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Old 11-21-2009, 06:14 PM   #1
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To the 3 soldiers being held for murder.

I hope for the sake of this country the other guy who ratted you out burns in hell. Yes he served his country. Yes I am grateful for what he did but to cope a plea and get immunity is just wrong. I have no doubt in my mind that I would of done the same thing too. It is your life or there's. The military needs to re-due there line of work. IF you want them to be cops over there then send in MP's to handle the police side of it don't make a soldier who has been in a firefight for his life for 5 plus hours then try and collect evidence so them men they captured are not back on the street in 48 hours taking shots at you again. I am getting fed up with our political system writing the rules behind a desk and bullet proof glass here in the states. Put them on the ground in Baghdad for a week walking and then let them rethink how to let our soldiers do there job. Here is the link if you want to see it.

Army tapes reveal motive in Iraq prisoner killings - CNN.com

To our military brothers and sisters keep up the great work and keep your heads down. Come home safe.

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Old 11-21-2009, 06:28 PM   #2
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I sorry, I'm sure its frustrating, but you still can't just drive prisoners out to a canal and execute them.

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IF it was that or watching my buddy die next me 3 days later because the Iraqis let those men back out there would be a completely different set of things going on. My uncle did 3 different tours to Iraq and Afghanistan. He has talk very little bout it but he watched guys they picked up 3 days earlier then firing at them time and time again. I would rather have them die then one of my buddies next to me at all costs if they can't be locked up.
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Son of a bi-ch!!! Why the hell does this crap get released! All this crap about being transparent is a crock!! What happened to keeping it in shop. The military should not have to devulg any info! This is giving the enemy fuel. War is not pretty! People need to stop having bleeding hearts! These are the enemy! Give them a chance and they will kill you. They have done it before and they will do it again. IT PISSES ME OFF! When did the military become so political? Because of this weakness we had a Major in the Army that was a muslim that gave warning flags kill fellow soldiers, I take that back I do not consider him a soldier he is a traitor and should be shot on site. Unless they have changed (they probably did) the law of war you are shot for being a traitor or deserter in the time of war. Anyway back to what I was saying... because no one wanted to offend him nothing was said and this is what we got in return.
I am sick and tired of our government being worried about what everyone thinks. We as a country will never be liked by all!!! That is just the way it is. I am sickened by the President bowing to foreign leaders, being a yes man and trying to be everyones friend. Our leader should never bow or show any type of submission to any country. Has he decided on more troops? My guys are dieing over there and he is parading around the world sniffing peoples asses and licking thier toes. What a frickin ass!!!!!! I knew this was going to happen.
I still hear people saying how great he is and how he has turned things around. Frickin open your eyes!! We are being destroyed from within.
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Sorry for the bad spelling but I am pissed. Takes a lot to get me there but this crap pisses me off. I can only ignore so much.
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^95 percent of that I agree with
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I know it's charged but please keep the language in check guys or I'll be forced to can the thread.
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I have not had the chance to deploy yet. But hearing stories i have heard from multiple people, IMO the three SGTs did the right thing. Im with you tlrrob, it should have stayed in the shop. Being in the military today you cant do anything without someone informing the chain. Even if it is something small like underage drinking, not saying i support or have done that.
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This is really upsetting . . . our soldiers should not be put in this position. If we are there to fight a war then that's what we should be doing, not acting like Police. The only thing I don't understand is why the soldiers detained them in the first place to take them to the canal to kill them. I guess it's probably just due to the frustration, knowing they'll be out and shooting at you again next week . . . I just don't understand why they didn't just kill them to begin with. They were shooting at you . . . you found them . . . so you killed them on the spot . . . end of story right? Seems like the detaining them and then turning around and killing them is what makes this a sticky situation . . . although the policy may be to blame, I can understand some discipline action being necessary for this type of action. Perhaps this will send a clear message to the rest of the troops . . . screw detaining . . . if somebody is shooting at you, kill them on the spot.
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This is really upsetting . . . our soldiers should not be put in this position. If we are there to fight a war then that's what we should be doing, not acting like Police. The only thing I don't understand is why the soldiers detained them in the first place to take them to the canal to kill them. I guess it's probably just due to the frustration, knowing they'll be out and shooting at you again next week . . . I just don't understand why they didn't just kill them to begin with. They were shooting at you . . . you found them . . . so you killed them on the spot . . . end of story right? Seems like the detaining them and then turning around and killing them is what makes this a sticky situation . . . although the policy may be to blame, I can understand some discipline action being necessary for this type of action. Perhaps this will send a clear message to the rest of the troops . . . screw detaining . . . if somebody is shooting at you, kill them on the spot.
The rules of engagement have created a quagmire for our soldiers. From what I have surmised, listening to Cain, soldiers these days (in certain branches, Army being one of them) cannot simply return fire. They must call in for permission. This has caused this sort of grey area leaving our boys open to being tried in the media because people assume time passing means the threat is lessened.

Hesitation in terms of your life being threatened should never be forced. When training physically to defend yourself with whatever weapon you have, you are trained to use it without hesitating. Imagine being told when the real life situation presents itself that you have to ask permission before using your skills.

The hands of our military are tied, and every day the ropes get tighter.
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. . . soldiers these days cannot simply return fire. They must call in for permission.

Hesitation in terms of your life being threatened should never be forced.


How comforting for those mothers and fathers who have sons and daughters over there getting shot at to know that their children have to ask for permission to defend their life. This is ridiculous. I'm sure the detaining of these radicals works great . . . I'm sure they are fully rehabilitated and would never think to harm our soldiers again Who comes up with this crap
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The "right" thing to do would have been to execute them where you found them...not capture, transport, then execute.

I do not think they should be held for murder though....as its a war, people die....those guys are not "identifiable soldiers" thus Geneva convention has nothing to do with how they are treated.

I completely support the US Sgt's actions.
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I just watched the WWII in HD special on the history channel and they had a mention of the same type of incident. There is no easy answer for these guys situation. They should not be punished for protecting their brothers in arms. Doesn't make sense to me that you train a person to kill on the battlefield and then punish him for doing just that. If they would have killed them on the spot they would still be dead and no one would have thought twice about whether they were right or not. What a terrible job it must be to be a combat soldier and have to worry about defending your actions under these circumstances. Its just another reason to mention these men and women when you set down on Thanksgiving Day.

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