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Old 06-23-2011, 09:53 AM   #1
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Hey everyone, so long story short my brother has decided to go the same route as me and finally got a job as an EMT. This job not only employs him as an EMT but will pay for his Paramedic school, and give him a job as a Paramedic upon completion, and that is very attractive when applying for F.D's. However lucky for him we are leaving for vacation on the 8th to the 22nd of July. They want him to start his training time on the 5th. He was too excited at the time to remember but of course my mother bursted his bubble (aren't mothers good for that).
Every year my family goes on vacation, we are all very close and I agree it is important. He asked me what he should do and I said, he should tell the HR lady what's up, they will probably understand since it is summer time. His worry is that they will find another person if he tells them that.
So, what everyone here do? I'm pretty curious, and want to give him some good advice.

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Old 06-23-2011, 09:56 AM   #2
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Tell him to talk to HR, and also as high up as he can on the chain on command. Tell them his issue with vacation, but offer to stay and miss it if thats what he was to do for the job. More than likely they will see that he is determined to get the job and do whatever it takes, and appreciate that quality. Then let him go and garrentee him the job.

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Old 06-23-2011, 10:09 AM   #3
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Ask the HR person if it is a problem to delay the start until after 22 July. If the answer is "yes" then he reports on 5 July.

All she can say is "its a problem" and then he's got a (no brainer) decision to make.
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If this is what he really wants, it might be a one time deal. The vacation will be there next year. I can tell you if someone was supposed to start for me and then came in with that problem it would make me reconsider them simply for the fact they forgot their planned date....I would prolly move on to the next person. May not be the opinion you want, but business is business
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If this is what he really wants, it might be a one time deal. The vacation will be there next year. I can tell you if someone was supposed to start for me and then came in with that problem it would make me reconsider them simply for the fact they forgot their planned date....I would prolly move on to the next person. May not be the opinion you want, but business is business
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Ask the HR person if it is a problem to delay the start until after 22 July. If the answer is "yes" then he reports on 5 July.

All she can say is "its a problem" and then he's got a (no brainer) decision to make.
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He has to show his determination for the job. In today's economy, he just has to remember one thing.

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x4, get the education,,, vacation's will always be there.


otherwise, he'll wind up like me, old\fat and unemployed
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With any job sacrifices must be made. As an EMT yourself you know that your work schedule supercedes your personal schedule. If he has the opportunity to get this job then it's a no-brainer. Go to the classes as required. In this economy, I would never dream of asking the trainers if I could put it off.
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Old 06-23-2011, 08:44 PM   #9
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so he may bail on a job offer to go on a family vacation?
Seems like a no brainer to me... you have to make sacrifices to succeed.
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I whole heartily agree with all of you. However, our mother basically told him that he can not take the job if they will not let him go. He is only 19 and does still live at home, we were raised to be respectful and with family first values, so it would go against his bones to deny her wishes. I do not think it is right that she give him an ultimatum, but I believe she is going through some kind of depression as the last of her children is growing up and moving out. That is something I will probably never understand, but hey, that's women for you. I told him to ask, as I don't think any real harm can come from just asking. But to not take the job to go on a trip is ridiculous.

Our mother simply states he is young and more opportunities will come, I explained this business is extremely competitive and SMALL. Meaning everyone in the EMS community knows each other and if he sours a relationship it could easily ruin future opportunities.

I can't be crazy for thinking this, right? I think it's time for him to be a man and decide what is best for himself.
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So he should stay around and decline jobs because him Mom doesn't want him to leave? I can't believe this man, and I have a pretty close family. She should be encouraging if anything. Honestly, it seems really selfish of her. And yes, I think he needs to man up.
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Lost mom last year so slightly different perspective-but I also know my mom would have told me to go to school.

He made a mistake-he forgot-and those have consequences-feel bad for him. I would probably start school but try and get "mom" to understand how important it is from "my"/his perspective.
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my ma's a stubborn lady, but she would never have told me to de-rail my career for a flippin' family vacay. Especially a dual-reward (financial and helping people) job like fire/emt.
help your brother out and explain to Mrs. Griswold that in today's economy there are dozens of people ready to leapfrog over your brother if he hesitates, and there might not be a second chance at a life-long career.
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I guess mom's ready for him to live at home when hes 40 then right?
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He's getting a free ride, time to man up. Being family, you should understand. Things are hard out there for a lot of people, tell him don't screw this opportunity up. If I were him, I wouldn't even mention the vacation thing, and just do what I have to do.
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x3 on the take the job, even if it means missing the vacation. My family's put up with my work schedule (I have to work weekends and holidays, and I live out of state) for nine years now, and while it's hard, it's what needed to be done. I have a job I love, but like all things in life, it requires sacrifices. And if I'd turned down the offer when I got it, there's hundreds of people who would have gladly taken my place.

I would have also regretted it for the rest of my life. Trust me, I'm glad I took the offer and I think, from experience, your brother doesn't want to live with the regret that will come if he turns down this once in a lifetime opportunity for a vacation, even if it does irk his mother.

Not to mention, pay for paramedic school? When I went through EMT training, it cost $$ and I bet paramedic is even more expensive. And a guaranteed job at the other end... alright, so I'm not a mother myself, but I know if that was me, my own mother might get pissed at the vacation, but she'd get over it pretty darn quick once her practical side took over.

Free schooling, a guaranteed career that will be of an enormous benefit to the community as a whole, plus learning skills and lessons that will carry your brother throughout his entire life- he'd be crazy not to take the offer.

Take the job. You don't always get second chances and you are not guaranteed another good opportunity like this one, not by a long shot.
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As an employer, I'd let him take his vacation for the next 30 yrs. I rather have somebody who wants a job, wants to work and wants to learn something. To many people to choose from nowadays. I rather have an employee who will value their job.
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If I had school stuff when vacation came around I wasn't allowed to go on vacation.
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Take the Job, vacations will be there next year the offer may not be their when you get back.

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