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Old 07-26-2010, 08:35 PM   #1
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thank a teacher

http://www.americadeservesaraise.com.../thankateacher

Read the story, rate it, and vote to give a teacher a raise.

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Not for giving ANY public employee a raise at this time. People are loosing jobs left and right in this economy and teachers want more money again? Not from me if I can help it. OUR (meaning public employees, not my employees) employees are getting COLA raises all along and now we're supposed to give teachers a raise just because they're doing their job, in the field that they chose. Teachers work 9.5 months a year and get paid a full year's wage. Live within your means or move to another job and hope you do better.
  • Thank a teacher for doing their job? Thanks, but I am not giving you more money.
  • But it's for our children, the future of our society. B.S. the way the N.E.A. pumps the kids with socialist crap, we're screwed.
  • It's a union gig. Let the union get them more money and lay off the guilt trips.

Sorry if I've offended any teaching Jeepers, but we all need more money and I am tired of the teacher pity party happening every year.

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I could not agree with you more on this one Pecos.
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My wife teaches high-school spanish.

Until you've BEEN a teacher, or you live with a teacher, you simply cannot understand the devotion a good teacher puts into the job.
The time involved (easily 60 hour weeks on average, counting grading and planning at home because most teachers have various duties and school-related things to do during their "planning" period, and the summer job to supplement substandard wages when judged against other jobs that require a college degree, which my wife makes just over $40k per year and she's been teaching for 7 years, not to mention time spent for required professional development during the summer AND planning for the upcoming year, AND the fact that teachers are on SALARY with NO overtime OR holiday pay), the personal money spent on classroom supplies (which we spent over $1000 last year, to which the measly $200 yearly tax credit in DE. where my wife teaches was cut), the unions which do NOTHING to protect teacher jobs and very little to protect pay rates (my wife got a 5% pay and benefit cut last year and many teachers with less seniority in her district either got relocated or had their job cut all together) but still take their dues out of every paycheck, to being expected to play mommy/daddy to kids whose parents are too incompetent to raise their children properly, if the parents are even there at all, by staying late until someone can pick their child up, or letting a kid with serious personal issues at home come to them for some solace and council, to breaking up fights, to stopping sexual advances made by hormone-charged teenage boys towards their classmates, to being physically threatened by whacked out teenagers when they are not allowed by LAW to use ANY physical force to defend themselves, lest lawsuits and job termination follow.
There are GOOD teachers and there are BAD teachers. To lump them all together is plain old fashioned ignorance. A good teacher does it for the love of the job and for the kids. A bad teacher does it because it's a paycheck. But yeah, maybe if people just stopped being teachers, our kids won't have an education and then your "Socialists" really will win. Until you know first had what it's like to try to be a good teacher these days, until you see first hand what goes on in schools today, until you know what it's like to perform small miracles every day to keep a powder-keg of raging hormones and testosterone from exploding, you have NO opinion on the matter.
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And before I hear any "Learn to live within your means" talk, which I completely agree with, I work for a non-profit that promotes childhood and adolescent literacy, and I make less than my wife. I'm OK with what I make because I believe in what my company does and I like my job. We live comfortably enough, but we make many sacrifices, just like so many others. I have my toy, a 55 Chevy hotrod, which I bought cash before we owned a home. We both pay 2 state's taxes, because where we live, there are not many good jobs. I drive a 14 year old beater every day so my wife could afford a decent car (2006 base model Hyundai Santa Fe) for her 45 minute commute. We are just now getting to the point that I can afford to pick up something new, which will be a Wrangler Sport, hopefully with the S package. We have a very modest savings account, but it's at least something.
I say this not looking for pity, I don't want anyone's pity because we are both happy with our lives and with each other, I say it to try and gain some understanding that you cannot judge an entire group by what you see on the news. Know the people you speak of, understand what it takes to be a good teacher. I could have gone off the deep end here, and I considered it, but that doesn't educate anyone. I can only hope that people who share the above poster's opinions will educate themselves before passing sweeping judgment.
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Every time I see what the current generation writes, I wonder what teachers are actually doing these days. I used to do some hiring at my previous place of employment, and the resumes were hilarious. The first misspelling I ran across assured that they weren't qualified for the position. That weeded out 60% of them. It's like Ebonics was a required course. The other subjects seem to get about the same treatment. I have a hard time carrying on a serious conversation with people a lot younger than I am. I keep looking around for Leno, figuring he's doing that "Jay Walking" thing.

I work my tail off at my job. 1 raise in 5 years, and I'm not all that upset about it. I have a job I like, and the pay is sufficient. If teachers feel they're underpaid, perhaps it's time to find a new job.
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Did you even read this? This is a private website contest where people write stories about people that deserve raises. The story with the most votes gets that person a bonus that the site calls a "raise". It has nothing to do with actual raises or any tax money.

BUT!!!! considering you brought it up, let me school you!!!!

Florida teachers have not had any raises in three years, even though they had contracts with the state for raises for the last two. And that includes they have not gotten any steps for years of service, so a teacher that has been teaching for five years is still making the wage for two years of seniority.

The current governor cut the state school budget twice (which was already the lowest in amount of money spent per student in the entire country). He also rescinded the state constitutional amendment the required that no more than 25 students per teacher, so the schools cut staffing to be able to meet the new lower budgets. Still not sure how the governor was allowed to violate the state's constitution?

Plus he gave huge property tax breaks to people buying new homes that cost more then their previous home!!! This hurts both the school districts people are moving out of because they lose the tax base, and the districts they move into because they do not receive the normal amount of tax base per new student they are use to.

And obviously the only people that were buying BIGGER houses were the ones that had money and have not been hurt by the economy, so why give them a big break?

Now they are trying to throw out tenor with the excuse that there are bad teachers they cannot get rid of. Which is totally false, if a teacher is bad they have no problem getting rid of them. What they are really doing is trying to get rid of teacher at the higher end of the pay scale so they can hire in new teachers at lower wages.

Starting wage for a teacher in Florida is $33K, and people think not bad for 9 months out of the year and only working 7 hours a day.. But the facts: 1, they work 10 months a year in Florida. 2, average teacher day with at school is more like 9 hours, with another 2 hours a day at home doing school work. All this with no overtime or extra pay. You think the kids have a lot of homework, you should be a teacher. So that is 11 hours a day for 45 weeks. That is not counting holiday weeks, or the fact that some do grading and such during the weeks of Christmas, Thanksgiving, and Spring Break when they are off. So it adds up to 2475 hours a year average. That is $13 per hour. Workers at Costco start at $11 per hour, and they didn't have to go $40k in debt to get a degree.

If you work a regular 40 hour a week job you work 2080 hours a year. Minus the paid holidays and vacations which can vary. For me having worked many year is the same job, I get 5 weeks vacation a year, (teacher don't get extra vacation as they have the four weeks of summer off), so I work 1800 hours a year for my pay.
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I was fortunate enough to have some very good teachers (they were definitely in the minority). I even did some yard work and stuff for 3 or 4 of them. I know how hard the good ones work, and the stuff they put up with.

I have also had teachers who knew less than some of the students about the subject they were teaching. All I can say about the "state of your state" is that politicians don't get re-elected if they raise taxes. Since that's how teacher's pay is funded, they are a portion of the group that pays the price. It seems to be the same in just about every other state as well.

I actually considered becoming a history teacher when I was in high school. After looking around at my classmates and talking to the teachers I respected, I quickly shelved that idea. Yes, the good ones are under paid. Frankly, I think the bad ones are grossly overpaid. Perhaps it's the work environment that is causing such an influx of incompetents?

The dedicated teachers have my respect. They deserve a lot more compensation. I owe a large debt to the good ones I had.
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If teachers feel they're underpaid, perhaps it's time to find a new job.
Many do, and that a big part of the problem. Many young teaches come out of college and get a teaching job, trying to change the world and thinking it will be fun. Then they realize that it's actually work and that it requires a lot of time, just to meet the minimum requirements. So they move on. This happens year in and year out. So you get kids with poor educations partly because of this. Then you throw in 30+ class sizes, making it nearly impossible for individual attention and the "No Child Left Behind" travesty that just pushes kids through the system that probably require some special attention, and you get these kids you speak of.
And then there is the complete lack of parental assistance today. Either through bad parenting or simply not being able to be there to make sure the kid is doing the work. The parent is just as responsible for their child's education as the teacher. You take half the equation away, you get half the result. Poor education is a direct product of our society's ills. Simply blaming teachers is a cop out for not actually knowing the whole issue. We're already way behind many of the leading nations for education, yet we keep cutting education budgets. Where do you think this will lead us? We all pay taxes, that pay our education budgets. Why? Because good education will benefit the entire nation, including those who gripe about having to pay property taxes, yet don't have kids.
If we expect to be the best nation in the world, we need to have the best minds. Think about it this way: What if we cut the budget in the district where a kid goes to school that might have found the cure for cancer if he could have gotten the help and support he needed while in school? Then what happens when you get cancer? I don't really mean this in the literal sense, but it's a good metaphor for the state of our educational system.
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I was fortunate enough to have some very good teachers (they were definitely in the minority). I even did some yard work and stuff for 3 or 4 of them. I know how hard the good ones work, and the stuff they put up with.

I have also had teachers who knew less than some of the students about the subject they were teaching. All I can say about the "state of your state" is that politicians don't get re-elected if they raise taxes. Since that's how teacher's pay is funded, they are a portion of the group that pays the price. It seems to be the same in just about every other state as well.

I actually considered becoming a history teacher when I was in high school. After looking around at my classmates and talking to the teachers I respected, I quickly shelved that idea. Yes, the good ones are under paid. Frankly, I think the bad ones are grossly overpaid. Perhaps it's the work environment that is causing such an influx of incompetents?

The dedicated teachers have my respect. They deserve a lot more compensation. I owe a large debt to the good ones I had.
Keep in mind that there is no differential in pay for performance, either. The good teachers make the same money as the bad.
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Many do, and that a big part of the problem. Many young teaches come out of college and get a teaching job, trying to change the world and thinking it will be fun. Then they realize that it's actually work and that it requires a lot of time, just to meet the minimum requirements. So they move on. This happens year in and year out. So you get kids with poor educations partly because of this. Then you throw in 30+ class sizes, making it nearly impossible for individual attention and the "No Child Left Behind" travesty that just pushes kids through the system that probably require some special attention, and you get these kids you speak of.
And then there is the complete lack of parental assistance today. Either through bad parenting or simply not being able to be there to make sure the kid is doing the work. The parent is just as responsible for their child's education as the teacher. You take half the equation away, you get half the result. Poor education is a direct product of our society's ills. Simply blaming teachers is a cop out for not actually knowing the whole issue. We're already way behind many of the leading nations for education, yet we keep cutting education budgets. Where do you think this will lead us? We all pay taxes, that pay our education budgets. Why? Because good education will benefit the entire nation, including those who gripe about having to pay property taxes, yet don't have kids.
If we expect to be the best nation in the world, we need to have the best minds. Think about it this way: What if we cut the budget in the district where a kid goes to school that might have found the cure for cancer if he could have gotten the help and support he needed while in school? Then what happens when you get cancer? I don't really mean this in the literal sense, but it's a good metaphor for the state of our educational system.
We're on the same page. You stated nothing I do not agree with wholeheartedly. Large classes are nothing new, however. I can remember sophomore history and English classes that were taught in an auditorium. How I hated those! Each class had 75 students, and those that needed individual help were out of luck. I read the book and took the tests. In that case, the teacher was just a prop. Almost a fourth of those kids flunked the class.

In other cases, I witnessed teachers who catered to the students who didn't really need the attention and ignored the ones who were obviously lost. This was in the seventies, and our average class size was 28 to 30. I'm thankful I didn't need any extra help, but I watched many who did fail because they never got it. It makes me wonder where the parents were. If I brought home less than a B, I had some 'splainin' to do. That wasn't easy, since there weren't any excuses permitted. I think we've lost that, and it's not a good thing.

I also agree that the no child left behind act is beyond ignorant. In order to graduate more students, the standards have been lowered. It's no wonder other countries are kicking our butt when we're graduating functionally illiterate students. Sure, more kids failed back then, but at least they could read and write when they finally graduated.
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Sorry, nothing written here changes my mind. I wish we lived in a perfect world with good teachers adequately compensated and poor teachers given the boot, but we don't and what I see coming out of schools these days is bottom of the barrel.
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I would only ask that you consider what it is that you are doing to help improve the situation. I don't agree with your opinions, but I was taught to respect others and what they have to say. It's a tough time for all working people these days, it's going to take a lot of working together for the benefit of all of us to pull ourselves out of this mess. That begins with a mutual understanding. No doubt the educational system needs a serious overhaul, but like the old saying goes, a good craftsman doesn't blame his tools. I personally don't care if my wife ever gets another raise, I just want people to understand the issues instead of pointing a finger.
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