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Old 01-30-2013, 12:25 PM   #151
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Ok so I've noticed when I really work my shoulders hard, the next day or so i get red lines (presumably broken Blood vessels) all over them running parallel with my muscles. Is this an indication that I'm working them too hard and should ease off or is it nothing to worry about. They disappear within a week.

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Ok so I've noticed when I really work my shoulders hard, the next day or so i get red lines (presumably broken Blood vessels) all over them running parallel with my muscles. Is this an indication that I'm working them too hard and should ease off or is it nothing to worry about. They disappear within a week.
Probably not healthy lol. Possibly over stretching the muscle if you are getting something like that. Maybe post a picture next time?

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nothing wrong with eating some fat. You can gain body fat from excess fats, proteins, or carbohydrates. They will all add fat or muscle no matter what if you eat more calories than you expend in a day. Fat is needed in the body, all your horomones and many other processes in the body are made from or are dependant on fat.

As far as good fat and bad, to expand upon what whetstone said, you want to avoid trans fat most of all, and you should prefer unsaturated fats of saturated fats. Basically an unsaturated fat has double or triple bonds in the carbon chain that makes up the fatty acid, and is more easily broken down. Saturated fats are all single bonded and filled with hydrogens and are most stable. Saturated fats are also linked to higher cholesterol.

If you are an active person and exercise, a few grams of fat aren't going to hurt you and will honestly help you. The big thing about diet is that you eat enough to get stronger, and eat quality. good whole food, not too much processing, quality protein, and good fats. Macros can be important but food quality should be addressed first.
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The pic is turned on me but you can see the lines. And that's faded. I last worked my shoulders on saturday
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Looks like my stretch marks. But if they only appear after you lift and go away then you can rule out stretch marks, must be something else
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The pic is turned on me but you can see the lines. And that's faded. I last worked my shoulders on saturday
Those look like "hickey" lines. The pad on the squat bar does that to me sometimes. If that's the case, I wouldn't worry.
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Yeah that doesn't look great... They aren't stretch marks are they? They are actually like broken blood vessels?

What do your shoulder workouts look like? I'll post you a pic of stretch marks to compare yours too. I'm trying to decide from your picture.
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Took a minute to figure out what you were showing....lol! I have those, too.
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Those look like "hickey" lines. The pad on the squat bar does that to me sometimes. If that's the case, I wouldn't worry.
Nah I got them after shoulder workout
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Yeah that doesn't look great... They aren't stretch marks are they? They are actually like broken blood vessels?

What do your shoulder workouts look like? I'll post you a pic of stretch marks to compare yours too. I'm trying to decide from your picture.
not stretch marks they only show up when I exhaust my shoulders and then disappear entirely in about a week
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Took a minute to figure out what you were showing....lol! I have those, too.
yeah i had to stop for a sec and think to lol
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What do your workouts look like? and yeah my camera flipped the pic. I didn't think you guys wanted to see the ones on my hip flexors or hammies hahaha.
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What do your workouts look like? and yeah my camera flipped the pic. I didn't think you guys wanted to see the ones on my hip flexors or hammies hahaha.
hard to say I kinda just wing it really. I need to sit down and work out a routine for myself someday
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Good fats are still fats though. Try to limit your intake on the fats, rather, aim for whole grain products. They are high in carbs, but since they complex carbs they burn much slower rather than white bread products, so it will keep you full longer. This includes brown rice, whole wheat pasta and bread. Im also a fan of skinless, boneless chicken breasts. 4 oz contain 1.5 grams of fat and 26 grams of protein.

My best investment? A george foreman grill. I can cook anything i want in a matter of 6 minutes. Its convenience helps keeps me motivated in sticking with my diet
I'm 180* opposite of this. I try to limit carbs to 100 grams/day, more or less, eat roughly 250 grams of protien, and round out my caloric needs with natural fats. Carbs, all carbs, cause an insulin spike in the body, causing fat storage. We have a whole country full of fat people on a low fat diet...
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I'm 180* opposite of this. I try to limit carbs to 100 grams/day, more or less, eat roughly 250 grams of protien, and round out my caloric needs with natural fats. Carbs, all carbs, cause an insulin spike in the body, causing fat storage. We have a whole country full of fat people on a low fat diet...

True enough. I just eat healthy and lift a lot, things have a way of working themselves out. I used to pay attention to nutrients and macros but learned to know them by heart I guess, so I just kinda know what I am eating now.
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I'm 180* opposite of this. I try to limit carbs to 100 grams/day, more or less, eat roughly 250 grams of protien, and round out my caloric needs with natural fats. Carbs, all carbs, cause an insulin spike in the body, causing fat storage. We have a whole country full of fat people on a low fat diet...
100 grams of carbs is plenty fine. I once was given the terrible information of going carb free and all protein. I was so skinny lost strength and had no energy. I highly recommend sweet potatoes, veggies, quinoa, whole wheat rice, fruit etc. for your carbs. Stay away from white breads and sugars.
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True enough. I just eat healthy and lift a lot, things have a way of working themselves out. I used to pay attention to nutrients and macros but learned to know them by heart I guess, so I just kinda know what I am eating now.
I don't count either. I spent enough time doing it that I can pretty much intuitively know what I'm eating.
Arch, you can go carb-free and maintain energy by making up the calories with fats. It takes a few days to adjust, but alot of people shed bodyfat fast this way.
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I don't count either. I spent enough time doing it that I can pretty much intuitively know what I'm eating.
Arch, you can go carb-free and maintain energy by making up the calories with fats. It takes a few days to adjust, but alot of people shed bodyfat fast this way.
Same here. and Yup very true. My macros are more like 200 g carb 150 protein 75-100 fat realistically.
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I don't count either. I spent enough time doing it that I can pretty much intuitively know what I'm eating.
Arch, you can go carb-free and maintain energy by making up the calories with fats. It takes a few days to adjust, but alot of people shed bodyfat fast this way.
This is very true and I know alot of people who lose weight through no/low carb diets. I just find that as soon as you start eating carbs again you balloon up so quick. I think moderation is what works best (for me atleast) as long as I eat a balanced variety of carbs and proteins I always maintain and gain size/strength. As soon as I do the diets for a few months my weight fluctuates too much. Just my opinion though, I really believe everyone is unique when it comes to fitness and nutrition.
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This is very true and I know alot of people who lose weight through no/low carb diets. I just find that as soon as you start eating carbs again you balloon up so quick. I think moderation is what works best (for me atleast) as long as I eat a balanced variety of carbs and proteins I always maintain and gain size/strength. As soon as I do the diets for a few months my weight fluctuates too much. Just my opinion though, I really believe everyone is unique when it comes to fitness and nutrition.

Your body will naturally become hyper sensative to carbs so your insulin will spike a lot harder after not eating any for a period of time. That's just one of the reasons. Fad diets never really work. As far as the low/no carb, etc, there is a lot of good info out there on how guys prep for competition to look lean, but to truly lose fat it's lots of fancy technique and diets around one simple fact= energy in=energy out. if they are not equal you will either gain or lose weight.
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Your body will naturally become hyper sensative to carbs so your insulin will spike a lot harder after not eating any for a period of time. That's just one of the reasons. Fad diets never really work. As far as the low/no carb, etc, there is a lot of good info out there on how guys prep for competition to look lean, but to truly lose fat it's lots of fancy technique and diets around one simple fact= energy in=energy out. if they are not equal you will either gain or lose weight.
Great advice. It's pretty simple when you break it down to caloric intake and output. Can't wait to lift legs tomorrow (can't believe I said that). I need a good leg day.
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I'm 180* opposite of this. I try to limit carbs to 100 grams/day, more or less, eat roughly 250 grams of protien, and round out my caloric needs with natural fats. Carbs, all carbs, cause an insulin spike in the body, causing fat storage. We have a whole country full of fat people on a low fat diet...
I guess it depends on your goals. Im in my bulk season right now and to build muscle size you need CARBS. Protein helps repair muscle and muscle strength, but if you want size you gotta pack up on the carbs and eat
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Great advice. It's pretty simple when you break it down to caloric intake and output. Can't wait to lift legs tomorrow (can't believe I said that). I need a good leg day.
Leg days are my most dreaded and I have a habit of skipping them but after 48 hours I feel twice as powerful, I find excuses to push things around.
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Cross...fit...bout...KILLED...me...today.

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That is all....
I hope your not one of those cross fitters with terrible form or it will kill you. Cross fit gyms have the highest incidence of injury compared to any other type. Including power lifting and body building.
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I hope your not one of those cross fitters with terrible form or it will kill you. Cross fit gyms have the highest incidence of injury compared to any other type. Including power lifting and body building.
No.....I'd rather not do it, than do it wrong.
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No.....I'd rather not do it, than do it wrong.
Good that's the only thing that drives me crazy about cross fit. Awesome concept, gets people moving, but the form of some people. Oh my gosh
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Source? This is the Internet, after all
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Don't know but I was told by a source I trust personally. I believe it too. Go watch some videos on YouTube that people post themselves maxing out or doing crossfit lifting versus other types. Not saying other types of people aren't guilty either but knowing the philosophy and how a lot of the trainers teach new people, it's not surprising. Cross fit is not form focused.
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Don't know but I was told by a source I trust personally. I believe it too. Go watch some videos on YouTube that people post themselves maxing out or doing crossfit lifting versus other types. Not saying other types of people aren't guilty either but knowing the philosophy and how a lot of the trainers teach new people, it's not surprising. Cross fit is not form focused.
There are definately alot of idiotic vids on YouTube of people attempting to crossfit. The crossfit gym I go to is completely nazi about form, which makes me wonder what the real % of bad-form crossfitters is.... Thruthfully, I see more gym rats doing stupid crap at our local community gym than I do at xfit, especially guys lifting more weight than they can safely handle. Want to see something that'll really make you cringe? Watch deadlifting videos on YouTube

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