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Old 03-27-2009, 03:32 PM   #1
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Police 'embarrassed' after NFL player detained as relative dies - USATODAY.com

Does anyone else agree with me in that the cop was just doing his job? He may have taken it a little far after the nurse came out of the hospital, but I am certain that by that time he was a little pissed that the NFL star wasn't listening to him.

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thats a weird one. i'd like to know more of the story. sounds like the cop was a little too hard, and enjoying his power....BUT, you don't ignore what an officer tells you, and you don't get out of your car, and if he tells you to get in your car, you do it. and if you aren't co-operating, expect an officer to pull his gun. they put their lives in danger every day, they don't have any room to guess if someone is logical or not.

the only thing weird is that the department seems to be hanging the cop out to dry, which isn't normal if he acted even close to appropriate.

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I can see both sides on this issue. I understand the cop had every right to do what he did when someone isn't cooperating with him but I can't say I would have done it the same way. I feel that the police officer should have showed a bit of compassion and let them have their moment. That is what I would have done. In the end the cop didn't do anything wrong, he was just doing his job, even though it was a bit heartless.
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the only thing weird is that the department seems to be hanging the cop out to dry, which isn't normal if he acted even close to appropriate.
I'll bet behind closed doors he is just getting some paid time off and will be back to work soon. The PD is probably just saying what the press and community want to hear so things will settle down and it all blows over. Then its business as usual.
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People constantly say their family member is dying, they are dying, their wife is in labor to get out of a ticket and it's almost always BS....So what should the cop do... let off every lying idiot? Then it would just get worse. Add in to that some huge NFL player (many of whom are gang members straight out of the getto) and big as a house. You get to pick....everyone who lies with a good excuse gets off or no one gets off. You can't judge him on the fact that she really was dying, because that is almost never really the case.

Imagine if 95% of the people you delt with every day lied to you. He could have signed a ticket and gone in the hospital faster than arguing with the officer and getting detained. He might have even hade it in time then.

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People constantly say their family member is dying, they are dying, their wife is in labor to get out of a ticket and it's almost always BS....So what should the cop do... let off every lying idiot? Then it would just get worse. Add in to that some huge NFL player (many of whom are gang members straight out of the getto) and big as a house. You get to pick....everyone who lies with a good excuse gets off or no one gets off. You can't judge him on the fact that she really was dying, because that is almost never really the case.
I don't think he could have cared less whether or not he got a ticket, he just wanted to get into the hospital, and they were already at the hospital so their story was easily verifiable. He could have escorted them into the hospital. Now I do understand what your saying about what police officers go through everyday. I've done my homework. BUT...you can't judge one persons story against everyone elses. Don't take this as "the cop was wrong" because he wasn't. He had the right to do what he did based on the circumstances BUT... as a human he COULD have given them the benefit of the doubt and went into the hospital with them to check their story out.

And the cop does not deserve what he is getting right now.
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I can see both sides of the issue
but I really do feel bad for the football player, the cop could have handled the situation differently (although same goes for the football player)
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Having been on the other side I have to disagree and I invite you each to go on a ride-along with your local police department. I assure you it will be an eye openning experience.
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Having been on the other side I have to disagree and I invite you each to go on a ride-along with your local police department. I assure you it will be an eye openning experience.
I've been on a number of em. With both city and county PD. If I get out of the military it is to be a cop. I almost had to grab the shotgun one night. Cop was about to get jumped. Scarey. But that's a story for another day.

They both could have handled it different and 4Jeepn it does sound like he was power trippin a bit.
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I think the cop overreacted to the situation due to the guy not stopping, once he found out the reasoning he should have backed down and been more helpful. Both seem to be justified but I can't believe the media is making the cop out to be a "bad guy". From what I can tell he was doing his job, and got a little pissed the guy didn't stop and didn't listen.
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Having been on the other side I have to disagree and I invite you each to go on a ride-along with your local police department. I assure you it will be an eye openning experience.
I've had plenty of experience with police officers and the element they deal with.
Once an officer starts viewing everyone they come in contact with as a suspect rather than a citizen then it's time to move on to a new occupation in my opinion.
This officer had plenty of opportunity to verify the mans story and turn the event into a positive experience for that citizen rather than one more hellish reason to distrust cops. Unfortunately he felt his authority was more important than the citizens family. That is an unacceptable attitude.
When you hold as much power to destroy someones life as a police officer holds, you have a great responsibility to make absolutely certain you use that power appropriately.
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Wasn't going to respond to this thread.... But as Joe has stated unless you actually are in the position and i promise you anyone who is in LE has had the family excuse used on them more than once. And no you don't judge everybody on this but you do tend to be a little more skeptical when hearing it. Given the circumstance one being the recent officer shootings and two by them running the red light and three not complying with officer commands and family members jumping out of the vehicle. Most of you are never going to understand
the Officers actions and don't expect you to so lets just sit back and see how it's handled.
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You don't get it. It's not about authority...it's about safety. Lets say you try to stop someone and they just won't stop (that's a felony). Then when they do stop, they hop out of the car instead of putting their hands up. The officer is now on high alert, not knowing if they just killed someone, robbed somebody or have a gun. Then one passanger starts to get crazy to distract the officer. These are all HUGE warning signs for us. Why you ask? You can ask any one of the 4 dead cops in Oakland, CA killed this week. It all started with a routine traffic stop of a black guy who didn't like the police much. We'll I guess it's too late to ask them about it. I personally care much more about going home alive than being nice to people who refuse to obey the common sense commands given during a traffic stop. It's funny how people dislike the police until really bad stuff happenes, then they hide behind them yelling, "help me." I have no doubt that same officer in a different situation would lay down his very life to protect that football player and his whole family. Just my $.02
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I don't dislike police at all. This isn't about liking or disliking police.

This guys story was easily verifiable since they were sitting in the hospital parking lot.
Once the story was verified the cop still didn't back off proving he was on a power trip.
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In most situations I would take the officers side, but in this situation, I think he was way out of line.
the guy put on his flashers, and was in the hospital parking lot, I understand cops have to deal with bs everyday, and never which punk they pull over might be dangerous, but in this situation, the man was in the hospital parking lot, with his wife, his story was verified, all the cop had to do was make him surrender his id, and stay in the parking lot and resolve the situation later, hell he even could have escorted the man into the hospital if he felt so inclined. LEO's are supposed to protect and serve, and while I have a tremendous amount of respect for these guys, some of them forget the serve part.
As for the players reaction, I have to be honest, if I had been in that situation, with a family member literally dying just steps away, I wouldn't have been as cool as he was, I would probably have gotten taken to jail while trying to enter the hospital.

also, put yourself in this mans shoes, alot of you guys are looking at it from the perspective of the officer, but what if your mother was lying in the hospital dying, and all your were attempting to do was get in to see her, would you have sat there while the officer screwed around for 15 min while you mother died?
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In the real word things often don't work that way. Here's a real word example. I try to do a traffic stop. The suspect fails to stop for over 1 mile. He finally pulls over and says his wife (lady in the car with him) is sick and he's going to the hospital with her. He tries to get out of the car with her and walk away despite our commands. Officers use force to take them into custody. They both scream "police brutality", "Rodney King!" as they are arrested. The car turns out to be stolen. They arn't married. Both the man and woman have fake ID's, multiple stolen credit cards and both have felony warrants for their arrests for identity theft, burglary and parole violation. This is real. It happens every day and you will obviously never understand. I could tell hundreds of real world stories like this. It seems many enjoy the protection others provide without contemplating the trade off for that protection. Having a family member who is a cop, a friend who is a cop, watching COPS or CSI does not make you a cop or understand police work any more than passing high school math makes you an accountant.
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I am still newer on here, but I agree with JoeDirt on everything except the statement that having family members who are Police doesn't make you understand. I grew up and have taken part in different situations, I more than understand.

Brest Cancer for this lady didn"t happen overnight remember, they all knew she was dying, probably for a couple months, and probably had plently of time to get to the hospital. It didn't say when she originally went to the hospital, she could have been there and they were just getting around to seeing her! He is not an ambulance, he had no right to not obey the laws.

For the officer, just from the actions taken by the player would be cause for suspiscion, I imagine he was also speeding and breaking other traffic laws. This would put him on alert especially when he made no intention to pull over right away. Once stopped, it doesn't say when the story was verified, it says at one point the ticket was being written. The excuse it overused just as women say, "oh, I'm leaking" or a guy throws water on his pants; point being you can't trust it. When people get out of the car and do not obey orders again, this officer, already on alert due to how he was driving, is put into and increased level of alert between recent situations and this groups actions. If one then goes and argues with him, he will respond in a defensive manner because at that point it is his personal safety that is at risk. He didn't know for sure on anything, and had every right to be on high alert with gun drawn, especially when even the insurance was being denied to him. It sounds like the player and his family were hostile and non-compliant and the officer was acting in a way to try and keep himself alive had something not panned out.
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I just watched the dash camera video.
I don't know what your background is, or where you live, but in the 1st few minutes as the wife walked away from the car against the offiers orders, and the driver failed to comply, and no one complied with his demands, force would have been used to arrest them for obstruction of justice and felony evading in the big city. EVERY cop I know would have done the same. They are LUCKY the whole lot of them didn't eat the taser. I can't believe how people are defending this. Since when do you commit a crime and then just get to walk away? This is not a traffic ticket...These people should have been arrested immediately! Who cares if the offier got mad...They are lucky they're not all sitting in jail. What if thar reckless driving resulted in him running over a kid...would it still be OK? My biggest concern is that the officer failed to control them all in the first minute of the stop. That kind of failure could get him killed.
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I'm going to curtail my rage a little. I work in a big violent city where people die nightly. I chase and fight gangsters daily and I don't have the luxury to be nice to people who don't comply with my orders. However, I don't know squat about Plano,TX, or what kind of people and officers live their, so I'm done.
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if i was the cop.. i would of led him to the hospital..

if i found out he was lying about running the stop sign for the reason he stated.. i would of gave him a ticket..

i was a kid once and my neighbor broke his arm.. his mom had me and him jump in the car and she had a cop follow her to ER bc she was speeding and didnt stop.. when he realized where we were going he left
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Joe dirt you are 100 percent correct. The guy and wife are very lucky they didn't eat the taser.
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if i was the cop.. i would of led him to the hospital..

if i found out he was lying about running the stop sign for the reason he stated.. i would of gave him a ticket..

i was a kid once and my neighbor broke his arm.. his mom had me and him jump in the car and she had a cop follow her to ER bc she was speeding and didnt stop.. when he realized where we were going he left
well that is different you actually had the kid with you and he could see the actual issue at hand some guy yelling hey so and so is dieing that is why I was speeding. Hell when my cuz died in a car accident her siste was speeding to the hospital on the 15n going to murrieta. She got pulled over and my aunt is a sherriff for SD county had to call the highway patrol to tell her that she was not lieing. She still got the ticket mailed to her but got a escort to the hospital.
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I think that says it all....
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I think that says it all....
Police chief's are political and say what sounds good for the media. If he backed his guy, that would shock me.

I saw Florence, KY has a population of 27,200 people and I now understand your view. Bad things rarely happen in small towns like that and people seem to know each other. Cops are friendly because they can be. Cops in my city have a ratio of 1 cop on duty to 22,500 people. In your city that would rate you one cop per shift!

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