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Old 04-04-2012, 05:54 PM   #1
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Time to get real (way off topic)

Well, I've been on the forum since October, but I've been a Jeep lover since I was a kid. Dad drove a CJ5 and a CJ7 when I was little. I've wanted one since I was 3. The first vehicle I took a ride in was a Jeep. Yes, I was brought home in the CJ5. When I was 14, I had my first vehicle picked out. A Wrangler. If things hadn't gone downhill for my parents in the time it took me to turn 16, they would have gotten me one. My mom still wishes they could have, I wanted it so bad.

Now, at 30 years old, it's time for me to pick out my first new vehicle. In a month or so, due to a doctor's negligence, we will have the money to buy me any vehicle I want. My first thought was JKU. Afterall, I've got 2 kids. Have been looking at them since August. Test drove several, a couple in each trim level, Sport, Sport S, Sahara, and Rubicon. Had decided on a Rubicon in October, after a little research thanks to the wonderful WF.

Then in December, my life changed. I met the woman of my dreams on December 22nd. Told her in January that I love her. She told me in February that she loves me. It's funny how things change when you just know it's right. Neither of us were ever going to get married again. Now I have her rings picked out and she has her dress picked out. Neither of us were going to have more kids. We've picked out names. She makes me choke up everytime she tells me she loves me.

As I said, I've got 2 kids. She has 3. Together, that makes it 7 of us, with an 8th to come in a few years. We have both agreed that it makes no sense for us to take two vehicles everywhere we go. Therefore, I'm in the market for a large SUV. I've narrowed down my search to the Ford Expedition EL and the Chevy Suburban. Currently, she drives an older model Maxima and I drive an '04 Trailblazer (inherited and I probably won't sell or trade it). We figure we would only need one large SUV, since most of the time, it would only be her kids (I don't have custody of either of mine, although I am going to try to get custody of my son). I have test driven both an Expedition and a Suburban and like both of them. However, you see alot more old Suburbans than old Expeditions. I haven't looked into the history, maybe the Expedition hasn't been around long. I know the Explorer is considerably easy to flip and I wonder if the Expedition might be the same way.

Here's what I'm looking for. 4x4, tow package, fully loaded, built-in nav, 8 passenger seating instead of 7 (second row bench). And something that will last. Built online, I can get the prices within $800 of each other the way I want them. The major advantage the Suburban has is it has an option for built in DVD entertainment. With 5 kids currently, I want DVD. If I get the Expedition, I could get flip-down monitors and a DVD player and install them myself, but I'm not sure how I feel about cutting into a brand new $55k vehicle. Plus it will cost more than the $800 difference between the two.

Like I said, I drive a Chevy. It has 116k on it and the only thing it has needed is tires, a shift cable, and a water pump. Not even the common problem with the fuel pump.

I found a dealer 70 miles away from where I am now and 150 miles away from where I'll be moving that commonly gets Expeditions in on trade. As long as the vehicle has less than 100k on the clock and passes a rigorous inspection, they give it a lifetime powertrain warranty. $100 for a new motor or transmission on a vehicle if it EVER fails. That's hard to pass up. I haven't found a single Chevy dealer that does that. At the same time, I have a very good friend that is a GM mechanic that told me he would have no problem changing out an engine or transmission for me if I ever needed a new/rebuilt one.

So my question to you fine people of WF is this. If you were choosing between an Expedition and a Suburban, which would you choose? I know Chevy has a reliability factor that I haven't heard of in a Ford. But when it comes down to it, I like them both. I don't want to get on a Chevy or Ford forum and ask this question, because I know how the answers will be swayed on each. Plus I LIKE the ladies and gentlemen on WF alot more than any other forum I've been on.

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my 2 cents, i had a chevy P\U sold it at 450 thousand miles... i cant say enough good about that truck it owed me nothing. ( i wish i kept it ) the LS motors gm uses are damn near perfect in every way.

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Old 04-04-2012, 06:17 PM   #3
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Thank you for the opinion, GM. I know the Chevy engines are seriously dependable. A lady my mom works with drives a Suburban with 300k on it. Thing looks ragged, but still runs like a champ. There again, she has less than taken care of it. I've had one Chevy in the past, a 98 Lumina. Blew the head gasket with 180k on it. Still sold it for $1k, even with the buyer knowing the HG was blown.
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:28 PM   #4
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i don't comprehend the dvd in a vehicle.

did your parents have a dvd in a vehicle when you were a kid? no.
did it harm your development? no.

aren't we past consumerism yet? after the crash of 2006?
get what you need. and more importantly, raise your kids to be content with what they need.

i'm sorry i'm not going back to what began in 1985 and ran amok for 2 solid decades.

my wrangler has handcrank windows, manual door locks, no alarm system to go berzerk in a crowded parking lot when i'm just trying to load groceries in the back and the thing won't shut off.
and i love it more than nearly all other vehicles i have, except back when i owned a 1973 oldsmobile, and a 1970 chevy - i loved those as much.


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I don't know about the newer suburban but we have an 05 I think. It's beautiful runs great everything is perfect. Never has issues. Consider getting an older suburban and a play jeep? For 55k it would be easy.
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:56 PM   #6
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Get the Chevy, traded my wife's 4x4 Surburban when it had 229.000 miles, it never used oil, never any major things to go wrong with it, only reason we traded was that it needed the AC compressor replaced. We down sized for a Jeep Grand Cherokee, she wants another Chevy! Hope the JGC lasts as long as the Chevy.
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I don't know about the newer suburban but we have an 05 I think. It's beautiful runs great everything is perfect. Never has issues. Consider getting an older suburban and a play jeep? For 55k it would be easy.
I thought about that, I'm not going to lie. But as I'm also keeping my dad's Trailblazer, I don't particularly want to have to insure 3 vehicles. Two will be bad enough, and that's with dropping the TB to liability.

I'll be going to school starting probably this fall for either my BS Nursing or my BS Respiratory Therapy (depending on where I move). I'll also be working full time. 99% chance I'll be moving in with the gf, so it won't be too bad. I'll basically be able to cover my child support, my insurance, and my food while I'm in school. Unless, of course, I can find a job as a weldor that will work with me going to school (highly unlikely).

Plan currently is to buy a new(er) vehicle now, since that's what mom wants me to do (her money, her rules). When I get out of school, she's going to give me the money to make a downpayment on a nice house. Waiting until I'm out of school so I can afford a mortgage payment (although a mortgage is usually cheaper than rent, but the gf is already buying her home, so...). Then, once I'm established and can afford to make a monthly car payment, buy a used JKU and build it. Gf doesn't want me to give up on the dream of owning a Jeep for her, but we both agree that for now a large SUV is the best choice.

If I was willing to sell my dad's Trailblazer, things would be different. But that was the first vehicle I can remember my dad keeping for more than two years. He loved that thing and made is expressly clear that I inherit it and not my brother (long story).
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Old 04-04-2012, 08:00 PM   #8
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152,000 on my '02 Tahoe. Last summer had the first issues (fuel pump, driver seat, and trans). So I spent $4k to fix her up. Far less than the down payment on a new Tahoe! GM all the way!
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Get the Chevy, traded my wife's 4x4 Surburban when it had 229.000 miles, it never used oil, never any major things to go wrongn with it, only reason we traded was that it needed the AC compressor replaced. We down sized for a Jeep Grand Cherokee, she wants another Chevy! Hope the JGC lasts as long as the Chevy.
That's the kind of response I was expecting by starting this thread. I know that the Chevys have a longer history than the Fords, especially when it comes to lasting forever. I've seen more older Suburbans in the past couple of weeks (since I've been looking out for them) than I ever thought would be around.
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Buy a yj, build it in your garage and trailer it

Actually you sound like you have your plate full. Best to wait. I think your right.
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Buy a yj, build it in your garage and trailer it

Actually you sound like you have your plate full. Best to wait. I think your right.
I've got a buddy that has a TJ, bone stock, 53k on the clock, 4.0, manual, never been on more than a flat dirt road. Will sell it to me dirt cheap, if I want it. Would be a great one to build, but with the way Arkansas laws are, even if I trailered it everywhere, I'd have to be on private property to not be required to have insurance on it. Liability wouldn't be much, but I'm just scared it would push me over the edge just a little.

Yeah, as I look back on what I wrote, it does sound like I have my plate full. And I guess I really do. If I was content (and if my eyes could handle) being a weldor for the rest of my life, things would look a little different. But I've always wanted to do something in the medical field. I've been a professional weldor since I was 14. It's getting old quick. And truth be known, since I can't TIG for sh!t, there's very little money in it in this economy and this state. I've thought about moving to Houston, where I can get good pay for my skills, but I'd lose visitation with my children. That is one thing I am NOT willing to give up for anything.
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Yeah man that's all a tough situation. But you sound like your planning to make the best of it. Thts all we can really do.
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Went and saw my friend with the TJ today. He's decided to keep it and build it up and wants my help. LOL So there goes that option, completely. I had started to give some consideration to going ahead and buying it and just keeping it garaged until I could afford to insure it.
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Eff it... Buy two JKUs and weld them together!!!! Make a JKU-Extreme Edition (limo!) hahaha

dont like silver?....



And u even have room in the backseat to work on making more babies ... Lol


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I know the Explorer is considerably easy to flip and I wonder if the Expedition might be the same way.
Where the heck did you come up with that nonsense?
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Where the heck did you come up with that nonsense?
most likely came from when all them under inflated firestone tires were blowing out and people slammed on the brakes and turned hard left.
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Where the heck did you come up with that nonsense?
I'm sorry!

Actually, that came from the Ford dealer. Told me that a few model years had a bad problem with rollover. "Worse than a Jeep Wrangler" was how they described the problem. I scoffed at their reference to the Wrangler, but did understand where they were coming from.

I guess a little more research on my part is called for. Again, I appologize.

I wonder if it's obvious I respect anything Daggo says...
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Now just read the article. The issue, as GM stated, was with Firestone. That article also states that it was the 1999-2002 2 door model which has not been made in some time.
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i wouldn't if I were u.
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Now just read the article. The issue, as GM stated, was with Firestone. That article also states that it was the 1999-2002 2 door model which has not been made in some time.
Ya I read it. And yup I know it was the whole Firestone thingy.
@Rivershark The new Explorers are soooooo sexy looking!!!
Did u consider the Excursion? Those are HUGE!!
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just a side note, the limo company i drive for has lincion navigators ... there in the shop every other week, for electrical issues, tail gate opens when driving. wipers come on , horn blows. i refuse to drive the navigators.
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There u go @Rivershark..., even a limo building hook up for u!!! YOU'RE WELCOME!! ^.^ lol
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i wouldn't if I were u.
Yeah, no sense hearing from someone who has actually owned an Explorer.
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Ya I read it. And yup I know it was the whole Firestone thingy.
@Rivershark The new Explorers are soooooo sexy looking!!!
Did u consider the Excursion? Those are HUGE!!
The Excursion isn't in production anymore. I thought about trying to find one used, if I could get the diesel option, but haven't looked into it too much.

The Explorer is just a hair on the small side, as it's a 7-passenger vehicle and we're considering (just considering at this point) having a baby in a couple of years.

I probably need a van. LOL
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the limo company also has Explorer, its a good suv, 300% better than the navigator and 100000000000000000000000000000% better than the town car
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the limo company also has Explorer, its a good suv, 300% better than the navigator and 100000000000000000000000000000% better than the town car
I'm sorry, but I'm just not going to drop the kind of money they want for a Navigator, even IF it was the best vehcile on the road and would still run like brand new with a million miles on it.

Well, maybe if it would be guaranteed to make it to a million miles...
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The Excursion isn't in production anymore. I thought about trying to find one used, if I could get the diesel option, but haven't looked into it too much.

The Explorer is just a hair on the small side, as it's a 7-passenger vehicle and we're considering (just considering at this point) having a baby in a couple of years.

I probably need a van. LOL
Explorer a bit smaller than an excursion?
U mean Explorer a bit smaller than Expedition?
And ya I was thinking a Chevy van or something, boring but practical. U could get like a conversion type of van



Would be a lot more comfortable/practical
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Yeah, no sense hearing from someone who has actually owned an Explorer.
Well how would that help
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I know you're thinking about fitting everyone at once, but consider how often, if ever, that would happen. I would look to buy for the 95% solution, not the 5%. A lot depends on the ages of the kids. When they hit their teen years they will be headed in different directions at different times. Her 3 and the two of you makes 5, with the other 2 on occasion. Will her 3 always be there when your 2 are? When, and if, another comes along, how old will the others be? You may be picking up one and losing another. (in the realm of family transportation)

These are just some of the varibles that make it hard to give you solid advice without knowing.

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