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Old 01-14-2013, 04:24 PM   #1
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President's press conference this morning

Regardless of your party affiliation, is it appropriate for the POTUS to state that he will NOT negotiate with congress on national television? I know Congress has been the red-headed stepchild in this whole debt ceiling debacle, but our government is about compromise and negotiations between the different branches. Isn't that what the whole checks and balances system was designed for? My opinion is obviously that the debt ceiling shouldn't be extended to infinity, spending has to be controlled.
Did anyone else find this unsettling?

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He should be jailed and exiled from thr US for treason. Nothing but a liar over and over, as well as a my way or the highway.

Also, he hides laws and regulations in bills to pass them under the radar using executive orders..

Good thing is spending and economic decisions must come from the house.

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At least he is being honest... Would it be better to waste everyone's time by "pretending" to negotiate.
Doesn't the US have a policy concerning negotiating with terrorists? Lately it seems to me that is exactly what congress has become. They scare the crap out of everyone one, declare war against the opposing party and hold all of us hostage.
Wait till we hear about the weapons ban. THAT is when the crap will really hit the fan.
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At least he is being honest... Would it be better to waste everyone's time by "pretending" to negotiate.
Doesn't the US have a policy concerning negotiating with terrorists? Lately it seems to me that is exactly what congress has become. They scare the crap out of everyone one, declare war against the opposing party and hold all of us hostage.
Wait till we hear about the weapons ban. THAT is when the crap will really hit the fan.
Our whole government is a fraud. Our private "federal bank" should be illegal. Our only true government is state and local level usually.
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At least he is being honest... Would it be better to waste everyone's time by "pretending" to negotiate.
Doesn't the US have a policy concerning negotiating with terrorists? Lately it seems to me that is exactly what congress has become. They scare the crap out of everyone one, declare war against the opposing party and hold all of us hostage.
Wait till we hear about the weapons ban. THAT is when the crap will really hit the fan.
That's my point. Congress is not a terrorist group....it is a KEY BRANCH of the government. Just because it goes in opposition to the president does not mean it is a rogue, terrorist group. Those "terrorists" were voted in by Americans to stand for their principles and political ideologies. Congress has stated they are willing to talk, Obama has no intention of compromising at all....that's when NOTHING gets done.
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At least he is being honest... Would it be better to waste everyone's time by "pretending" to negotiate.
Doesn't the US have a policy concerning negotiating with terrorists? Lately it seems to me that is exactly what congress has become. They scare the crap out of everyone one, declare war against the opposing party and hold all of us hostage.
Wait till we hear about the weapons ban. THAT is when the crap will really hit the fan.
Now that is true my friend. Things are going to get real ugly, real fast...

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I dont think we have seen anything yet. Things are going to get a lot worse.
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I watched the press conference and what I believe the President was saying is that the debt ceiling should not be held hostage and possibly shot (in the form of a government shut down) by Congress just so they can try to force him to sign off on cutting a trillion dollars from Social Security and Medicaid while leaving corporate tax loopholes and subsidies intact. He thinks they should raise the debt ceiling to deal with the immediate crisis, then talk about spending cuts.

I don't see how anyone can 100% blame one party or the other when both are clearly at fault. Two more years until the midterm elections, so I guess we can expect at least two more years of gridlock.
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I watched the press conference and what I believe the President was saying is that the debt ceiling should not be held hostage and possibly shot (in the form of a government shut down) by Congress just so they can try to force him to sign off on cutting a trillion dollars from Social Security and Medicaid while leaving corporate tax loopholes and subsidies intact. He thinks they should raise the debt ceiling to deal with the immediate crisis, then talk about spending cuts.

I don't see how anyone can 100% blame one party or the other when both are clearly at fault. Two more years until the midterm elections, so I guess we can expect at least two more years of gridlock.
He will.never do spending cuts.

He even said they need more revenue enhancers.. WTF? We are the most taxed nation, and they need more. But we cant be the ones to pay down our debt according to obama, yet we are
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I watched the press conference and what I believe the President was saying is that the debt ceiling should not be held hostage and possibly shot (in the form of a government shut down) by Congress just so they can try to force him to sign off on cutting a trillion dollars from Social Security and Medicaid while leaving corporate tax loopholes and subsidies intact. He thinks they should raise the debt ceiling to deal with the immediate crisis, then talk about spending cuts.

I don't see how anyone can 100% blame one party or the other when both are clearly at fault. Two more years until the midterm elections, so I guess we can expect at least two more years of gridlock.
Exactly what I said... he wont negotiate with terrorists...
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I don't see how anyone can 100% blame one party or the other when both are clearly at fault.
Yep, I blame 100% of the politicians...regardless of party affiliation.
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We are the most taxed nation, and they need more.
The US is not the most taxed country. Not even in the top 15.
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I had to stop watching it when he started talking about the debt ceiling and said "If the congress wants to give me the power...." Give him more power!? He seems to think his ideas and opinions are to be taken as the only "correct" way to think about things. He doesn't listen us, he doesn't listen to the representatives we elected. To me, he is a very scary man.
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Wait till we hear about the weapons ban. THAT is when the crap will really hit the fan.

NY state senate just went off the deep end on that one

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-guns/1833271/

S2230-2013 - NY Senate Open Legislation - Licensure, suspension and revocation of firearms licenses - New York State Senate
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The thing I had the most trouble with was the President saying that Congress is responsible for every spending program and he simply wants to make sure we pay what congress has previously committed to......while this is technically true is is also very disingenuous. The way it works is Congress drafts the laws, agrees through various processes and then sends them to the President for Approval.....they aren't calling the new Health Care program "Democratically controller Congress Care".....they call it "Obama Care" and he even told us during the Election that he liked that. They also called them the "Bush tax cuts"....again this legislation was created and passed by congress, etc..

Every President has had the chance to veto each and every bill that was sent to him by Congress.....if Presidents don't agree they have the power of the pen......so in essence the only laws that CONGRESS really made, that any president didn't have their fingerprints on, are the ones that he vetoed and Congress subsequently overrode by a 2/3 majority in both houses........and we can count on one hand the number of laws passed in this manner during the past 50 years
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Today is AR-15 build party day... 3 80% lowers will be born as 100% unregistered and legal "hunting rifles".
Outstanding!

Assault Rifles...? What Assault Rifles? I have a carbine or three...
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I love that term "assault weapon." No real meaning, just scary words to described an otherwise normal firearm. The AR-15 is nothing more than a semi auto .223......so yes, many people do use those for hunting. However, because they are black, have pistol grips, and can have magazines that accept more than 10 rounds (uhhhhh, many guns do...) they are inherently evil. People have no understanding of weapons and than propose legislation to control them without any intelligence.
I can't help but laugh in the face of people who use that term because they obviously are ignorant about firearms.
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Well it appears that when the POTUS states he is not negotiating, he truly means it. He just goes ahead and signs executive orders that dont require any discussion at all with Congress.
This is a very slippery slope we are on people... I pray that it is a wake up call to those whom dont already realize that our govt DOES NOT always act in our best interests. They act in the interest of those who scream the loudest, with no concern for those who are on the other side of any discussion.
I hope and pray that the POTUS soon is taught how wrong his actions today were... I for one will never relinquish my weapons, nor register those that have not already been.
Now back to the previously scheduled discussion...
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Well it appears that when the POTUS states he is not negotiating, he truly means it. He just goes ahead and signs executive orders that dont require any discussion at all with Congress.
This is a very slippery slope we are on people... I pray that it is a wake up call to those whom dont already realize that our govt DOES NOT always act in our best interests. They act in the interest of those who scream the loudest, with no concern for those who are on the other side of any discussion.
I hope and pray that the POTUS soon is taught how wrong his actions today were... I for one will never relinquish my weapons, nor register those that have not already been.
Now back to the previously scheduled discussion...
Ditto. Guess I'll just be a "criminal", because I have no intentions of registering anything I have that's not already registered.

There WILL be ramifications for all this. Americans won't stand by and watch our Constitution get raped to fit a political agenda. At least, The Americans around here won't. I can't speak for New York...hahaha...

This is a VERY slippery slope we're on. At what point does it end? Unless there is action by THE PEOPLE, I fear it won't.
I still don't believe there will be any type of gun-grab by our Gov't to disarm its people though. That would be way too dangerous for our Gov't. They'll keep putting the squeeze on us, making it harder and more expensive to buy weapons as well as ammo, because that's what's next you know.
At some point, they'll force us back into the days of single-action revolvers and lever-actions/bolt guns. But that's ok, I have plenty of those too.
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My question is this... How does one go about adhering to their oath of service if it contradicts itself. Here is the oath I took in 1991.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

In my humble opinion, the first and third sentences clearly have proven contradictory today. One cannot defend the constitution against domestic enemies/threats and still obey the orders of the president.

Im gonna stick with, "I am no longer in the USMC", so I am no longer required to do either. If I choose to defend the constitution, I will. If I choose to follow the orders of the president I will...
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My question is this... How does one go about adhering to their oath of service if it contradicts itself. Here is the oath I took in 1991.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

In my humble opinion, the first and third sentences clearly have proven contradictory today. One cannot defend the constitution against domestic enemies/threats and still obey the orders of the president.

Im gonna stick with, "I am no longer in the USMC", so I am no longer required to do either. If I choose to defend the constitution, I will. If I choose to follow the orders of the president I will...
We took the same oath. Guess I'll take a cue from our POTUS and interpret that oath to mean whatever I want it to mean...
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EO's have been happening for a long time, and have prohibited types of guns before.

GHWB is reported to have signed a 1989 EO banning importation of certain "assault rifles without sporting purposes", though I can only find the law, not an EO preceeding the law.

Clinton did this http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/j.../guns_4-6.html

And a few years later

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...#ixzz2I1pDqTkx

My all time favorite is EO is 11110, issued by JFK June 4 1963, less than 6 months before he was assasinated. It declared that the US Treasury had the right to produce United States Notes (US Dollar) without going through the private owned Federal Reserve to buy Federal Reserve Notes (Not a dollar) so long as it was backed by buillion, silver, etc. They did, and the intent was to flood the market with gold & silver backed notes with the effect being nobody would opt for the non-backed currency, putting the Fed out of business. He was killed because he did this (coupled with a couple other things) and immediately the silver 2$ & 5$ bills that had been produced were pulled from circulation, the 10s and 20s were never distributed. Every note since has been a federal reserve note, bought from a private group, and this is why we owe 16T$ and counting. Had we established real money, we would not have been able to balloon our debt like we have.

EO 11110 was never amended, repealed, or retracted. It is still "in force", though every president since JFK has done nothing about it. If you were born after JFK and ever held a US Dollar, it was most likely because of him. Most children born after 2000 will likely never see one, save in a museum or pawn shop.

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