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Old 09-13-2012, 02:56 PM   #31
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the real question on the 80's look of your guitar..what are YOU gonna wear?
Bring back some PARACHUTE PANTS and the rock the white high top REEBOX!!!!



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Hey guys,...acoustic guitar....If I change the strings to a thinner gauge do I have adjust the truss rod after?
I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I've never adjusted a truss rod on an acoustic, and I don't even know how! Acoustics are a totally different animal from electrics, as their bodies are hollow (obviously) and the wood is quite thin. I would honestly leave it to a qualified tech to do it, because you could really damage something if you add too much tension.

As for having to adjust the truss rod on an acoustic if you increase or decrease a string gauge, it all depends on the guitar. Some of them may require an adjustment, some may not. There's no way of telling until you do it.

Lemme guess...you wanna go to a thinner gauge because it's tough to play, right? Given that I play(ed) electric 99% of the time, my fingers never quite developed the additional, needed strength to play an acoustic without it sounding buzzy, and without difficulty of fingering chords.

I just got my Taylor 414ce about 3-4 weeks ago. I was having trouble fingering chords without getting a lot of buzz, and just playing in general. With electrics, distortion will compensate for your mistakes, but with an acoustic, it doesn't work that way. With an acoustic, if you have poor technique, your errors will be heard, loud and clear...or not so clear. Acoustics do NOT "forgive" mistakes.

My recommendation to you is to leave the heavy gauge strings. Give yourself a few weeks and you will get used to playing. When you go back to playing electric, it'll be like the difference between swimming in sweatpants and a Speedo. Your fingers will FLY on that electric.

Another thing to keep in mind when decreasing to a thinner gauge on an acoustic is that it will seriously affect the tone. While it's not so prominent with an electric, you WILL notice a SIGNIFICANT difference with an acoustic. If you have a "full" sound now, you will not if you decrease the gauge. You will seriously castrate the sound.

That being said, for that reason alone, even if I had experience with adjusting truss rods on acoustics, I wouldn't tell you.

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Very nice! I've never had the opportunity to sit down with a Laguna, but I do like their manufacturing practices. For every guitar they build, I believe they actually plant a tree. They're a very "green" company. I like that.
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I know I have considered the change in sound and thats a big reason why I haven't done it yet. It does sound very good how it is now.
I started out playing the acoustic from the beginning, and have developed some "decent" calluses. BUT after buying two electrics and playing them a lot more my fingertips are so sore after picking the acoustic back up. Almost like I never played before, lol.
I also want strings that will bend a little easier. I might try out light/mediums
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I know I have considered the change in sound and thats a big reason why I haven't done it yet. It does sound very good how it is now.
I started out playing the acoustic from the beginning, and have developed some "decent" calluses. BUT after buying two electrics and playing them a lot more my fingertips are so sore after picking the acoustic back up. Almost like I never played before, lol.
I also want strings that will bend a little easier. I might try out light/mediums
I think acoustics normally run a .012 gauge. If you're gonna go lighter, I wouldn't go lower than an .011 gauge. Anything less than an .011 gauge and you're really going to be sacrificing a lot of tone.

I wanted to drop down to an .011 gauge on my Taylor but everyone I talked to told me if I dropped down a gauge, I was going to destroy that "Taylor tone." I've decided to just suck it up with the .012s and I'm glad I did.

As for bending, you'll build up the strength in your fingers to bend, but the strings still aren't going to bend to the moon like those of an electric. Depending on how old the guitar is, it may just need to be broken in. Before deciding to restring, try working with the .012s or whatever is on it. They may be tough to bend but they'll eventually loosen up a little bit. I'm finding that either my Taylor is getting easier to play because of added strength or because it's finally starting to break in.
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It's actually a great guitar Con Artist. The neck is super smooth and the build fantastic. My real guitar friends cannot believe I got it new on sale (discontinued) for $150.
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It's actually a great guitar Con Artist. The neck is super smooth and the build fantastic. My real guitar friends cannot believe I got it new on sale (discontinued) for $150.
I'll have to find someone who has them. I know Guitar Center sells them but they don't have a location nearby. I go to GC and try out the gear, and then buy elsewhere.

Some cheaper guitars can be real surprising. I just played a $119 Fender Squire Strat last week and it felt pretty good. While it didn't sound all that great (nothing a set of pickups wouldn't fix...), the neck was comfortable, finish was decent, and the fret-job was decent.

For Xmas 2010, my wife got me a Squier J-Bass "gig pack," which came with the guitar, 15W amp, instructional cd, strap, tuner, and a chord. After spending a little time tweaking things like the truss rod and string action, it played really nicely. It sounds pretty decent, to boot! It's the Squier "Affinity" J-Bass. I'm very happy with it.
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So what is everyone playing/learning right now? Since I'm still very much a beginner, I have been playing around with barre chords recently and just working on getting everything to move smoothly.

I also have been playing the "wish you were here" solo religiously, lol. Every time I pick up a guitar I play that first...then proceed to whatever else I was doing. I'm a big Pink Floyd fan so naturally I'm a fan of Gilmour.
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So what is everyone playing/learning right now? Since I'm still very much a beginner, I have been playing around with barre chords recently and just working on getting everything to move smoothly.

I also have been playing the "wish you were here" solo religiously, lol. Every time I pick up a guitar I play that first...then proceed to whatever else I was doing. I'm a big Pink Floyd fan so naturally I'm a fan of Gilmour.
My teacher has had me working on some jazz/classical compositions, the most "memorable" being "Autumn Leaves" by Joe Pass. I don't like the song at all, but given it's difficult, I like the challenge.

Aside from "Autumn Leaves," he has me working on "Dust in the Wind" by Kansas, which he's forcing me to exclusively finger-pick, which has been tough for me. I'm into Heavy Metal, so this whole finger-picking thing is quite foreign to me. The song also has SIXTEEN chord changes, so again, I hate the song, but I love the challenge.

A lot of people who are into a particular style of music don't want to learn or focus on a different style from what they like, but I'm trying to learn an instrument, not a style. I had the option of being taught by a Heavy Metal-oriented guitarist, who just happened to be Ronnie Younkins of the band, Kix, but he had quit right before I signed up for lessons to go back on tour. That kinda sucked because I've always been a big fan of Kix.

My wife got me signed up for lessons and my teacher has a degree in jazz/classical music. That doesn't bother me at all because I'm open to learning things, even if I don't like them. In the end, it makes for being a much more versatile player.

During my first lesson, my new teacher asks me, "So what style do you want to gear lessons towards? What do you want to learn? I told him, "I don't want to learn any style, I want to learn how to play the instrument. I'll figure out how to play different styles on my own.

Here's the thing. I don't want to discredit teachers who are Heavy Metal guitarists but most of the time they're interested in talking about Iron Maiden and showing you all their fancy licks more than teaching the instrument. While that's great if you want to learn how to become a Heavy Metal player, I don't want to be a "Heavy Metal player." Give me the necessary tools and fundamentals to play the instrument and I will figure out how to play Heavy Metal on my own...or country, jazz, classical, or whatever...

So, 'scuse me for my babbling, but aside from the stuff my teacher has me working on, I don't waste my time learning anyone else's songs, even though it is a good thing to do. Learning different styles of other musicians' playing is a good thing and helps, but I don't wanna be the guy who learns a bunch of Dokken songs, and then wind up sounding like a carbon copy of George Lynch; nothing against George Lynch, as he's a phenomenal musician, but I don't want to sound like anyone else. I want to sound original. The worst thing someone could possibly tell me is, "That sounds like Randy Rhoads" or "that sounds like Pantera." I'm using them as examples. I want to sound like me.
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Very well said Dan. I agree with a lot of what you said. I don't want to learn a specific style or genre of music...I want to learn to play the guitar.
My taste in music is so eclectic and constantly growing...I would never be happy learning just a specific type of music.
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Although I do have a lot of interest in Bluesy Rock.
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Very well said Dan. I agree with a lot of what you said. I don't want to learn a specific style or genre of music...I want to learn to play the guitar.
My taste in music is so eclectic and constantly growing...I would never be happy learning just a specific type of music.
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Although I do have a lot of interest in Bluesy Rock.
It's always good to have an interest in a variety of music. While my passion for Metal outweighs anything else, I'm not embarrassed to admit to liking 1980s Madonna or Bryan Adams' "Reckless" record. Yeah, I know, how can I go from listening to Susperia and Slayer to listening to the Bee Gees...

Almost all Rock is influenced by Blues in one way or the other, whether it be Poison or Metallica, the Rolling Stones, or even the old-school rap.

Blues is one thing where it's not so much what you play, but how you play. It's all about the feeling, and if you aren't going to play it with passion, people will instantly know it. It's also one of those types of music where you need to listen to others and HEAR what they're actually doing. Then, you need to learn it, take bits and pieces from what you've learned, and apply the fundamentals to your own music. You need to write your own music, PERIOD. I could post a song I wrote and recorded last year, and then post the updated one I just completed today; night and day difference.
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Amazing. Great sound, great sustain. My only complaint is that because of the scoop cut out at the end of the neck, bend strings results in the other strings dropping down a note or 2. Otherwise I live it!
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Amazing. Great sound, great sustain. My only complaint is that because of the scoop cut out at the end of the neck, bend strings results in the other strings dropping down a note or 2. Otherwise I live it!
It's a very cool guitar. I had to do a double-take at the center cut. At first I thought I was seeing things! I looked for them on eBay and there are two f/s, however neither of them have the center cutout. I wonder if they're not really Danas?

You actually answered the next question I was going to ask, which was regarding the tuning stability.
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You actually don't really notice the key drop unless you hit the wrong string.
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I'm not embarrassed to admit to liking 1980s Madonna or Bryan Adams' "Reckless" record. Yeah, I know, how can I go from listening to Susperia and Slayer to listening to the Bee Gees...
This is an example of my Ipod...
Pearl Jam
John Mayer
Radiohead
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Pink Floyd
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and then...Lady Gaga...lol
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You actually don't really notice the key drop unless you hit the wrong string.
But hitting a wrong string poses a problem, regardless!

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This is an example of my Ipod...
Pearl Jam
John Mayer
Radiohead
Black keys
BB King
Pink Floyd
Jack Johnson
Led Zep
Eric Clapton

and then...Lady Gaga...lol
Mine...

Annihilator
Armored Saint
Behemoth
Damageplan
Dark Age
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and...Falco?
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ARGHHHH!!!


So, didnt change the strings but f'd up my guitar in any case..

I evened out the Floyd Rose...front to back and side to side so its parallel to the body..
Now I tune E,A,D and G, B and E go out. Tune G, B, E, then it throws off E, A, D...

Am I wrong to think that the Floyd needs to be adjusted so the strings can be tuned? Which would mean the bridge wont be parallel with the body in some direction and thats going to have to be okay?

Grrr..I'm thinking about being Pete Townsend in the 70's right now...
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It's actually a great guitar Con Artist. The neck is super smooth and the build fantastic. My real guitar friends cannot believe I got it new on sale (discontinued) for $150.
Laguna's spawned off of the now-defunct Brawley guitars. Word is that Guitar Center hired Keith Brawley to produce them & that many were the exact same instruments as his previous work, but with a different logo.

This guy sure seemed to like 'em




Re: KBR97's acoustic guitar/ truss rod question above, you probably don't need to tweak it when changing string gauges. That being said, you might find that lighter strings will sit closer to the fretboard around center of the neck due to the reduced tension (which will produce less forward bow).

Alternately, you might try tightening the truss rod slightly with your current gauge strings. The general rule of thumb is to only turn it 1/4 turn at a time & wait AT LEAST an hour before adjusting further. You want a very slight forward bow in the neck when it is under tension to give the strings room to vibrate without hitting the frets.


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Todd_UnlimitednCT, sounds like you need to tighten the springs a bit. Re-stringing a Floyd can be a bit of a balancing act, but once you've done it a few times, it gets much easier.
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Amazing. Great sound, great sustain. My only complaint is that because of the scoop cut out at the end of the neck, bend strings results in the other strings dropping down a note or 2. Otherwise I live it!
Are you sure that it's not your bridge causing that? Double-stop bends on pretty much ANY guitar with a floating trem will do that.
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P.S. I've mostly been working on stuff for the band. to name a few:

Frankenstein
Carry On My Wayward Son
Hold On Loosely
Don't Stop Believin'
The Boys Are Back in Town
Crazy Train
Separate Ways

I also try spend some time working scales, playing along with various backing tracks, and practicing different playing techniques (chicken pickin', finger-picking, string skipping, alternate picking, etc, etc, etc)

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ARGHHHH!!!


So, didnt change the strings but f'd up my guitar in any case..

I evened out the Floyd Rose...front to back and side to side so its parallel to the body..
Now I tune E,A,D and G, B and E go out. Tune G, B, E, then it throws off E, A, D...

Am I wrong to think that the Floyd needs to be adjusted so the strings can be tuned? Which would mean the bridge wont be parallel with the body in some direction and thats going to have to be okay?

Grrr..I'm thinking about being Pete Townsend in the 70's right now...
Relax, you didn't mess up anything. Tune the knobs on the bridge halfway down on each of them. Now use the tuning keys to tune. You will need to tune and retune MULTIPLE times. Once all strings stay in tune, you're good to lock the nut. If you pull or push the tremolo while the nut is unlocked, you will go out of tune. PULLING AND PRESSING THE TREMOLO WITH THE NUT UNLOCKED IS ONLY FOR STRETCHING THE STRINGS A FEW TIMES. ONCE YOU'VE STRETCHED THE STRINGS, DO NOT MESS WITH THE TREMOLO FOR FINAL TUNING.

Make sure the measurements for the top and bottom of the claw are even. Even a slight variance can send your tuning haywire.

Once you've done this, just follow my suggestions above. Remember you are not only new to guitars but to a Floyd. We've all been there.
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Hey Dan, How much are the lessons you take? Out of curiosity I asked the guy at my local music store/school. He said $22.50 for 1/2 hour. Seams pretty reasonable.
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Hey Dan, How much are the lessons you take? Out of curiosity I asked the guy at my local music store/school. He said $22.50 for 1/2 hour. Seams pretty reasonable.
Perfectly reasonable. That's about the going rate. I pay $23 per 1/2 hour.

Before you make a commitment to this guy teaching you, find out what his credentials are and do not be passive about what direction you want to go with your musical studies. That money adds up very quickly. If you take on a teacher and you both aren't on the same page, you're not going to learn anything. You need to be very clear as to what your expectations are, which should be covered during your first lesson, and make sure his teaching style is one which you will understand. Some people do better with visualization, while some do better with hands-on and knowing every little detail, etc.
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Perfectly reasonable. That's about the going rate. I pay $23 per 1/2 hour.

Before you make a commitment to this guy teaching you, find out what his credentials are and do not be passive about what direction you want to go with your musical studies. That money adds up very quickly. If you take on a teacher and you both aren't on the same page, you're not going to learn anything. You need to be very clear as to what your expectations are, which should be covered during your first lesson, and make sure his teaching style is one which you will understand. Some people do better with visualization, while some do better with hands-on and knowing every little detail, etc.
I gave lessons for $20 an hr. figured i could get more people if i charged less.

Didn't last long. Haha
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I gave lessons for $20 an hr. figured i could get more people if i charged less.

Didn't last long. Haha
I hear ya. Normally if lessons are 4x's per month, you'll only be saving $144 over the course of a year. Unless you're a real penny-pincher, $3 probably won't matter, though the offer is attractive.
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Ended up giving lessons to a 3 year old for almost 6 months. His mom REALY liked me.
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Ahhh, so you were really "teaching" his mom...

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