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Old 11-22-2012, 08:48 PM   #1
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I bought a 2008 Jeep Wrangler S on a whim new. I'm happy with it overall, but I'm not happy with the highway power (took it over the Pass here and was ashamed). I really want to get more into offroading during the next year and I want to explore other states, so highway driving is important. Would you guys recommend buying a new model with the beefier engine or modifying the one I own? If you're in the camp to modify what I have, can you educate this newbie on what would best make it more offroad capable?

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Old 11-22-2012, 08:55 PM   #2
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When you get up into the high passes performance is going to be lousy, period. Take it to pueblo and see how it does, it will probably surprise you. Modifying engines is a very expensive can of worms and unless you are a serious gearhead you don't want to go there.

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When you get up into the high passes performance is going to be lousy, period. Take it to pueblo and see how it does, it will probably surprise you. Modifying engines is a very expensive can of worms and unless you are a serious gearhead you don't want to go there.
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But you could put a supercharger on it
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Old 11-22-2012, 09:08 PM   #4
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Yeah, to the tune of about five grand He'd probably do fine with a turbo but they are just about as pricey
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My question was more, if the opinion is that power is adequate compared to a new model, what could I do to make it more offroad capable (thinking lifts, tires, additional mods). I'd really like to make 2013 the year I get out there a lot more!

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Old 11-22-2012, 09:33 PM   #6
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Have to gear the 3.8 steep to get any performance out here. Auto trans or stick? The 3.8 with an auto is always going to be on the weak side. A plug in tuner, exhaust, headers, high flow intake, and a viper throttle body will make it better. But, you have a S model so any serious wheeling will require some thought of front axle replacement. The 2013 rubicon has better engine,transmission, and axles right out of the box. The 13 even has better front axle shafts than the 12 and down did.
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The 13 even has better front axle shafts than the 12 and down did.
I had no idea about that. If I wasn't already invested in my current Jeep I would strongly consider a newer model. Or honestly trade back to an lj. But once I've gone 5:13 or 5:38 that may be a different story.

OP, if you are feeling the pain now on stock sized tires, if you go larger and don't regear you'll really be struggling in those hills. I just live with it for now.

And as far as mods go, I think best is to wheel stock then build as you decide what you need. you can accomplish a lot with a stock JK and you'll get a better understanding for how exactly those mods well help you.
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Just beefier shafts, still not full circlip tho
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:10 AM   #9
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OP, if you are feeling the pain now on stock sized tires, if you go larger and don't regear you'll really be struggling in those hills. I just live with it for now.
x2, I have an 11 2 door Sport 6 speed manual. for almost a year I ran 35in Tires with stock 3.21 Gears. it was painful, burned 2 clutches in the process. I re-geared to 5.13 in Jun and couldn't be happier with the performance now.
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My question was more, if the opinion is that power is adequate compared to a new model, what could I do to make it more offroad capable (thinking lifts, tires, additional mods). I'd really like to make 2013 the year I get out there a lot more!

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If you are worried about the power stock upgrades will not help. Jeeps are not designed to fly up the mountain, thats for sports cars. A supercharger will be one of the only bolt on mods that will give you beneficial power gains from the engine. A regear will help but you will want to know what your tire size will be if thats the case. Jeepers dont do much to the jeep to make them fast on the road.

But that being said, if you want to get into offroading your S will do really well stock on most trails.

If you want to get out on trails just check the forums and meet up with a group of us heading out.
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in near stock form, your jeep probably is perfectly adequate for many front range trails. Maybe put some nicer stock (or maybe just a tiny touch larger) AT tires on it and go have some fun with the thing. All the while, READ ALLOT on the various forums (most definitely not just this one, i come here because i like the people and because they get out on a lot of moderate trails, not for the tech) so you can make your own informed decision about what you would really like the jeep to be, and how you would really like to use it.

its really nice out. why don't you jump in it, drive up to boulder and drive the main left hand canyon jeep road up to five points and back. nothing that a stock jeep can't handle, then stop at the southern sun for a burger, a pint, and a deep personal introspection about what you would like your jeep to be following this experience.

before you begin modifying your jeep (or any vehicle for that matter) you'll need to make some very informed decisions about such things as:

-how much money don't you have to spend on it
-how much of the work do you intend to do on your own
-how much do you intend to drive it at all, how much off road, how much on the street
-how much of a gearhead are you?

there are a MILLION way to build an off road vehicle, and pretty much every one of them will empty your pocket pretty quick, especially when you start thinking engines. an honest answer is that you really don't -need- to upgrade your engine. i know several guys who have had a blast at BV in samurai's on 35's, and i saw on another forum where a guy strapped one of those to a dyno and made a whopping 48 horsepower to the wheels.
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X2. Thinking things out and a lot of research go a long way to keeping your pocket book happy. It is almost guaranteed that anything you do right now you will regret later and end up replacing. JK's are quite capable right off the floor, much more than our beloved TJ's and you can do a hell of a lot with a stock TJ. Don't get bit by the change bug. Learn what your Jeep is capable of in stock form, which is a lot, before you start upgrading. You and your pocketbook will be happier in the long run.
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I'm happy with it overall, but I'm not happy with the highway power (took it over the Pass here and was ashamed). I really want to get more into offroading during the next year and I want to explore other states, so highway driving is important.
The only real answer is..

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Old 11-25-2012, 06:55 PM   #14
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And a three quarter super max...
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:59 PM   #15
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Thanks all...

I really appreciate the feedback from everyone. I'm hanging on to my 08.

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