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Old 03-16-2008, 06:15 PM   #1
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Supreme Court gun-control case could be landmark

to be honest, i dont keep up with these kinda things much, but was just informed about how the supreme court will be making a ruling this week about whether or not CIVILIANS should be allowed to legally own guns anymore! this has me genuinly concerned. im almost as much into guns as i am jeeps. i love shooting them, im going to send in my CCW application this week, and i just simply love guns.

i just hope nothing changes here

heres an article about it

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...control09.html

this sentence pisses me off the most:

The Second Amendment permits reasonable regulation of firearms to protect public safety and does not guarantee individuals the absolute right to own the weapons of their choice,"

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just in addition to my first post, why dont they think about this fact:

when D.C. banned the ownership of handguns, what did crime do? it went UP, not down like them wanted it to.

WHY???

bc ciminals dont give a darn about laws, thats what makes them criminals, so when they found out that fewer people were armed, they did what they do best, and illegally got guns, and committed crimes against people that they KNEW were unarmed

and that was just for handguns! think about what would happen if they do that for ALL guns across the ENTIRE United States

it sounds crazy, but i could just about see, at a MUCH lighter scale however, a civil war over this i know i sound crazy about it, but MANY americans take pride in their guns and the 2nd amendment. probably enough to do something about it, in a drastic sence

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bc ciminals dont give a darn about laws, thats what makes them criminals, so when they found out that fewer people were armed, they did what they do best, and illegally got guns, and committed crimes against people that they KNEW were unarmed
Exactly. I have my CHL and what really pisses me off is all the businesses that post no concealed carry signs. (CPZs - Criminal Protection Zones)
I hand them a letter I wrote basically asking them who they think their sign prevents from entering their bussiness with a concealed gun. Only law abiding citizens who've jumped through all the hoops to get the license. I can't imagine a criminal intent on robbing the place turning around and leaving cuz of a CPZ sign. If anything, he'd feel more confident in his crime.


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Exactly. I have my CHL and what really pisses me off is all the businesses that post no concealed carry signs. (CPZs - Criminal Protection Zones)
I hand them a letter I wrote basically asking them who they think their sign prevents from entering their bussiness with a concealed gun. Only law abiding citizens who've jumped through all the hoops to get the license. I can't imagine a criminal intent on robbing the place turning around and leaving cuz of a CPZ sign. If anything, he'd feel more confident in his crime.



i know what you mean about the CPZs. i bet they will be sorry they did that when some one comes in armed, but armed for the wrong reason they will be sorry some one who has been trained to carry, i.e. ccw holder, wasnt allowed to carry their gun into their store

my friend who is a cop is lucky. he doesnt have to pay any mind to those signs even when off duty
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Molon labe, come and get them. Ban them all you want, im getting sick and tired of being "PC" and having to frolick over tulips to "earn" the right to defend myself with a firearm. This law will only prove how most of their constituents truly feel about the 2nd amendment, not how they THINK we feel.

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Registered guns and CCW permits only leave a paper trail right to your front door. If any guns become outlawed those who have paper trails will be the first to loose them. I'm glad I don't own any guns.
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Yeah, I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident, last summer.
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Registered guns and CCW permits only leave a paper trail right to your front door. If any guns become outlawed those who have paper trails will be the first to loose them. I'm glad I don't own any guns.
That's why you need to have a few "unregistered" ones.

True story: We got our house through an estate sale in the family. We got the house and the contents inside of it. In the closet was a Stevens 30-30, .22 pump, and (2) Parker Brother side-by-sides (circa 1860's). I was concerned about the transfer of ownership so I call the State police.. Their response, "no papaerwork necessary, call the county sheriff to verify". So, I called the county sheriff...same response.

It all depends on what state you live in as to how tight their controls are.
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Yeah, I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident, last summer.
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Yeah, I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident, last summer.
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criminals prefer victims that can't protect themselves. anytime someone gets shot, they say gun control would help. like everyone said, why would criminals abide by that law when they don't care about any others.

if there were people allowed to carry weapons in these recent, tragic, school shootings, the shooters would not have gotten very far, instead, you have thousands of helpless people, that the police can't get to fast enough.

if guns kill people-pencils make me mis-spell words!!
if guns kill people-spoons made rosie o'donnell fat!!!!

my favorite story is about an 80 some odd year old woman, two thugs tried to rob, take her purse, she pulled out a gun and shot one, and the other ran away.
or the old woman that found a burglar in her house, and shot him in the leg, on purpose, not to kill him, and called the cops. i think there was talk of her having wrong doing in that case. whats this world coming to.

our government wants us to be dependent, not independent
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My CCW weapons are registered and "legal" by big brother's standards.

My personal protection "break glass in case of emergency" weapons are not the government's business.
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Thank the liberals for that concept....comrad
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If you're interested in hearing the oral arguments it's supposed to be aired on C-span radio here shortly.
http://www.c-span.org/Radio/web/sche...at=TV&Code=CSR

This is indeed a landmark case, SCOTUS has been dodging second amendment cases for nearly 70 years.
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sometimes i think the only thing gun laws do is restrict law abiding citizens from protecting themselves. criminals could give 2 sh1ts about what the laws are - if they want a gun, they will get one.
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Exactly, and us law abiding citizens that enjoy shooting recreationaly, or don't want to be victims (remember it was proven in a US court of law, that the state and counties are only responsible for the citizens as a WHOLE, not an individual, meaning they can and will prioritize 911 calls etc.) could very will be forced into being criminals. I just truly hope they do not make that mistake. This country was founded on its ability to defend itself, both as a civilization and its private citizens. Not to mention, this is the ONLY modernized country left that even gives citizens the right to at least own the firearms of their choice (for the most part, compared to other countries). I say all these leftist non-2a, pro socialized health care types pack up and move to Canada, Europe, or Australia, and let us keep the US the way it was intended
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That's why you need to have a few "unregistered" ones.

True story: We got our house through an estate sale in the family. We got the house and the contents inside of it. In the closet was a Stevens 30-30, .22 pump, and (2) Parker Brother side-by-sides (circa 1860's). I was concerned about the transfer of ownership so I call the State police.. Their response, "no papaerwork necessary, call the county sheriff to verify". So, I called the county sheriff...same response.

It all depends on what state you live in as to how tight their controls are.
bout the same as OR.

I really don't have to worry about my guns being taken away from me anymore. With that being said... these people need to be shot Why would you take guns away from those who can use them for protection. I hate how these stupid single cell brained one way thinking liberals think that they can come into my house and take my guns that my grandfather handed down to me! I dare them to try, because I may be a cop but they will definately have a fight on their hands.
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Well from all of the news stories I read today it looks like SCOTUS was very much in favor of the term INDIVIDUAL when it comes to the second amendment. Of course we'll have to wait until around July to see the full scope of all of it.
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They were just taliking about this on the nightly news.
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I listened to Dillinger(counsel for DC) and most of Clement(DOJ asshat) before falling asleep, things sounded very good for our cause.
The justices handed Dillinger his ass

Here's a link to the transcript if ya wanna read.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_a...pts/07-290.pdf

Here you can download the proceedings in MP3 format.
http://www.downrange.tv/rkba/dc-v-heller.htm

I highly recommend listening to it. This is history in the making, this case will determine if our constitution still means anything.
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Some have said however, that even if handguns are banned, that those that have them would be protected under a "Grandfather Clause" so I think the idea of them hunting down handguns is slim to none. And even if they did, they couldn't find them all. I have sold a few guns in the past and here in TX title transfer of re registering is not required. So I technically own guns I don't own anymore. And like Amy said, what if the guns were destroyed in an accident or lost. People aren't going to file a police report for a gun that was destroyed would they?
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Call me a concpiracy theorist if you want, but they arent thinkin about us defending ourselves against criminals. They are worried about us defending ourselves against the government. The North American Union is coming. We are slowing being herded by teh media to a point where we will be held under socialism. We cant revolt if they take away our weapons. The criminal element care about nothing but themselves and would be no issue in this situation, so it matters very little if they have guns.
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That's why you need to have a few "unregistered" ones.

True story: We got our house through an estate sale in the family. We got the house and the contents inside of it. In the closet was a Stevens 30-30, .22 pump, and (2) Parker Brother side-by-sides (circa 1860's). I was concerned about the transfer of ownership so I call the State police.. Their response, "no papaerwork necessary, call the county sheriff to verify". So, I called the county sheriff...same response.

It all depends on what state you live in as to how tight their controls are.

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I believe that most people will revolt if they try to take the guns. I mean look at the South! The Gov. hasn't tried over the last 70yrs guns have been an issue because they know it will separate the US. Civil war would break out across the country. And we would be justified by the Constitution to do so. We have guns to protect ourselves against the Gov. from doing just such a thing.

But who knows right...?
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Most of you live in nice places with minor crime. I work as an officer in the armpit of Southern CA. Iraq has little on this place, except for news coverage. Believe me when I say Your local police officers are so busy that the chances we will be there in time to help you are slim. The way our country is heading it is only a matter of years before this spreads to your area. Be prepared to protect yourself. I tell people get a DOG to alert you, a GUN to protect yourself, and learn about the LAWS in your state so you know what legal reason you need to state to the officer after you shoot someone. The last one is routinely overlooked. The CORRECT answers are short and will save your a**.
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move to TX and there is no gun registration, even when buying from dealer

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