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Old 01-17-2013, 11:44 AM   #61
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I think I'm just replacing the tires period as well so we will see how that affects things.
I recently sold some tires on craigslist that had been sitting in my garage for a long time. Turned out they were "unbalancable" and caused the TJ they went onto to shake uncontrollably. Of course I refunded the money, but before you buy tires, maybe you could run it with someone else's tires that you know are in good shape and see what happens.

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Old 01-17-2013, 06:00 PM   #62
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I recently sold some tires on craigslist that had been sitting in my garage for a long time. Turned out they were "unbalancable" and caused the TJ they went onto to shake uncontrollably. Of course I refunded the money, but before you buy tires, maybe you could run it with someone else's tires that you know are in good shape and see what happens.
I don't know anyone who wants to let me borrow their tires. lol It's all good. Seems to shake less now that I got them balanced still there though. I'm gonna drive it normally for the next week. See what comes loose and we are gonna get it up and go through components one by one.

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If you have a tj I have a set of 33s that are all balanced if you wanted to borrow them to see.
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:13 PM   #64
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They are just sitting in the garage
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They are just sitting in the garage
Thank you. Unfortunately I have a jk.
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:52 PM   #66
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Aww o well if you know anyone with jk to tj spacers the offers still open
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:47 AM   #67
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I don't know anyone who wants to let me borrow their tires. lol It's all good. Seems to shake less now that I got them balanced still there though. I'm gonna drive it normally for the next week. See what comes loose and we are gonna get it up and go through components one by one.
If you want to head to aurora sometime this weekend I have stocks we can flip around. If your problem is fairly predictable we could pull a NASCAR style swap (1.5 seconds or less!). I have e-470 nearby as well as some other pretty good stretches of road that you could test. Just give me a heads up since I'll be running around the city doing errands with the family. I have to get parts for my CB .
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:22 AM   #68
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If you want to head to aurora sometime this weekend I have stocks we can flip around. If your problem is fairly predictable we could pull a NASCAR style swap (1.5 seconds or less!). I have e-470 nearby as well as some other pretty good stretches of road that you could test. Just give me a heads up since I'll be running around the city doing errands with the family. I have to get parts for my CB .
Thanks. I work this weekend so that's not an option, but I appreciate it. As far as an SWR meter I know I have one hiding somewhere.
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Thanks. I work this weekend so that's not an option, but I appreciate it. As far as an SWR meter I know I have one hiding somewhere.
haha, I'll see if I need it. I have one built into my cb, but if I start getting bad readings I might want to take a reading at the antenna mount.
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Ok so the plan is for my friend and I to try and take off front end components one by one tomorrow and inspect all of them. If anyone is free and would like to help it would be greatly appreciated. Also if we can't find the cause I would love if someone who has had death wobble of their own and fixed it could chime in and help me out. I'm trying to figure this out on my own, but if I can't I'm gonna need someone with better problem solving and intuition to give their thoughts and perspective. I appreciate everyone's help so far. Wish us luck.
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Ok so the plan is for my friend and I to try and take off front end components one by one tomorrow and inspect all of them. If anyone is free and would like to help it would be greatly appreciated. Also if we can't find the cause I would love if someone who has had death wobble of their own and fixed it could chime in and help me out. I'm trying to figure this out on my own, but if I can't I'm gonna need someone with better problem solving and intuition to give their thoughts and perspective. I appreciate everyone's help so far. Wish us luck.
We retorqued all the front end. Jam nuts on tie rod were loose as crap. Tie rod end by the axle end was really loose. Tightened everything. Also the grease cert on one of my tie rod ends is missing. Need to find a 7mm one. Anyone know where I can find one? It still shudders. Need to drive it more to see how bad. Think part of it may still be tires. The new tires next week will tell. We will also recheck and retorque or remove front end depending on if tires fix it. Thanks everybody. I learned some even beinf under it today. I'll keep everyone in the loop
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After I had the several parts replaced I still had shudders here and there when I ran over bumps in the road. I did notice that these seemed to show up after I had the tires balanced and rotated a few weeks ago. Took it back to Discount Tire and they found they incorrectly balanced one of the front. Rebalanced that and the Jeep drives like magic.

Recap of what I have found on the subject:

Jeep wandered around the road like a sidewinder and a bad case of death wobble. Took it to the stealership and they replaced the tie rod and found the track bar pretty loose and tightened it. The wandering went away with the tie rod. Death wobble went away but I still had shudders when I hit bumps.

3-4 weeks later found the track bar was loose again. Tightened it back up.

3-4 weeks later found track bar loose yet again and starting to run into several instances of death wobble. It would go into full blown death wobble like 3 times in a 2 hour session of driving around town. Got worse under braking, better under acceleration.

Took it to Predator 4wd, they replaced the already after market track bar with a much heavier duty after market track bar. They also replaced the right front U-joint and drag link end. I believe these parts were trashed from the death wobble which then caused the death wobble to be even worse which then damaged the parts more.

With the last balancing everything is great and this Jeep drives like a dream. The lesson I am taking away from this is that once you have a period of full death wobble, and I am talking the kind where it feels like the front wheel is coming off, then other parts are being damaged if ever so slightly which causes enough looseness to bring it on more often.

Thank goodness I am past this. A few more months of death wobble and I would have sold it and I haven't even owned it for a year.

Sorry about hijacking your thread. You can get yours fixed. There are just so many components under there that all tie together. Keep us posted.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:03 PM   #73
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K everything is torqued tight. New tires are on. Took it to get aligned today and they did it wrong so I have to go back. I am still getting a very slight wiggle in the steering right at 50mph after resetting the speedometer. Tires are well balanced and good pressure. Still no ss. I'm running out of ideas on what it could be. Anyone?
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For alignments, try courtesy automotive. Formerly J and s auto and 4x4. They seem to know lifted Jeeps with adjustable arms and trackbars really well. I've gone twice and they are extremely thorough. They road test as well afterwords. And lack of ss won't cause wobble just mask it. I don't even use a ss anymore.
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Definitely check the balance again. Took mine in for a rotation and balance. Had a slight wiggle only when I hit potholes. Took it back to Discount and sure enough tire wasn't balanced right. No more wiggle.
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Definitely check the balance again. Took mine in for a rotation and balance. Had a slight wiggle only when I hit potholes. Took it back to Discount and sure enough tire wasn't balanced right. No more wiggle.
K I took it to Courtesy Automotive since Sears Auto screwed up the alignment so bad. Jon the head hancho there is a straight shooter. Honest and gives a crap. He said he will road test it. Look through all the steering and everything and try to give his best opinion as to why it is having the slight shimmy around 50mph. I dealt with Jon in the past and while his prices are much higher they are extremely thorough on the work that they do. We are getting closer to finding a solution, I just pray it's soon. The past few weeks have been extremely draining.
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K I took it to Courtesy Automotive since Sears Auto screwed up the alignment so bad. Jon the head hancho there is a straight shooter. Honest and gives a crap. He said he will road test it. Look through all the steering and everything and try to give his best opinion as to why it is having the slight shimmy around 50mph. I dealt with Jon in the past and while his prices are much higher they are extremely thorough on the work that they do. We are getting closer to finding a solution, I just pray it's soon. The past few weeks have been extremely draining.
Hope it works out for you. I've had good experiences Jon at courtesy
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It is a matter of finding someone you can trust. Also, sometimes, there is a bit of truth in "you get what you pay for." Well, except for dealerships. I usually come away from those feeling violated.
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Let me add to what I just posted. It seems that "you get what you pay for" has more to do when things are cheap than more expensive. More expensive doesn't always mean better, but, cheap usually just means, well, cheap.

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