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Old 12-31-2012, 09:32 PM   #1
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Good deal from PSC

Was out checking things out at psc and came across this:

87-02 XJ, YJ, TJ Steering Gear Box (Road Series) | PSCMotorsports.com performance steering components, power steering

Works on yj's and 02 and earlier tj's.

Already ordered mine

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Old 01-01-2013, 08:38 AM   #2
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nice, It doesn't have the ports for hydro steering thou. I have noticed that Tjs have less issues with turning then jks

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Old 01-01-2013, 09:19 AM   #3
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Well, if the numbers are correct it should have them, Wasn't all that concerned with the hydro though. I seriously doubt I would ever need it. I started counting the number of broken steering boxes this year and didn't like the percentage I came up with. Just want a box that I can put a reasonable amount of trust in.
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:16 AM   #4
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Ya, I here ya. Seems to have been the trend for 2012. See what 2013 brings.
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Old 01-01-2013, 11:28 AM   #6
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Just want a box that I can put a reasonable amount of trust in.
Read on that one, It doesn't come with the billet end cap

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Old 01-01-2013, 12:07 PM   #7
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Well since it will be wrapped up in a nice quarter inch plate box wouldn't be able to see it anyway
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Old 01-01-2013, 04:48 PM   #8
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Ed. I actually just talked my wife into finally fixing my steering. I believe this would be the best replacement would it not?
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Old 01-01-2013, 06:18 PM   #9
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For serious offroad screwing around, I would say yes. Stock gear boxes are too easy to break, especially if you're going to get into the 7 to 8 level stuff. For the price I don't think you can beat it.
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Well the goal will likely be a Baka style jeep.

What's the difference between this one and the one full spool linked.

Yup, pen and pad time.
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Old 01-01-2013, 06:57 PM   #11
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How bout we start with a little semantic foundation since I don't know what the hell you're talking about
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Well the goal will likely be a Baka style jeep.

What's the difference between this one and the one full spool linked.

Yup, pen and pad time.
I don't think there is a difference. You can see theboxes are forged, not billet. Unless PCS machines their own internals out of alloy, I can't see a difference in the lower cost platforms.
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I'm under the influence. Be nice!

Basically with my jeep I've come to the conclusion that I enjoy driving fast and jumping on trails more than I enjoy rock crawling.

That's what I plan to choose my upgrades based off. I'm pretty sure a majority of those changes will be suspension based.

So with that in mind. What is the difference between this PSC steering box and a different box?
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I don't think there is a difference. You can see theboxes are forged, not billet. Unless PCS machines their own internals out of alloy, I can't see a difference in the lower cost platforms.
Forged? Billet? No clue the difference or even what either are.
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Hey Guys, I just would like to throw a different brand out there for steering gearboxes. I have recently come from the Cummins diesel world into the Jeep world. I had read very, very good reviews about Redhead gearboxes. I bought one and had great results.
BTW, I have zero affiliation with the company, just throwing out another quality option for some to look into. They are a quality, family run business.
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Forged? Billet? No clue the difference or even what either are.
Forged = molten steel poured into a mold
Billet = machined out of a single piece of metal

Billet can introduce material in spots known to be weak points from trial and error with forged pieces. Design changes, and stronger material makes billet pieces prefered.

It would cost too much money, and take up too much room for a company to invest in forging processes, So they rebuild factory components, transmission, engine blocks, eg...
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Actually the boxes are cast, not forged. As for the internals there are gears and there are gears. Cheap internals break. I don't want to replace my box with a box that will break as easily as this one. PSC has about the best reputation of anyone around. This is not fancy it is just very well manufactured.

The basic issue, Brian, comes down to how much stress you are going to be placing on the steering box. Driving fast and jumping offroad put a lot of stress on the steering box. Serious rocks and whoopdedoos put a lot more stress on it.

It makes no sense to me to replace your steering box with oem or less because it was not designed to take this kind of abuse. For 300 you have a box that is much stronger than stock which means you are much less likely to end up dead in the water if you are pushing your jeep really hard. If you aren't planning on doing anything more difficult than Manchester Creek or the Gulches don't worry about it, you can have my old box. If you're going to push hard then get something that will hold up to the abuse.
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Actually the boxes are cast, not forged. As for the internals there are gears and there are gears. Cheap internals break. I don't want to replace my box with a box that will break as easily as this one. PSC has about the best reputation of anyone around. This is not fancy it is just very well manufactured.

The basic issue, Brian, comes down to how much stress you are going to be placing on the steering box. Driving fast and jumping offroad put a lot of stress on the steering box. Serious rocks and whoopdedoos put a lot more stress on it.

It makes no sense to me to replace your steering box with oem or less because it was not designed to take this kind of abuse. For 300 you have a box that is much stronger than stock which means you are much less likely to end up dead in the water if you are pushing your jeep really hard. If you aren't planning on doing anything more difficult than Manchester Creek or the Gulches don't worry about it, you can have my old box. If you're going to push hard then get something that will hold up to the abuse.
That was pretty much what I was guessing. And I agree with the idea of spending money on quality. I'm hoping to replace my current items with the parts that I plan to keep for many years.
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Actually the boxes are cast, not forged.
I've never been very knowledgeable in that stuff. I've pretty much had to read about it. Something to do with a furnace.
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Oh and yeah. As it stands I'm happy with what I've done trail wise. I'll likely not do any 'rockier' trails than I currently do.
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For 300 you have a box that is much stronger than stock which means you are much less likely to end up dead in the water if you are pushing your jeep really hard.
Reputation is always a plus. I looked their site over and can't find any writeups about what they do to make their boxes better. It's gotta be the internals, because they offer different gear ratios.
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Hey Guys, I just would like to throw a different brand out there for steering gearboxes. I have recently come from the Cummins diesel world into the Jeep world. I had read very, very good reviews about Redhead gearboxes. I bought one and had great results.
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I am not saying that PSC is the ultimate gear box. It is simply a high quality affordable box. This sounds like a good box but I know nothing about them. Might be interested in checking them out in the future but since I've already ordered one of the psc boxes I'm set for now. But thanks for bringing this company up
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I've never been very knowledgeable in that stuff. I've pretty much had to read about it. Something to do with a furnace.
Casting is a process where molten metal is poured into a mold or die. The molecular structure tends to be weaker than other processes.

Forging takes a piece of steel and pounds the living shit out of it into rough shapes. These rough shapes are then machined into gears, spindles, what have you. The forging process creates a much stronger molecular structure. Also in the forging process trace elements such as chromium and molybdenum can also be introduced to produce an even stronger molecular structure.

Forging material is obviously more expensive than casting. But in an output shaft on a gearbox, for example, a forged shaft will be much stronger than a cast one.

I assume that PCS is using forged components where applicable. If they weren't they would have been out of business long ago.
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I believe that PSC just has much better quality control and better construction tolerances. Some of the boxes use a better sector shaft than stock mass produced stuff. THEY WILL STILL BREAK in a jk. Sector shaft brace will delay it from happening. Most of the hardcore jk guys carry a spare sector shaft or box. Ram assist helps take some of the side load off of the box.
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Ah, yes, I will always be happy with my TJ even though the JK has a much better suspension design. I think my front suspension layout will come straight of a JK, in fact I think I could use Rock Crawler JK components if I wasn't such a snot about making my own pieces...
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Ah, yes, I will always be happy with my TJ even though the JK has a much better suspension design. I think my front suspension layout will come straight of a JK, in fact I think I could use Rock Crawler JK components if I wasn't such a snot about making my own pieces...
Anytime you want to measure stuff off my front end let me know
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I am not saying that PSC is the ultimate gear box. It is simply a high quality affordable box. This sounds like a good box but I know nothing about them. Might be interested in checking them out in the future but since I've already ordered one of the psc boxes I'm set for now. But thanks for bringing this company up
No problem. They have been around in the race world for a few decades and also in the truck world too.
As I stated, just wanted to throw another option out there. Good luck!
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Thanks! We'll see in the next few days. FedEx showed up with it today and there's a couple nice days coming up so I'm going to plug it in. Case is quite impressive, heavy cast iron, one piece and looks like I could bounce it off rocks all day long and not even phase it
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Thanks, I'm going to take you up on that even though you don't have a single stock component left in your front suspension If I can get the amount of flex out of mine that you have in yours I will be a very happy camper The hp30 carcass I have shows a lot better potential for modification than the TJ carcass. Also the longest tube in the axle is only about ten inches and both upper mounts are cast iron. Should take a lot of abuse.

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