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Old 12-14-2008, 09:40 AM   #1
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this is not out of my paranoia, or hatred for obama.

my lovely home state of illinois has obviously turned out some wonderful amounts of corruption in its political system.

sec of state george ryan is in jail. tony resco and so on.

gov. rod blagojovich is now indicted, and released on bail. caught saying he'll sell the senate seat, which obama just vacated. (so the man responsible to fill obama's spot, is a crook.)
rod had somewhere around $100,000 remodeling done to his house, with no receipts, his street was the only area not to have real estate taxes go up.

jesse jackson jr. caught most likely wanting to buy the seat obama just vacated.

and the list of the other people involved is ongoing, and long. sec of state, and so on.

my question is this, how does obama have nothing to do with this??? how are you around and in such a corrupt system, and be squeaky clean???? i watched him run for senator, before he started running no one knew who he was. he was literally a nobody. he wins the senate seat, does nothing and now moves on to president in a matter of a few years. is this strange to anyone else?

and get this, hilary clinton campaign organizer was interviewed, and said when hilary was determing what state to run in, she said they steered clear of chicago due to the corruption and they didn't want anything to do with this mest up system, so she obviously ended up in new york. so this corruption has been going on for a long time.

how can obama be so close to these people, working with, for, and in charge of so much corruption, and be clean? if you lay down with pigs right?

this is not naive either, i believe all politics are corrupt to a point. but i've never seen a dozen or so elected officials in, or almost guaranteed to be in jail. that is some serious crap. i'm a little worried about our president elect.

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Your question seems mostly rhetorical, so I don't think it needs answered.

I've felt for many months, that Obama being elected would be the worst thing for this country. Now I feel the only thing worse would be him being involved with scandalous activities prior to even taking office. I disagree w/ 90% of the words that come out of that mans mouth, but this country needs a leader right now and I hope that he does stay clean.

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well i guess my question in all my rambling was does anyone find this strange? and does anyone think he's a clean politician in all of this?
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I've never thought he was a clean politician. There's plenty of evidence available to show the types of people he likes to associate with and the way he got started.
I've spent too much time in shitcago to think any politician coming out that cesspool could ever be clean.
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Hey, now at least the fact that he never actually served as senator in that cesspool of corruption is a plus.
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Hey, now at least the fact that he never actually served as senator in that cesspool of corruption is a plus.
good point, he's ok then.
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good point, he's ok then.
Hey hey that's taking it a bit far. I will offer up this however..... Jesus hung with the dregs of society. Look how well he did - millions of followers and a book deal.


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Hey hey that's taking it a bit far. I will offer up this however..... Jesus hung with the dregs of society. Look how well he did - millions of followers and a book deal.


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isnt jesse jackson jr a republican?
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Are all the "problems" in the scandal democrats or does it just cut across the board?
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Are all the "problems" in the scandal democrats or does it just cut across the board?
well if you're asking about illinois specifically then its all democrats, but there's no such thing as an elected republican in illinois. i'm exagerating a little. but chicago controls the whole state, so its all democrats.
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No, that was Martin Luther King Jr.
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Is everyone involved democrat? I haven't been keeping up on it, but I assume it's quite deep and has a long history from what I've read (and I'm a little surprised at that.)
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IIRC one of the governors that did time was a republican.
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No, that was Martin Luther King Jr.
i was watching msnbc last night and during the speech jesse jackson jr gave msnbc had " R Jesse Jackson JR. " under the video clip
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could of stood for retard?..... i also think obama has got to have some knowledge of whats going on. unless he's that oblivous. theres know way you can be around all that corruption for an extended period of time, and not know about it. it'd be like saying you've been friends with 5 guys for 4 years, and all 5 of them are invlolved with the same gang, but you never knew anything about it, again, if you lay with pigs....

but as someone else said, this country needs a leader right now. and as much as i dislike the guy and his opinions. we cant afford to have him be a screw up. it'd be great for him to be a miserable failure so next time someone with his views and beliefs runs we can all say "remember last time", but honestly, if he becaomes a miserable failure, so will this country. things are going downhill, and fast. someones got to stop it. i just wish it wasnt him
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Hey hey that's taking it a bit far. I will offer up this however..... Jesus hung with the dregs of society. Look how well he did - millions of followers and a book deal.


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You should do some research on how Obama got that seat.
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this is not out of my paranoia, or hatred for obama.

my lovely home state of illinois has obviously turned out some wonderful amounts of corruption in its political system.

sec of state george ryan is in jail. tony resco and so on.

gov. rod blagojovich is now indicted, and released on bail. caught saying he'll sell the senate seat, which obama just vacated. (so the man responsible to fill obama's spot, is a crook.)
rod had somewhere around $100,000 remodeling done to his house, with no receipts, his street was the only area not to have real estate taxes go up.

jesse jackson jr. caught most likely wanting to buy the seat obama just vacated.

and the list of the other people involved is ongoing, and long. sec of state, and so on.

my question is this, how does obama have nothing to do with this??? how are you around and in such a corrupt system, and be squeaky clean???? i watched him run for senator, before he started running no one knew who he was. he was literally a nobody. he wins the senate seat, does nothing and now moves on to president in a matter of a few years. is this strange to anyone else?

and get this, hilary clinton campaign organizer was interviewed, and said when hilary was determing what state to run in, she said they steered clear of chicago due to the corruption and they didn't want anything to do with this mest up system, so she obviously ended up in new york. so this corruption has been going on for a long time.

how can obama be so close to these people, working with, for, and in charge of so much corruption, and be clean? if you lay down with pigs right?

this is not naive either, i believe all politics are corrupt to a point. but i've never seen a dozen or so elected officials in, or almost guaranteed to be in jail. that is some serious crap. i'm a little worried about our president elect.

Can't be any more corrupt than the "oil barron" G.W. Bush
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i was watching msnbc last night and during the speech jesse jackson jr gave msnbc had " R Jesse Jackson JR. " under the video clip
that might be rev. jesse jackson jr. i don't know how to spell reverand.

and tell me how many people around bush are in jail for blatant corruption.
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I've never thought he was a clean politician.

Oxymoron to the nth degree!!!
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Jesse Jackson, Jr. is a democrat.
Jesse Jackson, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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thats great. they talk about it right there, obama, rod, and jj jr.

like i said, clean politician is an oxymoron, but this is rediculous.

oh yeah, at least bush was never impeached
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G.W. also never had an extramarital affair while holding the highest position in the land...
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G.W. also never had an extramarital affair while holding the highest position in the land...
lets not forget sexual harrassment, and abuse of power with that harrassment.
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Manchurian Candidate anyone?
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I think that america was wanting a change from the hole that we were dug into so badly that they would have gone for anyone that wasnt in the same party as bush.
Atleast nixon wont be in the "most hated president" club all by himself now...lol
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I think that america was wanting a change from the hole that we were dug into so badly that they would have gone for anyone that wasnt in the same party as bush.
Atleast nixon wont be in the "most hated president" club all by himself now...lol
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