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Old 01-10-2013, 08:45 PM   #31
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That is what I have issues with. I can have a problem asking the mechanic to address, they fix one thing then you immediately get in it and can notice the problem on your way home. Situations such as these they need to test drive. I don't think Predator test drove mine because within 5 minutes I could feel a possible out of balance situation. They should drive it then let me know they detect this and if I want them to balance the tires.

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I must report that after driving home from work and knowing every bump and crack that sets off the wobble, it was a smooth ride home. So far I think the problem has been handled. It will be interesting to see how things are a month from now.

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Dan, I get what you are saying. But I don't have the tools or the ability to do this myself. I need help. I don't trust my mechanic because he knew this was an issue that I told him to address everything whwn he installed the new steering kit and he either ignored me or didnt do a good job. I need an independent party to examine this
Not trying to be an ass, but why can't you swap out the hardware yourself?

All you need is a simple metric socket set of 12mm thru 21(most used are 17-21mm), a torque wrench, and some time. If you don't have a socket set then you should buy one for the trails at least in case you break something. I keep my tools in the jeep at all times just in case.
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Not trying to be an ass, but why can't you swap out the hardware yourself?

All you need is a simple metric socket set of 12mm thru 21(most used are 17-21mm), a torque wrench, and some time. If you don't have a socket set then you should buy one for the trails at least in case you break something. I keep my tools in the jeep at all times just in case.
True. You're right. But I don't have a breaker bar or torque wrench and don't want to spend the money to buy them while I still don't have enough knowledge to fix the problem. I'm sorry to have bothered everyone. Forget it
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True. You're right. But I don't have a breaker bar or torque wrench and don't want to spend the money to buy them while I still don't have enough knowledge to fix the problem. I'm sorry to have bothered everyone. Forget it
My intentions were not to piss you off, so if I did I apologize. You shouldn't need a breaker bar. You can get a cheap torque wrench from harbor freight for $20-30 and it's sufficient for suspension stuff. I know you man, you could definitely do this stuff easily. It's just removing a bolt and putting in the new one. I get back to town next friday and if you need help still, give me a shout and I'll grab my tools and can help
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My intentions were not to piss you off, so if I did I apologize. You shouldn't need a breaker bar. You can get a cheap torque wrench from harbor freight for $20-30 and it's sufficient for suspension stuff. I know you man, you could definitely do this stuff easily. It's just removing a bolt and putting in the new one. I get back to town next friday and if you need help still, give me a shout and I'll grab my tools and can help
No man,

I'm sorry. I'm on edge as I have been living with this for over a month. I'm at the end of my rope and last night when I read it I was just exhausted. I appreciate people trying to help and give me suggestions. My friend has air tools and we are going to try to take it all apart and look Sunday night. I'm so ready to be done with this problem and love my Jeep again. Honestly I had come close to just selling it as no one I took it to seemed to care about the problem. For me it's essential to have a vehicle that works flawlessly as I drive 95% of the time for work. It's just been a frustrating few weeks and I'm tired.
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and to Chris's defense, I put a breaker bar on the bolt in his track bar and ended up breaking the lug off the tool - that thing was over-torqued.
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Man I know how you feel. I was at my witts end waiting to find out about my engine last month. I'm in sales and drive ALOT so borrowing vehicles and hitching rides wore on me pretty quickly. I was getting frustrated even though the guy at the dealership was helping me out but seemingly dragging his feet on getting me a definitive answer. Not knowing what the deal is can drive a man crazy.....


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No man,

I'm sorry. I'm on edge as I have been living with this for over a month. I'm at the end of my rope and last night when I read it I was just exhausted. I appreciate people trying to help and give me suggestions. My friend has air tools and we are going to try to take it all apart and look Sunday night. I'm so ready to be done with this problem and love my Jeep again. Honestly I had come close to just selling it as no one I took it to seemed to care about the problem. For me it's essential to have a vehicle that works flawlessly as I drive 95% of the time for work. It's just been a frustrating few weeks and I'm tired.
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Death wobble

Chris where do you live I have all kinds of tools and experience with DW I am in Denver? Got the weekend free let me know
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Chris where do you live I have all kinds of tools and experience with DW I am in Denver? Got the weekend free let me know
I very much appreciate the offer I work 8-5 all weekend and am located down in the springs. My next day off is not until Tuesday. Again thank you for the offer
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Chris, I feel your pain. My wobble was driving me to the brink also. I have read so many posts of friendly people on here helping each other out I have been amazed.

If you do end up taking it to a shop, you might want to take it to Predator 4wd on Nevada jest south of Austin Bluffs. I ended up taking mine there because all other mechanics just didn't seem to "get it". Predator has been in Colorado Springs for almost 30 years. The will work with all kinds of 4wd vehicles but their real specialty is modified jeeps. I figured if anyone would understand lifted aftermarket suspensions it would be them. They also understand what "death wobble" on a jeep is.

They aren't necessarily cheaper than any other garage but they do know jeeps. Keep us posted here. I have researched death wobble until my fingers are raw and I like to get more an more information about it.
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Chris, I feel your pain. My wobble was driving me to the brink also. I have read so many posts of friendly people on here helping each other out I have been amazed.

If you do end up taking it to a shop, you might want to take it to Predator 4wd on Nevada jest south of Austin Bluffs. I ended up taking mine there because all other mechanics just didn't seem to "get it". Predator has been in Colorado Springs for almost 30 years. The will work with all kinds of 4wd vehicles but their real specialty is modified jeeps. I figured if anyone would understand lifted aftermarket suspensions it would be them. They also understand what "death wobble" on a jeep is.

They aren't necessarily cheaper than any other garage but they do know jeeps. Keep us posted here. I have researched death wobble until my fingers are raw and I like to get more an more information about it.
Ya I just can't justify what they are going to charge. The work was done by another Mechanic and now he seems to be to busy to fix the issue. A former employee of his, who is a friend of mine, and I will be using air tools and diagnosing it Sunday night. Then if there is a major issue I will go to him and tell him to make it right. I have spent thousands in his shop and it's his responsibility to fix something if it's wrong. Basically this should all be covered under the "I installed it and it's not working so I need to fix it" philosophy. I agree Predator does good work, but their labor costs are ridiculous.
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My death wobble

My death wobble was a simple missing shock. Try alignment and come back
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Ya I just can't justify what they are going to charge. The work was done by another Mechanic and now he seems to be to busy to fix the issue. A former employee of his, who is a friend of mine, and I will be using air tools and diagnosing it Sunday night. Then if there is a major issue I will go to him and tell him to make it right. I have spent thousands in his shop and it's his responsibility to fix something if it's wrong. Basically this should all be covered under the "I installed it and it's not working so I need to fix it" philosophy. I agree Predator does good work, but their labor costs are ridiculous.
I noticed yours is a 2012. Did you have the lift and tires installed or did you purchase it that way? Was it this mechanic who did the work?
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I noticed yours is a 2012. Did you have the lift and tires installed or did you purchase it that way? Was it this mechanic who did the work?
Yes everything was installed. Yes it was this mechanic who did the work. I would prefer not to say who as I am not trying to slam someone for being a small shop and business oriented, but let's just say I am less than impressed by his willingness to make it right.
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Was it a 4x4 shop of an all around vehicle shop?
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I was just wondering because after watching bunches of Teraflex videos I was finding that even doing an alignment on a lifted jeep is far different than a regular vehicle or stock jeep. They were mentioning that many shops will put a lifted jeep on the computerized alignment racks and and once everything reads green it is good to go. He demonstrated on a lifted jeep that this is incorrect and then some of this can lead to wobble. He showed how once the jeep was properly aligned it actually showed out of spec on the the machine. The tech just has to know that a jeep with whatever lift should have certain positive and negative angles depending on the height of the lift. He was also saying that changing your caster to what would be "out of spec" can actually improve the issue of larger tires wanting to grab and follow cracks or road imperfections.
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Justin,

How are those red letter tires working for you? I am just curious as I am seeing more and more of these especially on jeeps.
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The grabbers are actually bad ass. I just wish I had bigger ones. I need to ask my buddy who had just gotten 35 inch grabbers how he likes them.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:45 AM   #51
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DEATH WOBBLE : What it is, What it isn't and What You Can Do to Fix it

Basic Do-it-Yourself Jeep JK Wrangler Front End Alignment

part of being a jeeper is to acquire the skills and knowledge to do a few things yourself. learning how to fix a few things and getting the tools to do it is very beneficial to wheeling and you pocket book.
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DEATH WOBBLE : What it is, What it isn't and What You Can Do to Fix it

Basic Do-it-Yourself Jeep JK Wrangler Front End Alignment

part of being a jeeper is to acquire the skills and knowledge to do a few things yourself. learning how to fix a few things and getting the tools to do it is very beneficial to wheeling and you pocket book.
Fair enough. I'll check those out. Question for you based on what I have read this is probably not true. I have had not had full on death wobble since it was aligned could it be that the combination of unbalanced/unevenly worn tires and being toe'd in too far actually caused it? I still do get very aggressive shakes and shimmies which I know is mainly tire related.
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what if you put some stockers back on to take your worn tires out of the equation? Would probably be a lot easier to identify the source of your issues.
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Fair enough. I'll check those out. Question for you based on what I have read this is probably not true. I have had not had full on death wobble since it was aligned could it be that the combination of unbalanced/unevenly worn tires and being toe'd in too far actually caused it? I still do get very aggressive shakes and shimmies which I know is mainly tire related.
Yes, remember it can be a compounding issue that leads to it. Once it (death wobble) hits a certain frequency it will shake regardless of components. Tires and alignment can lead to it, typically you also have something else going on as well but it exaggerates it.
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Yes, remember it can be a compounding issue that leads to it. Once it (death wobble) hits a certain frequency it will shake regardless of components. Tires and alignment can lead to it, typically you also have something else going on as well but it exaggerates it.
Cool. My friend and I are checking everthing tomorrow night. We were able the get bow to stern play in the trac bar at the frame bracket just pulling on it aggressively. So we are going to take a look at that.
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Cool. My friend and I are checking everthing tomorrow night. We were able the get bow to stern play in the trac bar at the frame bracket just pulling on it aggressively. So we are going to take a look at that.
If you have not upgraded that bolt on the axle side of the Track-bar that would be a great time to put a Grade 8 in 9/16 is the size i believe.

Good luck!!
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I have not experienced the Death Wobble yet but I just purchased the hardware kit from Northridge 4X4 as a preventative measure. It's the best deal on this grade 8 hardware kit. It's less money than going down tot he local hardware store and all the proper length bolts, nuts and washers are included.

If you are going to have the Jeep on the jacks and doing work on it, it may be a good time to just go ahead and replace the hardware.

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My friend and I are pulling apart the whole front end today.
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K balanced the tires seems less but not gone. Did front to back rotation. Jam nuts on tracbar were a little loose. Wiggle stilll present. Doesn't seem as aggressive but ill need to run it a few more days. Plan is one week from now taking stuff off and seeing what's loose if anything.
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K balanced the tires seems less but not gone. Did front to back rotation. Jam nuts on tracbar were a little loose. Wiggle stilll present. Doesn't seem as aggressive but ill need to run it a few more days. Plan is one week from now taking stuff off and seeing what's loose if anything.
Balanced the tires and seems less obvious, but still existing. Still running without a steering stabilizer, but I don't think that's the issue or important. Checked caster angles from the spec sheet of my last alignment and they are at 4.3 left and 4.2 right so that's good. All the ends on everything look ok. I don't know. We are gonna try and take apart one component at a time next Tuesday to see if we can find anything. I think I'm just replacing the tires period as well so we will see how that affects things.

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