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Old 03-09-2009, 03:54 PM   #1
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AP – Members of the U.S. Marine Corps Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team participate in a base defense drill … SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea put its troops on alert and cut the last hot line to Seoul on Monday as the American and South Korean militaries began joint maneuvers. The communist regime warned that even the slightest provocation could trigger war.

The North stressed that provocation would include any attempt to interfere with its impending launch of a satellite into orbit. U.S. and Japanese officials suspect the launch is a cover for a test of a long-range attack missile and have suggested they might move to intercept the rocket.

"Shooting our satellite for peaceful purposes will precisely mean a war," North Korea's military threatened in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency. Any interception attempt will draw "a just, retaliatory strike," it said.

The North has been on a steady retreat from reconciliation since President Lee Myung-bak took office in the South a year ago. After Lee said the North must continue dismantling its nuclear program if it wants aid, Pyongyang cut ties, suspended joint projects and stepped up its belligerence rhetoric.

"The danger of a military conflict is further increasing than ever before on the Korean Peninsula because of the saber rattling which involves armed forces huge enough to fight a war," the North's news agency warned as Pyongyang put its armed forces on standby for combat.

Allied commanders say the exercises are nothing more than the annual drills the two nations have held for years, while the North has been condemning them as a rehearsal for invasion.

Analysts say North Korea's heated words are designed to grab President Barack Obama's attention. With South Korea cutting off aid, the impoverished North is angling for a diplomatic coup of establishing direct ties with the U.S., analysts say.

For weeks, the North has said it is forging ahead with plans to send a communications satellite into space — a launch that U.S. and Japanese officials say would violate a U.N. Security Council resolution banning the North from testing ballistic missiles. That decree came after the North test-fired a long-range missile and conducted an underground nuclear weapon test in 2006.

Analysts say the launch could occur late this month or in early April, around the time North Korea's new parliament, elected Sunday, convenes its first session with leader Kim Jong Il at its helm.

Kim, 67, was among legislators unanimously elected to a five-year term, the North's state media said. Elections in North Korea are largely a formality, with the ruling Workers' Party hand-picking one candidate for each district and voters endorsing the sole nominee.

Observers were watching the results for signs of a shift in policy — or hints that Kim, who reportedly suffered a stroke last August, might be grooming a son to succeed him. None of his three sons appeared on a list of lawmakers announced on state TV late Monday.

In Seoul, Obama's special envoy on North Korea, Stephen Bosworth, urged Pyongyang not to fire a missile, which he said would be an "extremely ill-advised" move.

"Whether they describe it as a satellite launch or something else makes no difference," Bosworth said after talks with his South Korean counterpart on drawing Pyongyang back to international talks on the North's nuclear disarmament.

South Korea's Defense Ministry spokesman, Won Tae-jae, played down the North's threats as "rhetoric," but added that the country's military was ready to deal with any contingencies.

Hundreds of South Koreans were stranded in the northern border town of Kaesong after Pyongyang severed the last communications link between the two governments to protest the U.S.-South Korean military exercises that began Monday.

North Korea banned nearly all cross-border traffic in December amid deteriorating relations with Seoul but has allowed a skeleton staff of South Koreans to work at a joint industrial zone in Kaesong that is a crucial source of hard currency for the isolated communist regime.

The two Koreas use the hot line to coordinate the passage of people and goods through the heavily fortified Demilitarized Zone, and its suspension shut down traffic and stranded about 570 South Koreans north of the border.

All South Koreans in Kaesong are safe, Seoul's Unification Ministry said as it called on Pyongyang to restore communications.

Cutting the hot line for the duration of the 12-day U.S.-South Korean maneuvers leaves the two Koreas without any means of quick, direct communication at a time of high tension, when even an accidental skirmish could trigger fighting.

North and South Korea technically remain in a state of war since their 1950-53 conflict ended in a cease-fire, not a peace treaty. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers are massed on each side of the DMZ.

The United States, which has about 28,000 military personnel in South Korea, routinely holds joint military exercises with the South.

Last week, the North threatened danger to South Korean passenger planes flying near its airspace if the maneuvers went ahead, and several airlines rerouted their flights as a precaution.

Gen. Walter Sharp, the U.S. commander, said the joint exercises — involving some 26,000 U.S. troops, an unspecified number of South Korean soldiers and a U.S. aircraft carrier — are "not tied in any way to any political or real world event."

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We've been over there countless times to do training exercises with the South Koreans. We call it a "Show Of Force". It's a little reminder that the South is on our side. Lets the North know where we stand. Plus it's a fun place to do training exercises. The Soju doesn't hurt either.

The North is always bitching about our presence over there, that we're rehearsing an invasion. Blah, blah, blah. Nothing will come out of it. They're just blowing steam.

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Old 03-09-2009, 04:45 PM   #3
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I hope so. If they did do something about it we'd be in for an eye opener.
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You mean they would be in for an eye opener. The war between the Koreas has been in a cease-fire for over 50 years, but still in a state of war. North Korea has no friends anymore (even China has given up on them). The first attack from the North would hurt the south bad, but would be followed by the complete destruction of North Korea and they know it.
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Another proxy conflict in the works?
Look how China is testing us too:
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BEIJING, China (CNN) -- A U.S. surveillance ship violated Chinese and international laws during patrols more than 100 miles (160 kilometers) off the Chinese coast over the weekend, China's state-run media reported Tuesday.
"China has lodged serious representations with the United States, as the USNS Impeccable conducted activities in China's special economic zone in the South China Sea," said Ma Zhaoxu, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman. "We demand that the United States put an immediate stop to related activities and take effective measures to prevent similar acts from happening."

The response follows the Pentagon's contention Monday that Chinese ships harassed the U.S. vessel on Sunday in the latest of several instances of "increasingly aggressive conduct" in the past week.

During the incident, five Chinese vessels "shadowed and aggressively maneuvered in dangerously close proximity to USNS Impeccable, in an apparent coordinated effort to harass the U.S. ocean surveillance ship while it was conducting routine operations in international waters," the Pentagon said in a statement.
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We are in a weakened economic state. Our banks have sold bad assets to the world, we are out of money. Would be a good time to give us a swift kick in the balls.
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China pretty much owns us. We are begging them to keep financing our debt. They move so slowly I actually believe they will take us culturally long before any military action would make sense.

Russia, on the other hand, has benefited greatly from the commodities/energy advance and they are making imperialistic advances in South America as well as Europe. Talk now is of the Euro failing, which would be a huge blow to the western globalists.

What I forecast is a slow simmer on the resource wars where China will continue to make alliances based on other nations' ability to finance there ascension and expansion.

The turning point would be some international incident where another nation will have to take the lead role to settle the issue.

Caspian? Anyone?

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Yeah, but everyone's economy is doing bad too. China is in bad shape too.
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No one has it all under control. I’m just glad Wolfowitz isn’t president of the World Bank.

A waning super power can do little but try and gracefully back away from its leadership role. At least Hillary didn’t look into Putin’s eyes and have some spiritual experience and then talk it up on TV like a little school girl.
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Yeah, but everyone's economy is doing bad too. China is in bad shape too.
And we owe them a lot of money because they are buying up our T bills. They just agreed to buy fuel from Russia at a strong fixed rate and left us hanging in our requests.

How many times do you give the junky on the corner a quarter before you wise up?
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No one has it all under control.
Ever hear of sarcasm???

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Well thanks a lot! Now that my daughter has landed in Korea (today). Of course, I will hunt down anyone who lays an even hand on my child and conduct live weapon test on them. Maybe chemical test first, just for fun, then the weapons. As much as I hate to say it, we are due for some big trouble. Iraq and Afganistan are nothing compared to what we would have to deal with fighting the communist.
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Or the fascists within our own ranks. Have they not put us in this weakened position while the communists have moved in our direction?
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We are in a weakened economic state. Our banks have sold bad assets to the world, we are out of money. Would be a good time to give us a swift kick in the balls.
No argument about our weekened economy, however, we should (and hopefully will) always have the strongest military force in the World.

I understand the terrible predicament we are in with our debt, and lack of funds, however if we can somehow figure out how to finance a billion dollar b.s. stimulus bill, I am sure we can steal, print, and scrounge the dollars to muster a military attack and destroy North Korea, yes the cost (to our country and government, and futre fiscal state) would be unimaginable, but I'm sure we can do it.
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on another note, I just realized that the banner ad at the top of my screen after I posted that last comment was for "Korean Cupid"
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No argument about our weekened economy, however, we should (and hopefully will) always have the strongest military force in the World.

I understand the terrible predicament we are in with our debt, and lack of funds, however if we can somehow figure out how to finance a billion dollar b.s. stimulus bill, I am sure we can steal, print, and scrounge the dollars to muster a military attack and destroy North Korea, yes the cost (to our country and government, and futre fiscal state) would be unimaginable, but I'm sure we can do it.
Rome was sure they could do it to. Inability to imagine failure is largely what put us in this position.
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