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Old 12-13-2007, 06:30 AM   #31
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Old 12-13-2007, 06:47 AM   #32
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Just curious, do any of them get pissy with you about it?
Nobody has challenged me on this one yet and if they did, well they can find the door. If anything, I opened a few minds when I asked them about their guns and their security policy. A couple of parents were very appreciative I was being proactive and adopted my approach.

I find it's equally important to speak to your kids friends too. The older brother of my son's friend had previously threatened the neighbor's kids with a .22 rifle. The firearm was improperly secured by his father. I found this out even before I spoke to the parents....NEXT! That was it for this kids house.

I always backburn the issue and talk to the kids and ask if they have guns in the house. Some people may take offense at this tactic but when it comes to your child's safety, I do not take any chances. This was a new friend my son had made and I was driving him home the first afternoon he came over and that's when I discovered there were two issues: problems with the older brother and access to dad's .22 rifle.

This reinforced the rule to the visitation policy and older siblings: Do not let your kids hang out in an environment that is NOT actively supervised by adults. Today, many older kids are watching the younger kids until mom and dad get home from work. Throw in access to a firearm, some boredom, some inexperienced thinking and you have a recipe for a disaster.

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is it just me that thinks a 5 year old boy shouldn't be handling a rifle? He might be good enough to shoot it but he still has the mind of a 5 year old..
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is it just me that thinks a 5 year old boy shouldn't be handling a rifle? He might be good enough to shoot it but he still has the mind of a 5 year old..
He wasn't out by himself, he was with Dad or Grandpa or whoever, and has been hunting with them for years.
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oh yeah yeah i know but is it any different to let a 5 year old drive a car after playing need for speed with your supervision in the passenger seat vs a 5 year old to shoot a gun after playing games? (i know he might not be able to reach the pedals but i'm just trying to show the idea..)
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is it just me that thinks a 5 year old boy shouldn't be handling a rifle? He might be good enough to shoot it but he still has the mind of a 5 year old..
The mind of a 5 year old is quite capable of learning. The earlier they learn the safer they will be.
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What would be wrong with letting a 5 year old drive you car if he can reach the peddles?

That's our 9 year old at the wheel.


If they're under supervision then what do you imagine is going to happen?
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My 8 year old cousin has more respect for others and knowledge then most 16 year olds and can do 10x more then them.

Early years are the best years to teach your kids these things because once they are teenagers it's usually too late to learn

It's not uncommon for 8-9 year olds in the country to be driving vehicles specially on a farm or ranch. So don't be surprised skeets kid is behind the wheel.

You do not always have control over your kids actions but you can do your best to teach them the right values and them what is right and wrong.

I never watched Back to the future and jumped in my parents car and did 88mph when I was little when I got a chance behind the wheel?

I was behind a hand-gun before I could remember or hold one up. I watched terminator and went hunting afterwards and never pointed a loaded gun at a friend or family member trying to re-act it. I was taught to never point a gun at someone loaded or not. I stood next to my father shoot his guns at the gun range, I watched him put together his own bullets. He taught me these skills while he did it. I had my own .22 rifle but never had it out unless I was with my parents. It had a key lock on the trigger.

Guns don't kill people. Ignorant people kill people.

If your going to have weapons around your kids you need to teach them about them so they can respect them and know what to do around them and what not to do around them. Thats how I was raised along with OC and im sure thousands of others.

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not really a great analogy int hat you can control a lot more when you're 5 yr old is sittin between your legs with a rifle than when he is beside you at the wheel. but either way, learned to shoot before i could multiply and i drove moms and dads trucks all the time when i was little. younger minds have a better capacity for learning, and the earlier you teach a child something the easier it is for them to learn it, and since they are learning it froma responsible adult, they are learning it correctly and safely. like i stated earlier, a 5 yr old killed a massive bear. he now knows that guns can kill, and are not toys. some grown men arent aware of this. if he has bene properly raised and being that most likely he's a country boy from a conservative family, he probably has been. he's going to do what his parents/grandparents tell him. and they're going to tell him the right things to do, tis only reinforces good values and responsibilty.
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under supervision is not what i have a problem with. The problem that i have is what happens when that kid is not under supervision and decides to go out and play w/ the rest of the kids and finds the real gun? In my mind just things like those dont need to be thought to kids that young.
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under supervision is not what i have a problem with. The problem that i have is what happens when that kid is not under supervision and decides to go out and play w/ the rest of the kids and finds the real gun? In my mind just things like those dont need to be thought to kids that young.
Then obviously his parents didn't teach him right. Most of the time its the ignorant kids who kill people or the crazy.

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you're lookina t it all wrong. you justified our point in your statement. by being intorduced to guns at such a young age and being tought how to properly use and handle a gun. taught the dangers they possess and the safety/respect which they need to be treated. the kid is much less likely to do something like go find the gun and think its just toy he can shoot at his friends. not only that, people that are responsible enough to teach their kids to shoot at this age are more than likely responsibel enough to keep the guns locked up.
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Then obviously his parents didn't teach him right. Most of the time its the ignorant kids who kill people or the crazy.

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lev is right. most gun accidents / incidents come from people who have access to guns, but unfortunately werent taught how to propery use them when they were younger..... not tryin to pick at you at all triple88. but do you own a gun? how often do you shoot / have you ever shot one?
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no i do not own a gun but i've shot w/ a rifle.. I'm currently thinking of making some kind of potato launcher that shoots more than just potatoes. I gues i'm just looking at the wrong side of this but again thats just my opinion. To me 5 years old is not mature enough to be shown how to use weapons. Maybe have the kid watch you shoot it and explain that its a deadly weapon but teaching it how to shoot.. no..
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under supervision is not what i have a problem with. The problem that i have is what happens when that kid is not under supervision and decides to go out and play w/ the rest of the kids and finds the real gun? In my mind just things like those dont need to be thought to kids that young.
I grew up in a house full of guns and they were always loaded. most of my friends had guns around their houses but we didn't "play" with them because we knew what they were for. They are no different than the chain saw or the axe in the shed, they're tools to be used for a purpose and since I could shoot whenever I wanted just by asking my dad, They held no special attraction.
It's when you make something taboo that you give it that mystique that attracts kids to "play" with it behind your back. (I broke into the folks' liquor cabinet several times )
When my grandfather was in school, marksmanship was part of the regular curriculum and the students were encouraged to bring their own guns to be shot behind the school. They didn't have a problem with school shootings.
When my father was in school they had firearms safety training as an after school extra curricular activity. they often went hunting before or after school and either left their guns in their vehicles or checked them at the office. They didn't have a big problem with school shootings.
When I was in school I refinished my dads M1 carbine in woodshop and the NRA advertised hunter safety courses on the school billboard, you could sign up at the office. We didn't have a big problem with school shootings.
We've allowed them to make guns taboo. We've allowed them to go so far as to make the mere drawing of a picture of a gun an offense worthy of expulsion.
Now we have problems with school shootings.
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no i do not own a gun but i've shot w/ a rifle.. I'm currently thinking of making some kind of potato launcher that shoots more than just potatoes. I gues i'm just looking at the wrong side of this but again thats just my opinion. To me 5 years old is not mature enough to be shown how to use weapons. Maybe have the kid watch you shoot it and explain that its a deadly weapon but teaching it how to shoot.. no..
The problem with that scenario is, guns are not difficult to figure out. You don't have to teach a 5 year old how to shoot, he can figure it out on his own.
Almost all the gun accidents I've heard of where there's a survivor to tell what happened, the accident occurred specifically because the kid playing with the gun didn't understand how it worked so he or she didn't know that it wasn't safe.
One instance that sticks in my mind. A young girl was sitting in her room when her boyfriend came in, he had stolen his dads gun and was showing it off to her.
She pulled the magazine out and thought that since she had removed the "bullets" the gun couldn't shoot. She blew her boy friend away because nobody taught her the rules of firearm safety, nobody taught her that just because you remove the mag doesn't mean there isn't still a round in the chamber.
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I think about the best christmas I had was at 8 years old I unwrapped my first shot gun.That showed me that my dad had seen enough to know that I was reponsible enough to be safe and treat it with respect.Thanks Dad, I love you!
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I grew up in a house full of guns and they were always loaded. most of my friends had guns around their houses but we didn't "play" with them because we knew what they were for. They are no different than the chain saw or the axe in the shed, they're tools to be used for a purpose and since I could shoot whenever I wanted just by asking my dad, They held no special attraction.
It's when you make something taboo that you give it that mystique that attracts kids to "play" with it behind your back. (I broke into the folks' liquor cabinet several times )
When my grandfather was in school, marksmanship was part of the regular curriculum and the students were encouraged to bring their own guns to be shot behind the school. They didn't have a problem with school shootings.
When my father was in school they had firearms safety training as an after school extra curricular activity. they often went hunting before or after school and either left their guns in their vehicles or checked them at the office. They didn't have a big problem with school shootings.
When I was in school I refinished my dads M1 carbine in woodshop and the NRA advertised hunter safety courses on the school billboard, you could sign up at the office. We didn't have a big problem with school shootings.
We've allowed them to make guns taboo. We've allowed them to go so far as to make the mere drawing of a picture of a gun an offense worthy of expulsion.
Now we have problems with school shootings.

Nothing can really be added to this, good job(again) Skeeter!
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I grew up in a house full of guns and they were always loaded. most of my friends had guns around their houses but we didn't "play" with them because we knew what they were for. They are no different than the chain saw or the axe in the shed, they're tools to be used for a purpose and since I could shoot whenever I wanted just by asking my dad, They held no special attraction.
It's when you make something taboo that you give it that mystique that attracts kids to "play" with it behind your back. (I broke into the folks' liquor cabinet several times )
When my grandfather was in school, marksmanship was part of the regular curriculum and the students were encouraged to bring their own guns to be shot behind the school. They didn't have a problem with school shootings.
When my father was in school they had firearms safety training as an after school extra curricular activity. they often went hunting before or after school and either left their guns in their vehicles or checked them at the office. They didn't have a big problem with school shootings.
When I was in school I refinished my dads M1 carbine in woodshop and the NRA advertised hunter safety courses on the school billboard, you could sign up at the office. We didn't have a big problem with school shootings.
We've allowed them to make guns taboo. We've allowed them to go so far as to make the mere drawing of a picture of a gun an offense worthy of expulsion.
Now we have problems with school shootings.
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oh yeah yeah i know but is it any different to let a 5 year old drive a car after playing need for speed with your supervision in the passenger seat vs a 5 year old to shoot a gun after playing games? (i know he might not be able to reach the pedals but i'm just trying to show the idea..)
whats wrong with teaching a 5 year old how to shoot??? if you ask me better to kill their curiosity with knowledge of what a firearm can do than spark their intrest with what it is...

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I see nothing wrong with a youngster learning how to shoot and hunt. I wish I were taught when I was that age.

Firearms and children....if a child is taught to respect the firearm, which that 5 yr old was, you don't have those accidental shootings. I raised 3 children...all around loaded firearms. No once did my children touch the gun without my permission nor did any of thier friends. People who get all nutted up because there is a gun in the house then have a heart attack because its loaded have no business being around a firearm. The show off jack ass is a learned behaivor...whether it's from watching t.v. but more likely from watching "daddy" being a jack ass around a firearm.

When my children were young and a parent asked me if I had a gun in the house and what is my policy...they'd get a big "None of your business". from me. Could be you're a crook using your kid to case my place.
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I was raised around firearms and was shooting accurately by the age of 7. I have never thought about using a firearm in anger or to brag about my "GATS". My mother would get me out of school in MN to go hunting with the family in Montana. I brought all of my school work with me and was only allowed to hunt if it was 3/4 done by the time we reached my Grandmas house in Glasgow.

Their are several problems I see with most kids today. They are trying to grow up way to fast and in the process dealing the stresses adults deal with on a day to day basis. No matter how strong a kid (18 and under) thinks they are they are still not capable and/or responsible enough to handling most adult stresses without having some kind of a breakdown.

I also see that they have never been held accountable for their actions. Everything they (generic term am not trying to offend anyone) have done wrong has been met with a clinical diagnosis of some sort of disorder and are told that their issues make everything they do OK. Hell every adult on this forum knows that we went through some of these same problems that come with growing from child to adult but were never told that our acting out was ok because we have issues. Nope...we had our butts wore out and usually never did it again.

The last problem I see is that most kids today are getting their education from the internet, video games, and even from some violent tv shows. This is usually because either both parents have to work to make ends meet or it is a single parent home.

So that all being said. I believe teaching your kids the proper use and respect of firearms is the best way prevent an accident from happening. I also believe that a parent needs to know their child so well that if a change in behavior is noticed something needs to be done. In my childhood I had no rights except the right to enjoy a happy non violent life. All other "Constitutional" rights were given to me when I reached voting age. So if my parents thought I was depressed and might do something stupid my bedroom door came off the hinges and they kept an eye on me closely. I had no recourse because my parents knew what was right for me. I would have hated to see the fireworks if I stood up and told my mother I had a right to my privacy and to F&^%-off.

Bottom line the Guns are not the "evil" in these situations that have been happening in the world. If I set a gun on the ground and it is never touched IT will sit there and rust. The world needs to repair the cause not the symptoms. Kids acting like idiots and criminals is a symptom. Another way of putting it. Your Jeep keeps throwing a belt. Do you just keep replacing the belt or do you fix the real problem.

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