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Old 03-11-2014, 08:29 PM   #1
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Lesson learned the hard way

Ok so you all know I broke an axle shaft a couple weeks ago. Its been in the garage a couple weeks without the shafts. Put together with unit bearings wheels brakes. You know a rolling moving Jeep. Pulled it out of the garage and to the street and bang. Both front wheels come off. The unit bearings both broke in half. The passenger side wheel was under the door breaking the knuckle off. The driver side is also broke and the wheel is in the wheel well.

After looking at it now the stub shaft is used to put pressure on the unit bearing to keep it together. If I had put the stub shafts back in and tightened them this would not have happened. So now I have to find a whole axle to rebuild mine. Money is tight so I am looking on craigs list for a whole axle. Hope I can get it together for the Phools trip.
And as my wife says, DUMBASS

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What axle do you need? I'll have an LP30 housing available soon... I am keeping the shafts and unit bearings as trail spares.

May not help you much, but it's here.

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Ahhhh that sucks. I never knew that until reading on the forums. It's easy to see how people can miss that. I forgot...what front axle did you have? I'll keep my eyes open too.
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Its a Lp d30. Need the shafts and the outer knuckles and bearings. Basically the whole axle
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Would you be interested in a HP30?
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Doug...Not sure if this helps but found this:


http://denver.craigslist.org/pts/4367101256.html
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I have the LP housing I pulled out of mine this summer. You can have it, delivered, for a beer at the Cantina. The hp would be a better deal but that would require new gears. I have a right spindle, I can get a left spindle at FN for about twenty bucks. Go through your axleshafts and bearings and see what is salvageable. Hopefully we can find enough pieces to get it back together.

Don't think you're the lone ranger when it comes to pulling that stunt. I did it once years ago thinking it's a unit bearing, what can it hurt. Luckily I caught the separation before it went into self destruct mode. And I have heard of people driving for miles like that. Go figure...
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Would you be interested in a HP30?
Would love a Hp but don't have the $ to rebuild the whole thing. Ed I do neet the right for sure. Need to look at the left. Think it is ok. Still need the shafts though. At least the right side shaft for sure. I can get the unit bearings from rock auto for about $20 each with a warranty.
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Well looks like I need both knuckles. The brake caliper tabs are bent on the other side.
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Ok, so I need to pick up driver side knuckle, passenger axle shaft. You sure the left axle shaft is ok? I'll need length of the axle shaft from center of u joint to end of splines. If you just need the outer shaft that goes through unit bearing let me know, I might be able to get that cheaper.
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Ok so you all know
And as my wife says, DUMBASS
As long as you've been playing with jeeps, and you didn't know this?

Kevin also says, dumbass.


I've got stock 30 shafts I've been trying to get rid of. Don't know of you wanna pick them up. I'm about to go in for more back surgery, so I can't travel very far.
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Old 03-12-2014, 02:46 PM   #12
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I forget that a lot of you handy guys only do this as a hobby and you don't know what you don't know. Ya, all bearings that have a shaft bolt thru them will come apart like that.
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Sad looking Jeep in your FB pics.
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Old 03-12-2014, 04:43 PM   #14
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I'd been told before that same information about the unit bearings, but I could never visualize why it would be an issue. I'm certain your unfortunate mistake will help a lot of uneducated folks.
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Don't feel bad. I've had Jeeps since 1992 and I only learned about that a few years ago when I saw it happen to a guy on Twin Cone. He broke an axle and removed it, then drove about 100 ft down the trail and had the same experience as you. I was lucky enough to learn about it from someone else's misfortune. You probably just helped a lot of other people avoid the same thing. ;-)

The guy on Twin Cone was part of a large group of highly modified Jeeps and not one person in his group told him not to drive with the axle removed.
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As long as you've been playing with jeeps, and you didn't know this?

Kevin also says, dumbass.


I've got stock 30 shafts I've been trying to get rid of. Don't know of you wanna pick them up. I'm about to go in for more back surgery, so I can't travel very far.
Trying to get rid of you say? Back surgery cannot be fun. Been to long man think you'll get out this summer?
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Hey I have no idea the recovery time. :-)
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So I have a question for you who have done the hpd30 conversion. Are the axle shafts the same on a Hp as a Lp d30. I may have found a Hp donor axle that I can build for a later install.
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This has some great info...
http://csloffroad.com/jeepzjxjwjaxleinfo.aspx
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You tell me what you think. This look like a high pinion d30? And please let menget this first. Dana 30 front end from 92 Jeep cherokee

You can tell it is up side down so that would put the pinion on the top
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You tell me what you think. This look like a high pinion d30? And please let menget this first. Dana 30 front end from 92 Jeep cherokee

You can tell it is up side down so that would put the pinion on the top
I'm pretty sure most hp30s are air actuated hubs, and are two piece tubes on the passenger side. Have a tendency to be weak. If you get one, make sure it isn't an air locking one.
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Trying to get rid of you say? Back surgery cannot be fun. Been to long man think you'll get out this summer?
Yeah, 27 spline. I can't use them. I could save the outer shafts, bit figure someone in a bind might make better use of them.

Might see ya this summer. Kinda got bored of wheeling in a two door full of kids. No place for donuts and soda. Jeep mostly hangs out in the barn with the boat , lol
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If Doug doesn't need them theyd definitely be nice for a back up. My jeeps still my dd.
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So I have a question for you who have done the hpd30 conversion. Are the axle shafts the same on a Hp as a Lp d30.
Yes the axle shafts are the same. You need to look for a '94-'99 XJ. Those will not have the vacuum disconnect and they will have the stronger/bigger U-joints.

EVERYTHING on a LP30 will swap over to a HP30 with the exception of your ring and pinion gear. However, if you swap your axle shafts, then either swap your rotors too or confirm the donor rotors are IDENTICAL. Some rotors have a shallower/deeper "hat" that will cause problems if you don't use the right one.

When I rebuilt mine before installation, I swapped over my current axle shafts and rotors and used the existing calipers. I also just replaced everything else for piece of mind...new ball joints, CA bushings, and all the innards as I did a regear too.

Also be sure to look at the inside of the pumpkin and verify the bearing caps are the original ones for that axle as they are machined from the original axle and shouldn't be swapped out.
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If you decide you want to build one, you are more than welcome to look me up. I have a big garage and all the necessary tools including doing a regear.
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This axle says it does not have the vac disconnect on it. It says its from a 92 but it could be wrong too. As for the look at yours I would love to.

I also have access to and can do the regear here at my garage. Did the lift, regear, transmission rebuild and several other things here. The guys that have wheeled with me here in Buena Vista know my garage is always open. Thanks for the offer. As you can tell I am far from perfect but hey I try.

Just waiting for a call back from the seller. I missed him last night so I will try again today.
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so then easy enough, just swap over your current axle shafts with unit bearings and rotors and you will have no problem.
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Ok, so do you still need the low pinon housing Doug?

As far as hp 30's go, I used a late Comanche axle. It has the disconnect housing but is a heavier axle than the one used in the Cherokee. In fact it is heavier than my rear 44.

If the rotors, knuckles, and shafts are ok you can swap every thing from the hp to the lp. That way you won't have any mix and match problems.
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That's what I am thinking. This will get me going and I can build th Hp for a later date. I looked it up and it is a non disconnect axle. The only down fall is that the u joints are smaller than the newer models. I want to eventually upgrade to alloy shafts. But at least I can get back on the road

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