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Old 02-25-2009, 12:22 PM   #1
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What is happening to our country?

Who needs terrorists to destroy America.....Our president may do it for them. It may only take 4 yrs to change us from "the shining city on the hill" to a broke, socialist, place that discourages private business and everyone depends on government. The changes that are occurring would make the founding fathers turn over in their graves. Think about it.
You have no right to defend yourself. The goverment owns the banks and it administers medical care. It indoctrinates your children with the goverment message at school. All large business is at least partially owned by the goverment. If I described a country like that 20 years ago you would think I was talking about Russia. This is where we are heading at high speed in the name of saving us from doom. As Americans we need to be careful what we are allowing our politicians to do in our name to SAVE us all. We may lose our American way of life in return.

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Here is a clue....It was written by a Black woman so there are references to race, but I think she makes the point. Copy/ Paste

Six years ago I wrote a book called, "Uncle Sam's Plantation ." I wrote the book to tell my own story of what I saw living inside the welfare state and my own transformation out of it.

I said in that book that indeed there are two Americas . A poor America on socialism and a wealthy America on capitalism.

I talked about government programs like Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Job Opportunities and Basic Skills Training (JOBS), Emergency Assistance to Needy Families with Children (EANF), Section 8 Housing and Food Stamps.

A vast sea of perhaps well intentioned government programs, all initially set into motion in the 1960's, that were going to lift the nation's poor out of poverty.

A benevolent Uncle Sam welcomed mostly poor black Americans onto the government plantation. Those who accepted the invitation switched mindsets from, "How do I take care of myself?" to "What do I have to do to stay on the plantation?"

Instead of solving economic problems, government welfare socialism created monstrous moral and spiritual problems. The kind of problems that are inevitable when individuals turn responsibility for their lives over to others.

The legacy of American socialism is our blighted inner cities, dysfunctional inner city schools and broken black families.

Through God's grace, I found my way out. It was then that I understood what freedom meant and how great this country is.

I had the privilege of working on welfare reform in 1996, passed by a Republican congress and signed into law by a Democrat president. A few years after enactment, welfare roles were down fifty percent.

I thought we were on the road to moving socialism out of our poor black communities and replacing it with wealth producing American capitalism.

But, incredibly, we are going in the opposite direction.

Instead of poor America on socialism becoming more like rich American on capitalism, rich America on capitalism is becoming like poor America on socialism.

Uncle Sam has welcomed our banks onto the plantation and they have said, "Thank you, Suh."

Now, instead of thinking about what creative things need to be done to serve customers, they are thinking about what they have to tell Massah in order to get their cash.

There is some kind of irony that this is all happening under our first black president on the 200th anniversary of the birthday of Abraham Lincoln.

Worse, socialism seems to be the element of our new young president. And maybe even more troubling, our corporate executives seem happy to move onto the plantation.

In an op-ed on the opinion page of the Washington Post, Mr. Obama is clear that the goal of his trillion dollar spending plan is much more than short term economic stimulus.

"This plan is more than a prescription for short-term spending-it's a strategy for America 's long-term growth and opportunity in areas such as renewable energy, health care, and education."

Perhaps more incredibly, Obama seems to think that government taking over an economy is a new idea. Or that massive growth in government can take place "with unprecedented transparency and accountability."

Yes sir, we heard it from Jimmy Carter when he created the Department of Energy, the Synfuels Corporation and the Department of Education.

Or, how about the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964 -- The War on Poverty -- which President Johnson said "...does not merely expand old programs or improve what is already being done? It charts a new course. It strikes at the causes, not just the consequences of poverty."

Trillions of dollars later, black poverty is the same. But black families are not, with triple the incidence of single parent homes and out of wedlock births.

It's not complicated. Americans can accept Barack Obama's invitation to move onto the plantation. Or they can choose personal responsibility and freedom.

Does anyone really need to think about what the choice should be?
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Who needs terrorists to destroy America.....Our president may do it for them. It may only take 4 yrs to change us from "the shining city on the hill" to a broke, socialist, place that discourages private business and everyone depends on government. The changes that are occurring would make the founding fathers turn over in their graves. Think about it.
You have no right to defend yourself. The goverment owns the banks and it administers medical care. It indoctrinates your children with the goverment message at school. All large business is at least partially owned by the goverment. If I described a country like that 20 years ago you would think I was talking about Russia. This is where we are heading at high speed in the name of saving us from doom. As Americans we need to be careful what we are allowing our politicians to do in our name to SAVE us all. We may lose our American way of life in return.
The game is already over and you were a cheerleader. Congratulations.
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Yes I do believe the game is over also. But what I cannot understand is how it got to this point. I've met conservitive people all over this country and I cannot see how we are outvoted and pushed to the wayside. It's like we have rolled over and given up. Maybe the LazyBoy recliner is an evil government plot to keep our fat asses perched in front of the boobtube.
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Yes I do believe the game is over also. But what I cannot understand is how it got to this point. I've met conservitive people all over this country and I cannot see how we are outvoted and pushed to the wayside. It's like we have rolled over and given up. Maybe the LazyBoy recliner is an evil government plot to keep our fat asses perched in front of the boobtube.
That administration just ended it's second term
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I'm interested in how PRESIDENT Bush directly affected you. DIRECTLY. Give me an example. An airtight one. Not a generality. I don't think you can. It's so easy to blame one man for all your problems, but I seriously doubt you can come up with a SINGLE example of how he DIRECTLY affected you, personally.

It seems you're so quick to point the finger at former President Bush. Do you just believe what other people are saying? Do you have a mind of your own? How did you come to have this opinion of our former President? You're not under attack.....I genuinely want to know why you have nothing good to say about the man.
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The game is already over and you were a cheerleader. Congratulations.
Jupiterboy, I'd like to know how it is that I am the cheerleader. You seem to think you know me. I doubt you do, so let me introduce myself. I'm an independant. I'm a union member and could vote for a conservative democrat, a republican or an inependant as long as they reflect my value system. While I don't care for Obama's ideas, Bush had some stupid ones also. I was born dirt poor and know what government cheese tastes like. Do you? As an adult, Uncle Sam never gave me crap for free. I started a family young and worked my A$$ off to support them. I served in the Army and went to college while working full time to get my degree. I believe in opportunity, not handouts. I work as a police officer in one of the most dangerous areas in the country. I blame people (democrats and republicans alike) for the stupid mess we are in. I wonder what your background is? Feel free to post it. I'm no ones cheerleader. I respect your opinions and you make fair arguments. I have opinions too. However, I don't make condecending statements about you if I disagree with your opinions.
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Jupiterboy, I'd like to know how it is that I am the cheerleader. You seem to think you know me. I doubt you do, so let me introduce myself. I'm an independant. I'm a union member and could vote for a conservative democrat, a republican or an inependant as long as they reflect my value system. While I don't care for Obama's ideas, Bush had some stupid ones also. I was born dirt poor and know what government cheese tastes like. Do you? As an adult, Uncle Sam never gave me crap for free. I started a family young and worked my A$$ off to support them. I served in the Army and went to college while working full time to get my degree. I believe in opportunity, not handouts. I work as a police officer in one of the most dangerous areas in the country. I blame people (democrats and republicans alike) for the stupid mess we are in. I wonder what your background is? Feel free to post it. I'm no ones cheerleader. I respect your opinions and you make fair arguments. I have opinions too. However, I don't make condecending statements about you if I disagree with your opinions.
Let me put this question to all of you. Who knows who is on the internet? this country is in a big change with big government. 20 years ago did you think we would get to this point? Is this site monitered with names being taken and a list of anti-govt. trouble makers. Are one of you the bait to draw us out? Does this sound farfetched? If it comes down to it , who's side are you going to be on? If you are in the military, who's side do you go with? Orders from your Commander in Chief or defenders of the original constitution? I'm not being paranoid, but as fast as things are changing we may all have to make choices unheard of. Getting back to my original reply in this thread , with all the conservitive americans in this country how did it get to this point? I believe they are hoping that the current admin. drinks it's koolaid and then pick up the pieces. But will it be too late.
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Jupiterboy, I'd like to know how it is that I am the cheerleader. You seem to think you know me. I doubt you do, so let me introduce myself. I'm an independant. I'm a union member and could vote for a conservative democrat, a republican or an inependant as long as they reflect my value system. While I don't care for Obama's ideas, Bush had some stupid ones also. I was born dirt poor and know what government cheese tastes like. Do you? As an adult, Uncle Sam never gave me crap for free. I started a family young and worked my A$$ off to support them. I served in the Army and went to college while working full time to get my degree. I believe in opportunity, not handouts. I work as a police officer in one of the most dangerous areas in the country. I blame people (democrats and republicans alike) for the stupid mess we are in. I wonder what your background is? Feel free to post it. I'm no ones cheerleader. I respect your opinions and you make fair arguments. I have opinions too. However, I don't make condecending statements about you if I disagree with your opinions.
Read your own post. I’m not going to play “Who’s the poorest and saddest” with you. You say the government owns the banks, but consider the number of gov. officials (Paulson) that come from the banking industry. Consider how much the President gets payed compared to what a financial executive makes. The Banks own the government. You sound confused and angry and short on information, like the woman that believes Obama is going to pay her mortgage.

Now, please continue with the call to revolution. I’m sure the orifice of homeland security would love to hear more.
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I'm interested in how PRESIDENT Bush directly affected you. DIRECTLY. Give me an example. An airtight one. Not a generality. I don't think you can. It's so easy to blame one man for all your problems, but I seriously doubt you can come up with a SINGLE example of how he DIRECTLY affected you, personally.

It seems you're so quick to point the finger at former President Bush. Do you just believe what other people are saying? Do you have a mind of your own? How did you come to have this opinion of our former President? You're not under attack.....I genuinely want to know why you have nothing good to say about the man.
I am just doing opposite of what most people in this thread are doing...blaming Obama. I remember you being an Obama critic...so what has he done to you DIRECTLY that has affected you? I think Bush did an ok job in his 1st term but took some really bad intel and obliterated his image. To your "do I have a mind of my own" remarks: yes I do and I study, analyze, and make my own opinions based on the facts that I find daily. By the way, I don't dislike Bush, I just think he made some bad decisions and WE paid for them. I am not saying, or thinking, Obama is the answer...he is just something different than what we have had for the last 8 years. I had 2 choices...McCain and Obama, I felt Obama was the better choice...simple as that.
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I am just doing opposite of what most people in this thread are doing...blaming Obama. I remember you being an Obama critic...so what has he done to you DIRECTLY that has affected you? I think Bush did an ok job in his 1st term but took some really bad intel and obliterated his image. To your "do I have a mind of my own" remarks: yes I do and I study, analyze, and make my own opinions based on the facts that I find daily. By the way, I don't dislike Bush, I just think he made some bad decisions and WE paid for them. I am not saying, or thinking, Obama is the answer...he is just something different than what we have had for the last 8 years. I had 2 choices...McCain and Obama, I felt Obama was the better choice...simple as that.
You are correct sir. I WAS an Obama critic. I've swallowed my pride and now I tolerate him. He's my President. I want to believe he has our best interest at heart. Will I follow him blindly? Never. I don't do anything blindly, especially follow. I'm very protective of President Bush. He was my boss and I respect his service to my country. I'm done lamenting the election of President Obama. However, he's got us by the short and curlies and it's up to us, the people, to decide whether or not to back his decisions regarding our livelihoods. There are too many people who believe the hype about this man being the Lord and Savior of this country.......that he has all the answers to their problems. People need to get off their collective asses and fix this economy (among other things), not rely on a figurehead to do it for them.

I am a Republican. A fairly liberal one, but a Republican nonetheless. So it doesn't hurt my heart to know that the Democrats are going to be on the hotplate for the next 4 years. Maybe 8. My old boss did it for 8 years. He was scrutinized for every single thing he did, from foreign policy to what the guy wore to dinner. He was blamed for everything that went wrong with this country, while almost never being given any credit for the good that he did. Now it's someone else's turn to feel the heat. Hopefully President Obama can live up to his promises and HELP turn this country back on its path. Time will tell.

And since it pisses me off to hear people badmouth my former President, I'm not going to badmouth my current President. I'm bigger than that.
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You are correct sir. I WAS an Obama critic. I've swallowed my pride and now I tolerate him. He's my President. I want to believe he has our best interest at heart. Will I follow him blindly? Never. I don't do anything blindly, especially follow. I'm very protective of President Bush. He was my boss and I respect his service to my country. I'm done lamenting the election of President Obama. However, he's got us by the short and curlies and it's up to us, the people, to decide whether or not to back his decisions regarding our livelihoods. There are too many people who believe the hype about this man being the Lord and Savior of this country.......that he has all the answers to their problems. People need to get off their collective asses and fix this economy (among other things), not rely on a figurehead to do it for them.

I am a Republican. A fairly liberal one, but a Republican nonetheless. So it doesn't hurt my heart to know that the Democrats are going to be on the hotplate for the next 4 years. Maybe 8. My old boss did it for 8 years. He was scrutinized for every single thing he did, from foreign policy to what the guy wore to dinner. He was blamed for everything that went wrong with this country, while almost never being given any credit for the good that he did. Now it's someone else's turn to feel the heat. Hopefully President Obama can live up to his promises and HELP turn this country back on its path. Time will tell.

And since it pisses me off to hear people badmouth my former President, I'm not going to badmouth my current President. I'm bigger than that.


Great response sir. I can imagine Bush was so relieved to get out of the Whitehouse!! Did you know that Bush was the only President with the highest approval ratings and the lowest approval ratings? Kinda crazy...
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Did you know that Bush was the only President with the highest approval ratings and the lowest approval ratings? Kinda crazy...
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Oh I see Jupiterboy, you're one of those people...You are the smartest guy in the room and anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. No one else can have an opinion that differs from you. I see a lack of real life experience in you. Please tell us "poor sad" people your story of how you became so wise. You are entitled to your opinion.
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You want to know what is wrong with our country? NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS!!!
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I agree with that. Generations of lazy crappy parenting, and an easy path lined with fast-food, insurance, credit and television.
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Yes I do believe the game is over also. But what I cannot understand is how it got to this point. I've met conservitive people all over this country and I cannot see how we are outvoted and pushed to the wayside. It's like we have rolled over and given up. Maybe the LazyBoy recliner is an evil government plot to keep our fat asses perched in front of the boobtube.
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So are the neocons secretly working for the KGB? They certainly have been effective.
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Six years ago I wrote a book called, "Uncle Sam's Plantation ." I wrote the book to tell my own story of what I saw living inside the welfare state and my own transformation out of it.

I said in that book that indeed there are two Americas . A poor America on socialism and a wealthy America on capitalism.

I talked about government programs like Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Job Opportunities and Basic Skills Training (JOBS), Emergency Assistance to Needy Families with Children (EANF), Section 8 Housing and Food Stamps.

A vast sea of perhaps well intentioned government programs, all initially set into motion in the 1960's, that were going to lift the nation's poor out of poverty.

A benevolent Uncle Sam welcomed mostly poor black Americans onto the government plantation. Those who accepted the invitation switched mindsets from, "How do I take care of myself?" to "What do I have to do to stay on the plantation?"

Instead of solving economic problems, government welfare socialism created monstrous moral and spiritual problems. The kind of problems that are inevitable when individuals turn responsibility for their lives over to others.

The legacy of American socialism is our blighted inner cities, dysfunctional inner city schools and broken black families.

Through God's grace, I found my way out. It was then that I understood what freedom meant and how great this country is.

I had the privilege of working on welfare reform in 1996, passed by a Republican congress and signed into law by a Democrat president. A few years after enactment, welfare roles were down fifty percent.

I thought we were on the road to moving socialism out of our poor black communities and replacing it with wealth producing American capitalism.

But, incredibly, we are going in the opposite direction.

Instead of poor America on socialism becoming more like rich American on capitalism, rich America on capitalism is becoming like poor America on socialism.

Uncle Sam has welcomed our banks onto the plantation and they have said, "Thank you, Suh."

Now, instead of thinking about what creative things need to be done to serve customers, they are thinking about what they have to tell Massah in order to get their cash.

There is some kind of irony that this is all happening under our first black president on the 200th anniversary of the birthday of Abraham Lincoln.

Worse, socialism seems to be the element of our new young president. And maybe even more troubling, our corporate executives seem happy to move onto the plantation.

In an op-ed on the opinion page of the Washington Post, Mr. Obama is clear that the goal of his trillion dollar spending plan is much more than short term economic stimulus.

"This plan is more than a prescription for short-term spending-it's a strategy for America 's long-term growth and opportunity in areas such as renewable energy, health care, and education."

Perhaps more incredibly, Obama seems to think that government taking over an economy is a new idea. Or that massive growth in government can take place "with unprecedented transparency and accountability."

Yes sir, we heard it from Jimmy Carter when he created the Department of Energy, the Synfuels Corporation and the Department of Education.

Or, how about the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964 -- The War on Poverty -- which President Johnson said "...does not merely expand old programs or improve what is already being done? It charts a new course. It strikes at the causes, not just the consequences of poverty."

Trillions of dollars later, black poverty is the same. But black families are not, with triple the incidence of single parent homes and out of wedlock births.

It's not complicated. Americans can accept Barack Obama's invitation to move onto the plantation. Or they can choose personal responsibility and freedom.

Does anyone really need to think about what the choice should be?

Good read!
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What would you guys do without “Black Woman”? Until you are able to focus on waste across the spectrum of government spending your rhetoric will be that of a hollow shill. Never a mention of a defense contract kickback or agribusiness subsidy. Being so predictable doesn't help your stance.
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What would you guys do without “Black Woman”? Until you are able to focus on waste across the spectrum of government spending your rhetoric will be that of a hollow shill. Never a mention of a defense contract kickback or agribusiness subsidy. Being so predictable doesn't help your stance.
True conservatives want government cut across the board, conservatives have been calling for government to be cut across the board for as long as I can remember. What don't you understand about that?
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
REPUBLICANS HAVE NOT BEEN TRUE TO THEIR BASE, THAT"S WHY THEY GOT SPANKED. CONSERVATIVES GOT PISSED BECAUSE OF THE WASTEFUL SPENDING. CAN I BE ANY CLEARER?
Your stance is pretty shaky when you keep referencing "progressives" progressives have always been for larger government.
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So are the neocons secretly working for the KGB? They certainly have been effective.
Good grief man, you're better than this, try harder.

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