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Old 03-09-2013, 10:25 PM   #1
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Hey guys im starting to get my pilots license and I thought it'd be cool to see if any of the WF crew had their pilots license? I surly cant be the only one!

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Not a pilots license, I do however have wings training to be a flight engineer in the air force. Best thing I've earnt. Just waiting on aircraft specific training now.

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My uncle actually got his a couple years ago, and has been trying to convince me to get mine soon. Hopefully I will be on this thread eventually and be able to say I finally have it. Congrats!
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I've tried and have accumulated about 3 hours in a beautiful Piper Cub. Tail dragger all the way! Ran out of money and now the great economy prevents me from going back. Someday.
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Have my Private Cert. and some Instrument training all in 172/152's. I was going through a professional program to get all my ratings up to ATP and paying out of pocket at first but its not worth taking out the loans to finish when a first officer for a regional airline barely makes enough to pay bills.
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Wow! glad to hear that there are some pilots out there! I really enjoy flying. HDB the bills do make it tough sometimes. I don't think I want to work for an actual airline, a private guy would be nice though! CavediverJC those are some nice planes!
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I fly part-91 for a small company. Everything from C-182 to Citation III, but right now my favorite is a P-337 Skymaster.

15hrs in a Beaver (uhhh.... de Havilland) was great fun....kinda like a flying Jeep.

I've put a few hours in the right seat of a seaplane and in a float plane and cant wait to have time (and reason) to get a sea rating.

Lots of friends with airlines...regionals and majors...their universal advice is: STAY AWAY!!

I dont want to burst any bubbles or sway any dreams....I think you should do whatever your heart tells you...but use your brain to get there. I got into this 7 years ago with the intent of going airline and living the good life traveling the planet. Those days are long gone. A few years ago I shifted my aim to Corporate aviation and am in absolute heaven. But job opportunities are almost exclusively "who you know". Getting your instructor rating(s) will benefit you intellectually (you learn more by teaching), it will benefit you financially (somebody else pays for your hours), but most importantly it will help you occupationally....you meet (and teach) lots and lots of people....network network network.

If there is any way possible....let the govt pay for your training. Either a flight related MOS or through GI-Bill or if you are here in TX we ALSO have the Hinsen-Hazlewood act with is icing on top of the GI-Bill Cake.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES buy into the embry ridel hype and dump $150k into one of their aviation degrees. ALL of my airline contacts say that is a truck-load of BS.

Take your time learning. It is a skill that has to be developed. When I started, I was able to work on it 8hrs a day, 6 days a week.....you plateau...burn out....get frustrated....theo whole FOI checklist of things students do wrong. I was just on the edge of quitting and was lamenting my irritation to a crusty old instructor at a different school who listened attentively and eventually said: "When you sit down at the thanksgiving table, no matter how hungry you are...you cannot eat it all at once. It takes time."

Taking your time will help your absorption and assimilation rate....knowing and understanding a hugely different things.

At the same time...dont go too slowly...recency is extremely important...especially when learning and even afteryou get the ticket, staying recent will be the most important thing you can do.

Its fun....keep it that way.
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Vroooom you didnt pop any bubbles. I've heard the same stories about regional/majors. I would love to get in with a local company here in PA. And I dont want to go to embry riddle. I was thinking something smaller like fairmont, averrate, or delaware state.
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I fly part-91 for a small company. Everything from C-182 to Citation III, but right now my favorite is a P-337 Skymaster.

15hrs in a Beaver (uhhh.... de Havilland) was great fun....kinda like a flying Jeep.

I've put a few hours in the right seat of a seaplane and in a float plane and cant wait to have time (and reason) to get a sea rating.

Lots of friends with airlines...regionals and majors...their universal advice is: STAY AWAY!!

I dont want to burst any bubbles or sway any dreams....I think you should do whatever your heart tells you...but use your brain to get there. I got into this 7 years ago with the intent of going airline and living the good life traveling the planet. Those days are long gone. A few years ago I shifted my aim to Corporate aviation and am in absolute heaven. But job opportunities are almost exclusively "who you know". Getting your instructor rating(s) will benefit you intellectually (you learn more by teaching), it will benefit you financially (somebody else pays for your hours), but most importantly it will help you occupationally....you meet (and teach) lots and lots of people....network network network.

If there is any way possible....let the govt pay for your training. Either a flight related MOS or through GI-Bill or if you are here in TX we ALSO have the Hinsen-Hazlewood act with is icing on top of the GI-Bill Cake.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES buy into the embry ridel hype and dump $150k into one of their aviation degrees. ALL of my airline contacts say that is a truck-load of BS.

Take your time learning. It is a skill that has to be developed. When I started, I was able to work on it 8hrs a day, 6 days a week.....you plateau...burn out....get frustrated....theo whole FOI checklist of things students do wrong. I was just on the edge of quitting and was lamenting my irritation to a crusty old instructor at a different school who listened attentively and eventually said: "When you sit down at the thanksgiving table, no matter how hungry you are...you cannot eat it all at once. It takes time."

Taking your time will help your absorption and assimilation rate....knowing and understanding a hugely different things.

At the same time...dont go too slowly...recency is extremely important...especially when learning and even afteryou get the ticket, staying recent will be the most important thing you can do.

Its fun....keep it that way.
Perfectly said. I concur 100%.
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CFI-Single
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I fly part-91 for a small company. Everything from C-182 to Citation III, but right now my favorite is a P-337 Skymaster.

15hrs in a Beaver (uhhh.... de Havilland) was great fun....kinda like a flying Jeep.

I've put a few hours in the right seat of a seaplane and in a float plane and cant wait to have time (and reason) to get a sea rating.

Lots of friends with airlines...regionals and majors...their universal advice is: STAY AWAY!!

I dont want to burst any bubbles or sway any dreams....I think you should do whatever your heart tells you...but use your brain to get there. I got into this 7 years ago with the intent of going airline and living the good life traveling the planet. Those days are long gone. A few years ago I shifted my aim to Corporate aviation and am in absolute heaven. But job opportunities are almost exclusively "who you know". Getting your instructor rating(s) will benefit you intellectually (you learn more by teaching), it will benefit you financially (somebody else pays for your hours), but most importantly it will help you occupationally....you meet (and teach) lots and lots of people....network network network.

If there is any way possible....let the govt pay for your training. Either a flight related MOS or through GI-Bill or if you are here in TX we ALSO have the Hinsen-Hazlewood act with is icing on top of the GI-Bill Cake.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES buy into the embry ridel hype and dump $150k into one of their aviation degrees. ALL of my airline contacts say that is a truck-load of BS.

Take your time learning. It is a skill that has to be developed. When I started, I was able to work on it 8hrs a day, 6 days a week.....you plateau...burn out....get frustrated....theo whole FOI checklist of things students do wrong. I was just on the edge of quitting and was lamenting my irritation to a crusty old instructor at a different school who listened attentively and eventually said: "When you sit down at the thanksgiving table, no matter how hungry you are...you cannot eat it all at once. It takes time."

Taking your time will help your absorption and assimilation rate....knowing and understanding a hugely different things.

At the same time...dont go too slowly...recency is extremely important...especially when learning and even afteryou get the ticket, staying recent will be the most important thing you can do.

Its fun....keep it that way.
I have nothing to add to this thread and just read it for the hell of it but, that is one hell of a post to help someone out who is looking for information.
Polite, informative and well written. I wish I could read more of that type of assistance. Hell, I wish I could add that type of knowledge to something pertinent here.
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Haha. A wrangler airplane is an idea.... I saw in the quadratec magazine they have a dvd abiut a wrangler that thinks he should fly.
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Vroooom, one of the local clubs allows GI Bill for up to $800 of the ground school but out of pocket for the rest. I can't do comercial training thanks to red/green color deficiency. Don't understand it to this day as I can read colored maps and tinker with wiring all the time. I can even pass the light gun test. Maybe in a year or two, and depending on how bad the upcoming furlough hits me, I can try again. Nothing like cruising along in the Cub at 3000 feet with the doors open...bliss!
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Vroooom, one of the local clubs allows GI Bill for up to $800 of the ground school but out of pocket for the rest. I can't do comercial training thanks to red/green color deficiency. Don't understand it to this day as I can read colored maps and tinker with wiring all the time. I can even pass the light gun test. Maybe in a year or two, and depending on how bad the upcoming furlough hits me, I can try again. Nothing like cruising along in the Cub at 3000 feet with the doors open...bliss!
Find a 141 school...the GI Bill will pay 100% of your training as long as you have a minimum of 3 years active duty. All of my training has been paid for.
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I've been saving up for a while and ocassionaly sell some dairy cattle so that's how i'm paying for it! Its hard not to justify spending in on the Wrangler though.... I keep telling my self eventually I'll make enough money to fix the wrangler up even more
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I have my Nav wings in the Air Force, but no PPL yet. When I get the time I will most likely do it though. Want to own my own plane one day
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Umm... how does that happen? Haha. Im assuming the majority of those arent crash landings.
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I'm a line guy at an FBO and was using that money to pay for flight training. I got 43 hours and took the written and all that good stuff, then failed the check ride. Haven't been motivated to do anything since. But I love flying!
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I love flying as well! Its such freedom! Kinda like riding in the jeep topless!
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I'm a line guy at an FBO and was using that money to pay for flight training. I got 43 hours and took the written and all that good stuff, then failed the check ride. Haven't been motivated to do anything since. But I love flying!
Dont get stuck licking your wounds. Most pilots fail at least one checkride. In fact, it is very rare to find one who hasnt. Get back in the saddle and finish it. The longer you wait, the more it will cost you to get the edge back on the skill set necessary to pass the checkride.

In fact, I use it as a means of teaching resiliency. Everybody makes mistakes. Its how you recover from the mistake that often determins if you get to keep breathing. Students will often do something wrong...usually they catch the mistake themselves....sometimes they get so frustrated WITH THEMSELVES that they lock-up and and the flight just goes to crap from that point forward cuz they are so busy beating themselves up over that initial mistake.

Shake it off, get over it, move on, and fly the damn plane.

You think those guys up front in an airliner are there cuz they dont make mistakes? Hell no! They are there cuz they know how to compensate for mistakes and problems and dont let one issue effect everything else.

When taking a written (in any field)...if you get stuck on one question for more than one minute, make it, move on, and come back later. That will allow your subconscious to chew on the question while you reinforce your confidence by answering other questions correctly. Then when you go back, you will have a better shot at getting it right...especially if subsequent questions have hinted at the right solution.

Its harder to do in a checkride since you dont get to tell the DPE that you want to skip this maneuver and come back to it later. But you can make a conscious effort to train and practice an almost zen approach to task management of not letting things get to you. Takes lots of practice. Bit it helps in so many different aspects of life.

Yeah, you busted a check ride. If you stop here, you fail. If you persist....you prevail. its all just a choice.
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Dont get stuck licking your wounds. Most pilots fail at least one checkride. In fact, it is very rare to find one who hasnt. Get back in the saddle and finish it. The longer you wait, the more it will cost you to get the edge back on the skill set necessary to pass the checkride.

In fact, I use it as a means of teaching resiliency. Everybody makes mistakes. Its how you recover from the mistake that often determins if you get to keep breathing. Students will often do something wrong...usually they catch the mistake themselves....sometimes they get so frustrated WITH THEMSELVES that they lock-up and and the flight just goes to crap from that point forward cuz they are so busy beating themselves up over that initial mistake.

Shake it off, get over it, move on, and fly the damn plane.

You think those guys up front in an airliner are there cuz they dont make mistakes? Hell no! They are there cuz they know how to compensate for mistakes and problems and dont let one issue effect everything else.

When taking a written (in any field)...if you get stuck on one question for more than one minute, make it, move on, and come back later. That will allow your subconscious to chew on the question while you reinforce your confidence by answering other questions correctly. Then when you go back, you will have a better shot at getting it right...especially if subsequent questions have hinted at the right solution.

Its harder to do in a checkride since you dont get to tell the DPE that you want to skip this maneuver and come back to it later. But you can make a conscious effort to train and practice an almost zen approach to task management of not letting things get to you. Takes lots of practice. Bit it helps in so many different aspects of life.

Yeah, you busted a check ride. If you stop here, you fail. If you persist....you prevail. its all just a choice.
Thanks man! I really do want to get back in to it but the lack of money kind of ruins it. I might just go to a different DPE and get it done.
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Thats exactly what my instructor has told me. Just keep going. I was in ground school with 2 or 3 other guys who had their license before but because they didnt keep up with it now they have to start from basically square 1.
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Well id say flyingotter is a good username for you! Haha.
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