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Old 09-06-2008, 12:42 AM   #1
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true duals exhaust

if i were to make a set of true duals for my van , would it still pass emissions? its a 2000 astro so it'd have to take them, no way around it...and i'd still run cats and mufflers.....

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Depends on how your state does emissions. If its a 2000, here in Maryland they don't sniff the exhaust, only run a scanner on your OBD II system. Technically you cannot modify the exhaust before the muffler here legally, but no codes and they usually don't check. If you start getting codes from the O2 sensors, just use an O2 simulator and you should be good to go Short version, dual is illegal, but depending on your state you may get away with it.

On a side note, the 4.3L V6 sounds pretty good with the right exhaust work, but does get a little raspy up top like any other V6.

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Can't polish a turd. Why put dual exhaust on an Astro? If the money's burning a hole in your pocket, why not spend it on the Jeep? Or send it to me.
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Depends on how your state does emissions. If its a 2000, here in Maryland they don't sniff the exhaust, only run a scanner on your OBD II system. Technically you cannot modify the exhaust before the muffler here legally, but no codes and they usually don't check. If you start getting codes from the O2 sensors, just use an O2 simulator and you should be good to go Short version, dual is illegal, but depending on your state you may get away with it.

On a side note, the 4.3L V6 sounds pretty good with the right exhaust work, but does get a little raspy up top like any other V6.
where could i get said O2 simulator?? and glad to hear it should sound pretty good
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Can't polish a turd. Why put dual exhaust on an Astro? If the money's burning a hole in your pocket, why not spend it on the Jeep? Or send it to me.
well, the thing is, neither of the jeeps in my signature are mine...ones my sister's one's my moms...and i ain't spending the money on them...plus my friends dad does piping and such and has tons of piping sitting around his shop in just about any size, so all id have to pay for is new cats and mufflers...
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Hey guys, everyone has their quirks. At least his mods will get used, Scout

nvr-enough, you will not need an 02 simulator unless you are using high flow cats, or no cats at all, and are popping a SES light. If you DO go high flow cat / no cat route and you are popping a code, you will loose performance from the PCM and obviously fail emissions. Keep in mind though, if the emission station gets curious and looks underneath your van, they might notice your lack of cats or aftermarket exhaust and fail the van. This only works for lazy workers, and mainly just helps keep the PCM out of a limp mode and the annoying SES light off the dash. You can purchase these from any performance shop or places like JC whitney. O2 Simulator, GM 4 Wire (1996-2003) is a good place for GMs, but your going to need to crawl under the van and see which type you need. Ebay would also be a good choice, just do a search for 02 simulator 4 wire, or whatever type you need.

Also keep in mind NVR, that you will loose performance with a dual set up if you do it too big. The 4.3L is a 5.7 with two cylinders chopped off, but it still doesn't need a huge exhaust set up in stock trim. Too much and you will loose back pressure. That engine likes back pressure You will probably gain better sound and performance out of a full single exhaust with a dual out on the muffler, than a true dual set up. Since you are young, you are going to do it anyway, so just make sure the guy doing it knows his stuff. Most performance single kits are 2.5-3" setups. From my experience, a 3" with a V6 is too much. Sounds good, but you do loose some torque going that large. So, if a single exhaust set up is 2.5", obviously you don't want to go larger than that, TOTAL, with a dual set up. Meaning each side is going to be 1 1/4 or so. It doesn't seem right on paper, so talk to your exhaust guy and see what he thinks. Either way, your not going to go 3" on both sides
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Hey guys, everyone has their quirks. At least his mods will get used, Scout

nvr-enough, you will not need an 02 simulator unless you are using high flow cats, or no cats at all, and are popping a SES light. If you DO go high flow cat / no cat route and you are popping a code, you will loose performance from the PCM and obviously fail emissions. Keep in mind though, if the emission station gets curious and looks underneath your van, they might notice your lack of cats or aftermarket exhaust and fail the van. This only works for lazy workers, and mainly just helps keep the PCM out of a limp mode and the annoying SES light off the dash. You can purchase these from any performance shop or places like JC whitney. O2 Simulator, GM 4 Wire (1996-2003) is a good place for GMs, but your going to need to crawl under the van and see which type you need. Ebay would also be a good choice, just do a search for 02 simulator 4 wire, or whatever type you need.

Also keep in mind NVR, that you will loose performance with a dual set up if you do it too big. The 4.3L is a 5.7 with two cylinders chopped off, but it still doesn't need a huge exhaust set up in stock trim. Too much and you will loose back pressure. That engine likes back pressure You will probably gain better sound and performance out of a full single exhaust with a dual out on the muffler, than a true dual set up. Since you are young, you are going to do it anyway, so just make sure the guy doing it knows his stuff. Most performance single kits are 2.5-3" setups. From my experience, a 3" with a V6 is too much. Sounds good, but you do loose some torque going that large. So, if a single exhaust set up is 2.5", obviously you don't want to go larger than that, TOTAL, with a dual set up. Meaning each side is going to be 1 1/4 or so. It doesn't seem right on paper, so talk to your exhaust guy and see what he thinks. Either way, your not going to go 3" on both sides
so you think i should run the factor y pipe into the factory cat, then split it and put two mufflers on, or run it through one muffler then split it? understand what i'm asking?
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I understand what you are asking. It depends how much you want to spend. If it was my van, I would run a high flow cat, to an upgraded (Read larger) Y pipe, to a single in, dual out muffler, with two 3" chrome angle cut tips coming out the rear

That would sound the best. Or just do the factory cat, to and aftermarket Y pipe/muffler etc. But the high flow cat will make a noticeable difference in tone and noise levels.
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I understand what you are asking. It depends how much you want to spend. If it was my van, I would run a high flow cat, to an upgraded (Read larger) Y pipe, to a single in, dual out muffler, with two 3" chrome angle cut tips coming out the rear

That would sound the best. Or just do the factory cat, to and aftermarket Y pipe/muffler etc. But the high flow cat will make a noticeable difference in tone and noise levels.
ok...thats kinda what i'm thinking, how much is a new cat and muffler gonna cost me? and do most car run a y pipe right after the headers or go two cats then the y pipe? cause my van runs one side of the pipes right under the trans and meets the other side and then they go into the cat as one pipe.....i can probably get some pics in a little bit...
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Sidepipes, FTW!!! Where is that Will Ferrell clip w/ the old black Dodge Van w/ sidepipes doing a burnout when I need it?

Seriously, I'm sure it can be done, but unless you NEED some exhaust work, I'd probably pass, unless you need a little better breathing to tow or something..
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Sidepipes, FTW!!! Where is that Will Ferrell clip w/ the old black Dodge Van w/ sidepipes doing a burnout when I need it?

Seriously, I'm sure it can be done, but unless you NEED some exhaust work, I'd probably pass, unless you need a little better breathing to tow or something..
you mean this?
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ok...thats kinda what i'm thinking, how much is a new cat and muffler gonna cost me? and do most car run a y pipe right after the headers or go two cats then the y pipe? cause my van runs one side of the pipes right under the trans and meets the other side and then they go into the cat as one pipe.....i can probably get some pics in a little bit...
Most trucks/cars or what have you go MANIFOLDS (headers are usually aftermarket, most vehicles use manifolds from the factory), Y pipe, I pipe with cat on I pipe, maybe an over axle pipe, than muffler and tip/tips. Obviously it depends on the vehicle, how the suspension and everything is setup.

Muffler for your van (you would probably buy one for a S10 truck/blazer and make it work, ask your exhaust guy) would probably run about 70-100 bucks. Aftermarket cats usually run about 130 ish, and the rest of the exhaust he would make with his piping. That's just a rough guess though, based one what I have paid in the past.

You could always just put a cutout in before or after the cat, for when you want some more sound. The electric ones have really come a long way, and don't break or jam as much as the old ones used to, and then of course you can just get the cheap ones with butterfly screws. I am assuming you just want some more noise since your young, and you don't really care about performance in a 220hp astro van. That would be your best option for sound. You could even keep all the factory piping, maybe have him change the piping after the cat and put a muffler on for louder normal sound, than put in a cut out before or after the cat for when you really want to get obnoxious If you put the cutout before the cat though, you WILL need an O2 simulator after the cat, unless you don't mind the SES light coming on when the cutout is open.
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Most trucks/cars or what have you go MANIFOLDS (headers are usually aftermarket, most vehicles use manifolds from the factory), Y pipe, I pipe with cat on I pipe, maybe an over axle pipe, than muffler and tip/tips. Obviously it depends on the vehicle, how the suspension and everything is setup.

Muffler for your van (you would probably buy one for a S10 truck/blazer and make it work, ask your exhaust guy) would probably run about 70-100 bucks. Aftermarket cats usually run about 130 ish, and the rest of the exhaust he would make with his piping. That's just a rough guess though, based one what I have paid in the past.

You could always just put a cutout in before or after the cat, for when you want some more sound. The electric ones have really come a long way, and don't break or jam as much as the old ones used to, and then of course you can just get the cheap ones with butterfly screws. I am assuming you just want some more noise since your young, and you don't really care about performance in a 220hp astro van. That would be your best option for sound. You could even keep all the factory piping, maybe have him change the piping after the cat and put a muffler on for louder normal sound, than put in a cut out before or after the cat for when you really want to get obnoxious If you put the cutout before the cat though, you WILL need an O2 simulator after the cat, unless you don't mind the SES light coming on when the cutout is open.
yea, i meant manifold, i knew that headers were after market, but i couldn't think of the word....and yea my vans manifolds connect right at the front of the cat, the after the cat go through the muffler, which is the size of texas, an then over the axle and angle out the one side...

and thanks for the extra hp, but my vans only rated at 190 hp

So go through the stock manifolds into cut out, then through a high flow cat then into a a high flow muffler (1 in 2 out) and then duals!? sounds like fun to me i'll post up some pics right now of the under side and maybe make a drawing to show the trouble areas...
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yea, i meant manifold, i knew that headers were after market, but i couldn't think of the word....and yea my vans manifolds connect right at the front of the cat, the after the cat go through the muffler, which is the size of texas, an then over the axle and angle out the one side...

and thanks for the extra hp, but my vans only rated at 190 hp

So go through the stock manifolds into cut out, then through a high flow cat then into a a high flow muffler (1 in 2 out) and then duals!? sounds like fun to me i'll post up some pics right now of the under side and maybe make a drawing to show the trouble areas...
Pretty much. Keep in mind, the cut out doesn't take up space like a muffler or a cat. It just welds to the side of an existing pipe. Plus, I may have not been clear enough before, you don't need to do any other exhaust work after the cutout unless you want the van to be louder when the cutout is closed. With the cutout open, you will have open exhaust. Think of it like running a straight pipe off the manifolds when you want, than being able to close it and running full exhaust to keep you out of a ticket The only problem I see with your drawing is the tips. It looks like your pipe man is going to have to make a dual over the axle pipe. Those can be tricky depending on how the undercarriage is set up, but it can be done.
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Pretty much. Keep in mind, the cut out doesn't take up space like a muffler or a cat. It just welds to the side of an existing pipe. Plus, I may have not been clear enough before, you don't need to do any other exhaust work after the cutout unless you want the van to be louder when the cutout is closed. With the cutout open, you will have open exhaust. Think of it like running a straight pipe off the manifolds when you want, than being able to close it and running full exhaust to keep you out of a ticket The only problem I see with your drawing is the tips. It looks like your pipe man is going to have to make a dual over the axle pipe. Those can be tricky depending on how the undercarriage is set up, but it can be done.
yea...and the spare tire hangs under right behind the rear axle so i'm not sure how i would get that side out and past the spare...so i'm thinking about something like this, right before the back tire:
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Don't laugh, I had a 75/76 Dodge B200 maxi-van, came from the factory with a 440 and holley 850, B&M 727 loadflight, 3:50 gears, I added Hookers and dual turbo mufflers. There were some very embarrased Vette and Transam owners round my area in the stop light to stop light arena.

I had it a month then ripped the driver seat base out of the floor during a hole shot.
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Don't laugh, I had a 75/76 Dodge B200 maxi-van, came from the factory with a 440 and holley 850, B&M 727 loadflight, 3:50 gears, I added Hookers and dual turbo mufflers. There were some very embarrased Vette and Transam owners round my area in the stop light to stop light arena.

I had it a month then ripped the driver seat base out of the floor during a hole shot.
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Don't laugh, I had a 75/76 Dodge B200 maxi-van, came from the factory with a 440 and holley 850, B&M 727 loadflight, 3:50 gears, I added Hookers and dual turbo mufflers. There were some very embarrased Vette and Transam owners round my area in the stop light to stop light arena.

I had it a month then ripped the driver seat base out of the floor during a hole shot.
Rich, that reminds me of a van I saw in ocean city, as well as my old S10 blazer. First the van. I was in OC with one of my Camaros, and part of our "club" was down there for a car show. I am sitting at the light, minding my business, and all the sudden I hear this INCREDIBLE V8 SCREAMING down the road coming up the light. All I could think of was an old rat rod or some hot hot hot V8 muscle car was coming up to school my camaro and me. I look over to my right, and you would never guess what it was. Some early/mid 80s ford Econoline type van, ALL primer, lowered to the ground, SUV type spoiler off the back, slicks in the read, skinnies in the front. I laughed my butt off. I figured it was just an old beater with cool tires, and chopped exhaust.

The thing was a built big block V8 with a blower and god knows what else. It had to be an 11 second van or better. It put lots of things to shame that weekend

I also had my own truck like that. 1993 S10 blazer, 2 door 2 wheel drive, 4.3L HO optional motor, no options other than power windows. The inside was litterally 2 buckets in the front, a bench in the rear, a cluster, radio, and heater controls. That was it. You could swim inside this thing If you were stopped and dropped the peddle, it would burn the tires shifting up into 3rd, and just sit there smoking until you let up. I don't know what the previous owner had done to it. All I know is it had 55,000 miles on it (this was back in 2003, so 10 years old), and he used it as a sleeper/weekend drag truck. It idle half way decent, but you could tell it had a mild cam in it if you listened hard enough, and when you started it, it liked to burn some blue smoke for a little while. Anyway, one of my buddies had a Frankenstein CRX and a sting ray vette that was basically stock minus exhaust and carbs. He always made fun of me for burning the tires in my "pos smoking SUV." So, one day we were both going to work (worked together too) and got caught at a light. I sat right next to that darn Sting Ray Vette all the way up to 90mph He never once said anything about my POS smoking SUV ever again. Too bad I sold it Some dude came up to my doorstep when I had my license suspended for stupid stuff, and offered $8,000 cash for the truck. Said he had a 4 door all chromed out that was a show truck, and wanted to build a 2 door. We only paid $3,500 for the blazer, so my pops let it go
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Rich, that reminds me of a van I saw in ocean city, as well as my old S10 blazer. First the van. I was in OC with one of my Camaros, and part of our "club" was down there for a car show. I am sitting at the light, minding my business, and all the sudden I hear this INCREDIBLE V8 SCREAMING down the road coming up the light. All I could think of was an old rat rod or some hot hot hot V8 muscle car was coming up to school my camaro and me. I look over to my right, and you would never guess what it was. Some early/mid 80s ford Econoline type van, ALL primer, lowered to the ground, SUV type spoiler off the back, slicks in the read, skinnies in the front. I laughed my butt off. I figured it was just an old beater with cool tires, and chopped exhaust.

The thing was a built big block V8 with a blower and god knows what else. It had to be an 11 second van or better. It put lots of things to shame that weekend

I also had my own truck like that. 1993 S10 blazer, 2 door 2 wheel drive, 4.3L HO optional motor, no options other than power windows. The inside was litterally 2 buckets in the front, a bench in the rear, a cluster, radio, and heater controls. That was it. You could swim inside this thing If you were stopped and dropped the peddle, it would burn the tires shifting up into 3rd, and just sit there smoking until you let up. I don't know what the previous owner had done to it. All I know is it had 55,000 miles on it (this was back in 2003, so 10 years old), and he used it as a sleeper/weekend drag truck. It idle half way decent, but you could tell it had a mild cam in it if you listened hard enough, and when you started it, it liked to burn some blue smoke for a little while. Anyway, one of my buddies had a Frankenstein CRX and a sting ray vette that was basically stock minus exhaust and carbs. He always made fun of me for burning the tires in my "pos smoking SUV." So, one day we were both going to work (worked together too) and got caught at a light. I sat right next to that darn Sting Ray Vette all the way up to 90mph He never once said anything about my POS smoking SUV ever again. Too bad I sold it Some dude came up to my doorstep when I had my license suspended for stupid stuff, and offered $8,000 cash for the truck. Said he had a 4 door all chromed out that was a show truck, and wanted to build a 2 door. We only paid $3,500 for the blazer, so my pops let it go
Mine was baby blue with Frank Frazetta murals winter murals on both sides [slider door], vans name was 'colder than Ice', I solved the seat problem by replacing it with a set of greasable swivel bases out of a 640 class fleet ballistic missile submarine missile control room seat, I was on a sub at the time out of Groton and I swapped a 15lb can of cashews and a 10lb can of coffee for both bases from one of the tender pukes, 40lbs each and bolted thru the floor to another piece of 1/4" steel plate, those babies never moved again, however I did end up replacing the seats a couple of times, can't win them all.
I remember going out on a 3 month patrol and coming home, van had 7,000 more miles on it than when I left, my parents had a ball with it that summer, from Maine to Florida, TWICE.... I miss that truck, the asshat I sold it to had it two weeks and rolled the thing, what a waste.
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Mine was baby blue with Frank Frazetta murals winter murals on both sides [slider door], vans name was 'colder than Ice', I solved the seat problem by replacing it with a set of greasable swivel bases out of a 640 class fleet ballistic missile submarine missile control room seat, I was on a sub at the time out of Groton and I swapped a 15lb can of cashews and a 10lb can of coffee for both bases from one of the tender pukes, 40lbs each and bolted thru the floor to another piece of 1/4" steel plate, those babies never moved again, however I did end up replacing the seats a couple of times, can't win them all.
I remember going out on a 3 month patrol and coming home, van had 7,000 more miles on it than when I left, my parents had a ball with it that summer, from Maine to Florida, TWICE.... I miss that truck, the asshat I sold it to had it two weeks and rolled the thing, what a waste.
yea, the day i sell my van is gonna be a sad day indeed but i still got it for as long as i want
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yea, the day i sell my van is gonna be a sad day indeed but i still got it for as long as i want
Well, your van has too many windows, I preferred my privacy

If this vans a rockin don't bother knockin...
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