunch of different guns before you buy I also settled on the glock 9mm platform for cheap practice , reliability, durability,ease of maintenance and parts availability. ( I have 2 glock 19's and a bag of spare parts for them ) You can change out anything on the gun w/ a 3/32 punch. A 1911 is great to have for the collection but often needs a little tinkering to get 100%. There's tons of different manufacturers out there try a bunch figure out what fits you best. buy quality and practice . 3 requirements for stopping power are shot placement, shot placement, and shot placement. Enjoy !
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I have my concealed carry permit and I've been an officer at a local Fish & Game Association where we have ranges and teach youth and adults. I agree with all of the safety first issues previously addressed in this thread!

Now, all of that being said, I prefer my Smith & Wesson Model 686 revolver over my other handguns. Mine is a .357, stainless steel, with a 6" barrel. This revolver is very solid and reliable, even in adverse environmental conditions. (I believe some branches of the U.S. Special Forces have the 686 in their "tool kits".) Yeah, I know it isn't a high capacity gun like some of those already mentioned here, but it is very accurate and powerful. (I prefer to shoot once and make it count as opposed to shooting a lot and crossing my fingers!)

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wish I could afford a Kimber! I have never had a problem with my $139.00 HiPoint .45. Although it is not my carry gun. I have also a Bersa .380 that I carry, but my favorite is my SW .38, just too bulky! If you can hit what you point at.... who needs to have 15 rds? (my ruger is waaay to heavy)
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Someone being attacked by more than 6 people maybe?
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In addition to trying different guns, try shooting them different ways.

When I got my carry permit, I had mainly shot Single Action or Double Action/Single Action triggers, but I decided to try a Double Action Only handgun. It had about an 8 pound trigger with a long pull, but I was able to shoot it (slow fire) reasonably accurately after some practice. I then decided to follow the advice of a coworker and setup multiple targets (paperplates on cardboard boxes) at varying distances from about 5 to 7 yards. The idea was to have enough targets that I could put two rounds in each target, reload, then put two more rounds in each target, shooting as quickly as I thought I could do so with enough accuracy to hit the targets. With the DAO trigger (which some of the local stores were pushing as 'the only type to carry'), I managed to put only two shots on targets, out of two 10 round mags. Most of the rest were in the dirt in front of the boxes holding the targets. I then tried the Makarov (DA/SA trigger) I had used for the carry class and qualification. With two 8 round mags, I had 15 shots on targets, and one within an inch or so of the edge of a target. Then I tried my Charles Daly 1911 (SA trigger), which I hadn't had for very long and had never fired anything other than slow fire. Two 8 round mags, 15 shots on target, one shot on the edge of a target. I couldn't believe I had done that well with the 1911, so I did it again, with nearly identical results (I think the missed shots were the first ones after each reload). I never carried the DAO again.

Another thing some people don't seem to think about, is the holster. If you intend to carry, try out a holster by wearing it with an unloaded (or at least an empty chamber) gun for an entire day around the house. I had a cheap inside-the-waistband holster flip and drop the gun on the floor, when I unfastened my pants in the bathroom. Not when I dropped my pants, when I unfastened them. That holster got tossed in the trash.

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