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Old 05-24-2013, 08:49 AM   #31
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I find that my beliefs are contradicted by both parties, so I have a hard time putting my vote down for either
I am a fiscal conservative; I want a smaller government to stop propping up so many special interests
I am a social liberal; let the gays marry and the women be pro choice
I like guns; guns dont kill people all by themselves, why restrict what I can buy because of a few rotten eggs spoiling it for the rest of us
I want religion out of my government. Some of us dont believe in Jesus, so dont govern that way
I like scientific and engineering advances like exploring outer space, alternative energy sources and stem cells

So half of what I like one side of the "aisle" will vote for and the other stuff will come from another guy
Good luck finding a Democratic candidate for any office that will make common sense gun laws
And Ill be damned if I can find a Republican candidate that is for stem cell research and doesnt care who sleeps with who
So you're a libertarian?

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That's not reflective of this forum though
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I JUST WISH THAT SOMEBODY WOULD JOIN THIS 79 YEAR OLD DOGGER COOT, OVER HERE IN THE FARTHEST RIGHT CORNER. HELLO, IT'S GETTING AWFULL LOANLY OVER HERE. I may just have another Budweiser and then fall asleep......
I am with ya. I am very conservative. I work hard and spend my money wisely (most of the time).

I have big problems with the way the govt is currently running but I have come to the conclusion I can speak my mind all I want but it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. Being 28 years old, I have not seen a lot but from what I have seen its been a major change it the last 8-10 years and not for the good. I don't know what is causing it.

Probably part of the reason is most people think the world owes them something. You have all these people on welfare and disability who are perfectly capable of flipping burgers or saying "welcome to mcdonalds, how can I help you" but they don't "want" to. If they have an option to sit at home and play call of duty all day yelling at 15 yr olds while getting a check... Why not right?

Its people like that and people that think the constitution needs to be rewritten that are driving the finals nails in this country's coffin. I get all hot and pissed just typing this. I'm done for now.
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Probably part of the reason is most people think the world owes them something. You have all these people on welfare and disability who are perfectly capable of flipping burgers or saying "welcome to mcdonalds, how can I help you" but they don't "want" to. If they have an option to sit at home and play call of duty all day yelling at 15 yr olds while getting a check... Why not right?
I certainly understand your frustrations, and there are some people that fit that mold. However, in my travels I have noticed many of the 'do-nothings' used 'ta did. Just like they were supposed to. But how long do you watch your corporate handlers buy a second, third, or fourth house before giving you a raise? When I can make the same amount now that my daddy did in 1980 doing the same job, yet prices are roughly at least 4 times higher accross the board, why SHOULD I care making 12$ an hour for a job charging 125$/hr? (And this is why I work where I work ) Somewhat ironically, that is what the whole Atlas Shrugged crowd is not able to see, for some reason. That people have breaking points. Mine was reached after 10 years of being lied to, cheated, and robbed by several fortune 500 companies. I'll never work for another one, and find myself much happier because of that.

I am certain that nearly any man with the ability to provide for himself will do just that, but when you are suppressed from achieving that, you won't. You'll just give up. That is what we have seen recently, and imo when those that are capable begin to have the same attitude, rough waters lie ahead. The corporate greed has run away, yet again, and passing the buck is no longer acceptable, yet again.
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I find that my beliefs are contradicted by both parties, so I have a hard time putting my vote down for either
I am a fiscal conservative; I want a smaller government to stop propping up so many special interests
I am a social liberal; let the gays marry and the women be pro choice
I like guns; guns dont kill people all by themselves, why restrict what I can buy because of a few rotten eggs spoiling it for the rest of us
I want religion out of my government. Some of us dont believe in Jesus, so dont govern that way
I like scientific and engineering advances like exploring outer space, alternative energy sources and stem cells

So half of what I like one side of the "aisle" will vote for and the other stuff will come from another guy
Good luck finding a Democratic candidate for any office that will make common sense gun laws
And Ill be damned if I can find a Republican candidate that is for stem cell research and doesnt care who sleeps with who
THIS!!!!

There is no longer a RepublicAn party and I am kind of baffled how moderAte liberal (conservative ) Obama has been. I found Obama much more similar to Bush than Bush was to lets say reagan (last republican) or obama to lets say Clinton (last democrat). i am not sure how to describe either party but its ....unsettling.
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Left, but also depends on the topic. Can't say I agree with everything on either side.
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It depends on what state I am in. In Seattle, I am just to the right of Attila the Hun. In Dallas, you would be calling me a liberal (or middle of the road if you felt kind)
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Interesting thread...

I'm a member of the Republican Liberty Caucus. It's the more Libertarian wing of the GOP. I'm also a card carrying member of the John Birch Society.
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Interesting thread...

I'm a member of the Republican Liberty Caucus. It's the more Libertarian wing of the GOP. I'm also a card carrying member of the John Birch Society.
the only card I carry is ccw lol.

The biggest problem I see is as stated above if you straddle the fence you get splinters in the nut sack. Fence straddlers have gotten us to the point we are at now....fubared.
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I'm an atheist when it comes to government. I don't believe in it.
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A better question might be "At what stage are you on the Kubler-Ross model?"

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

I've made it through to #5 and pretty much checked out of politics.
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A better question might be "At what stage are you on the Kubler-Ross model?"

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

I've made it through to #5 and pretty much checked out of politics.
as far as the present admin I skipped 1. 3. 4. and for sure will never be at 5. I probably could say I replaced denial with disbelief tho lol.
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as far as the present admin I skipped 1. 3. 4. and for sure will never be at 5. I probably could say I replaced denial with disbelief tho lol.
Well. The one thing I learned is that the folks in office will be replaced, eventually by one you like.

The problem I kept running into was that the ones I thought I liked turned out to be the same ones I couldn't stand.

I think this stuff goes in big cycles for some reason. I don't know why either. Maybe we're just hard wired to repeat a big loop. Maybe I'm just tired. LOL.
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Conservative constitutional libertarian with a little bit of anarchy thrown in just to keep people honest.
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I have asked this question on 6 other Forums and never had a issue!
Most are adult's and respect each other..........

Why the hell do you care that much?
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I think this stuff goes in big cycles for some reason. I don't know why either. Maybe we're just hard wired to repeat a big loop. Maybe I'm just tired. LOL.
People hate change. That's why we've got 30 year congressmen. As long as they keep on giving the people what they have come to expect and depend on, a congressman can be the most vile POS in public service and still get voted in year after year.

Now, if the people would force change (enforce term limits and salary caps), then maybe, just maybe politicians wouldn't look at congress as a career but as more of a public service which, I believe, was the intent of the founding fathers.
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Conservative.... and since we live in an instant communication society now have a suggestion. Get rid of the politicians. We can speak for ourselves. We the people vote on laws budgets etc. If we don't care enough to follow what is being put forward by the special interest groups, than we deserve to get the shaft. But we need to take away all the politicians and let the people vote. Of course special interest graft and kick backs would be gone. Wonder what would happen to all the Lawyers/ politicians? They got us where we are now!!!!
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In general, I would consider myself a Reactionary Conversative (i.e., far right) but I also could give two-shits less about some of the major issues that seem to get the Republicans in such a tizzy.

Furthermore, I am a scientist and I just do not agree with some of the medical / research / religious intersections that seem to cause so much consternation. I can be a scientist and still believe in God; the two are not mutually exclusive, as some would almost have you believe.
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These kinda represent how I feel. Too bad most of our elected officials are serving big business and not their constituents.




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Conservative.... and since we live in an instant communication society now have a suggestion. Get rid of the politicians. We can speak for ourselves. We the people vote on laws budgets etc. If we don't care enough to follow what is being put forward by the special interest groups, than we deserve to get the shaft. But we need to take away all the politicians and let the people vote. Of course special interest graft and kick backs would be gone. Wonder what would happen to all the Lawyers/ politicians? They got us where we are now!!!!
Sounds like pure democracy, which has a pretty poor historical track record, was feared by our founders, and is why they established a constitutional republic. If representatives would actually represent the people they have been elected to serve, instead of serving their OWN best interests; and if we the people were smart enough to throw the rascals out when they betray our interests, then we wouldnt have near as many problems....imo.
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I JUST WISH THAT SOMEBODY WOULD JOIN THIS 79 YEAR OLD DOGGER COOT, OVER HERE IN THE FARTHEST RIGHT CORNER. HELLO, IT'S GETTING AWFULL LOANLY OVER HERE. I may just have another Budweiser and then fall asleep......
I'm not going to join you in that corner, but I will duly submit that a national full of stubborn and independent far right wingers is better off than a nation full of far left liberals. If all the college professors and their fawning pupils took a week break from debating the finer points of existentialism to hop on a John Deere, we'd be a better nation for it.

Me, I'm on a libertarian streak. However, I can put up with the military industrial complex BS more so than the entitlement system. Because why you ask? Well, at the end of the day, as an engineer, a rail gun is %^&& #(#( ^** AWESOME and food stamps/poor financial planning/poor parenting/etc. just make my blood boil.
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A better question might be "At what stage are you on the Kubler-Ross model?"

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

I've made it through to #5 and pretty much checked out of politics.
I'm not naming names, but it's too much fun to witness some people's transitions through #1-4. Sometimes, they're stuck permanently in #1&2 for a whole term!

The best place I've found to stay is #5 with selective #2.
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I support the US Constitution.. I however do not support any of these politicians that are selling us out.
So which side of the aisle am I on? Neither side. I'm an Independent whom is a constitutionalist that is a patriot that has a line drawn in the sand. :-D
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A few thoughts that shape my political outlook:

1. Since I don't have a uterus, I don't think I deserve as strong a vote in the abortion debate as someone who does.

2. I'm totally OK with my gay neighbors bing married.

3. I think my married, gay neighbors should be able to defend their home with the arms guaranteed them by the Second Amendment

4. We have a failed state to our south with essentially an open border. We need to close it. Moreover, those in this country illegally are illegals. If I take to the road without license or insurance that does not make me an undocumented driver.

5. I'm for a social safety net. I don't think it's asking too much to require welfare recipients to pick up litter beside the roads. And to not be on drugs.
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Sounds like pure democracy, which has a pretty poor historical track record, was feared by our founders, and is why they established a constitutional republic. If representatives would actually represent the people they have been elected to serve, instead of serving their OWN best interests; and if we the people were smart enough to throw the rascals out when they betray our interests, then we wouldnt have near as many problems....imo.
I agree with what you are saying historically...but we have never been able to have votes counted in as short a time as we can now. Also you would have to be a legal resident to vote....and the people voting would really "care" IMO and yeah I know it is a dream idea and would never pass look at how many people would be suddenly unemployed. ......and a lot of them are the ones who make the "rules"......(laws)..but I also don't think it would be the same as a "regular" democracy....most people are too lazy or don't care enough to vote and know what is going on in the political arena now Imagine if they had to wade through a new law or bill to be able to vote!!!
Okay someone please get this thread back on track.....Still conservative....but think where we are is everyone's fault,,and now how do we fix it?
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I'm not naming names, but it's too much fun to witness some people's transitions through #1-4. Sometimes, they're stuck permanently in #1&2 for a whole term!

The best place I've found to stay is #5 with selective #2.

I heard there were a lot of jewish as well as non jews doing that in Germany at one time.
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5. I'm for a social safety net. I don't think it's asking too much to require welfare recipients to pick up litter beside the roads. And to not be on drugs.
This. Either force them to do "all those jobs that nobody wants to do" to earn their keep or pay them nothing.

Additionally, there should be NO incentives to have children (I'd prefer incentives to have no children), thus emphasizing proper family & financial planning.

If you want to have 5 kids, fine, but you pay for them to eat and go to school instead of absolve you from financial responsibility.
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I agree with what you are saying historically...but we have never been able to have votes counted in as short a time as we can now. Also you would have to be a legal resident to vote....and the people voting would really "care" IMO and yeah I know it is a dream idea and would never pass look at how many people would be suddenly unemployed. ......and a lot of them are the ones who make the "rules"......(laws)..but I also don't think it would be the same as a "regular" democracy....most people are too lazy or don't care enough to vote and know what is going on in the political arena now Imagine if they had to wade through a new law or bill to be able to vote!!!
Okay someone please get this thread back on track.....Still conservative....but think where we are is everyone's fault,,and now how do we fix it?
Then California and New York tell 48 States, not provinces or territories, but States, what to do. That is the 'American Union', and it is unconstitutional. I think it should only be citizens voting, too.

Btw, nearly every congress-person has another job, like doctor or lawyer. They also mostly have enough money to not have to be employed, and not pay as much taxes, because of capital gains which somehow is less taxable income than hard earned sweat of the brow income. What confuses me is why conservatives support that generally.

Get money out of politics. Return the federal government to a Constitutionally controlled entitiy. As long as a corporation has more rights than you or I, though, politicians will represent those constituents, either federally, on the state level, or locally, before us.

+1 on a nonbreeding incintive, if any.

50,000$ a person sounds ok to me. Bring em on.
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Let's see which side of the aisle you are on. Far Left Liberal, Liberal, In the middle, Conservative, Far right Conservative.
You can also add example: In in the middle, but lean to the left, or right.

Whether you love Obama, or hate him is not the question here!!!

Please answer the question, without any further comments and let's respect each other right to pick and choose a side. This is why it is called a Democracy!!!

I am a Conservation, but lean toward the middle!
You missed the other dimension of the equation, statist vs libertarian
check this out Advocates for Self Government

And sorry, America is not a Democracy. We are a constitutional republic ruled by law, not by the whim of the masses (or at least that was the intent)

"Democracy is 3 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner"
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You missed the other dimension of the equation, statist vs libertarian
check this out Advocates for Self Government

And sorry, America is not a Democracy. We are a constitutional republic ruled by law, not by the whim of the masses (or at least that was the intent)

"Democracy is 3 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner"
"Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Doubtful that Dr Franklin actually said it, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Cool test. Puts me as an anarchist, top middle, lol. I do like these socialist red trucks with ladders and hoses, though, and educated neighbors.

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