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Old 03-04-2010, 04:39 PM   #31
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Anyone that subscribes to marxist, socialist, fascist, communist philosophy is by definition, "a pinko". They have no place at the federal level.
States can implement socialist policies, and in fact, I believe we should have some level of safety nets in place at the state and local level but the restrictions on federal authority were put in place for very good reason, we are fools when we allow them to be lifted or ignored.

You're correct that socialism has been creeping into our system for a long time. The progressive movement has been trying to convert us to socialism for more than 100 years and they have never given up, they went under ground for awhile but they're back in force.

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Will do my friend, I am always up for some new reads. If you were interested in any of my favorite historians check out anything by Howard Zinn, specifically A Peoples History Of The United States, one of my favorite books of all time.

I see your signature is by Ayn Rand, you read much of her stuff? I have the early Ayn Rand, a collection of alot of her early work, read quite a bit of it. I read a book she did the forward in called The ominous parallels, I cant remember who wrote it though.

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If you were interested in any of my favorite historians check out anything by Howard Zinn, specifically A Peoples History Of The United States, one of my favorite books of all time.
I dunno but anytime I see the word "Peoples" used as in A People's History of the U.S. I look to see if it was published by The Socialist Workers Party, the Chinese, Cuba, etc.

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Old 03-04-2010, 06:02 PM   #33
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I dunno but anytime I see the word "Peoples" used as in A People's History of the U.S. I look to see if it was published by The Socialist Workers Party, the Chinese, Cuba, etc.
lol no just my lazy typeing, check it out sometime very good book
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I think I misunderstood what you last said. I thought you were jokeing about my forgetting to put the ' in people's. Did you mean useing the term people is a socialist thing?
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I think I misunderstood what you last said. I thought you were jokeing about my forgetting to put the ' in people's. Did you mean useing the term people is a socialist thing?
Not necessarily but the word "people's" is commonly used by socialist and communist organizations. People's Paradise, People's Republic of China, people's revolution, People's Daily (the Communist Chinese daily newspaper) etc.

And Zinn's People's History of the United States is exactly that, it was written "through the eyes of working people, rather than political and economic elites". It is a well known socialist-leaning "history" with progressive labor as a central theme and was never intended by Zinn to be anything but that. His book centers around the history of the U.S. as seen by workers & uses that as a way to show that American workers are "oppressed".

That book was not disguised to be anything but a very left socialist centered history as seen by the workers. There is a lot of history behind the use of the word 'worker' by everybody from communist and socialists like Socialist Workers Party. Even the NAZI term stood for National Socialist German Worker's Party.

If it says Socialist, Worker, or People's anything, it's not going to get my vote or support.
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Old 03-04-2010, 06:47 PM   #36
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Not necessarily but the word "people's" is commonly used by socialist and communist organizations. People's Paradise, People's Republic of China, people's revolution, People's Daily (the Communist Chinese daily newspaper) etc.

And Zinn's People's History of the United States is exactly that, it was written "through the eyes of working people, rather than political and economic elites". It is a well known socialist-leaning with progressive labor as a central theme and was never intended by Zinn to be anything but that. His book centers around the history of the U.S. as seen by workers & uses that as a way to show that American workers are "oppressed".

That book is not even disguised to be anything but a very left socialist centered history as seen by the workers. There is a lot of history behind the use of the word 'worker' by everybody from communist and socialists like Socialist Workers Party. Even the NAZI term stood for National Socialist German Worker's Party.

If it says Socialist, Worker, or People's anything, it's not going to get my vote or support.

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So your not for the constitution?
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Re-read my first two words, don't try to twist the meaning of what I said.

And "People" is an entirely different word from "People's". There is nothing in what I wrote that I would re-word, I said exactly what & how I meant to say it. I did not use the word "people" in that context in what I wrote, I centered on the word "People's"... a very different word.
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

So your not for the constitution?
i would prefer it if you sang it like this:
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Okay my apologies But the only differance I see is one is plural and one is singular
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Okay my apologies But the only differance I see is one is plural and one is singular
Thank you but it's not singular vs. plural at all. People is singular, peoples is plural, and people's is possessive. People's... as in belonging to a collective, belonging to the people, etc..

Here's a dictionary definition of people's I found: Used in the possessive in Communist or left-wing countries to indicate that an institution operates under the control of or for the benefit of the people, esp. under Communist leadership): people's republic; people's army.

The use of the word People's usually indicates something to do with socialism or communism in today's world.

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