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Old 07-11-2014, 06:22 PM   #31
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I second that on the airing down part. I was amazed what a difference it made.

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I'm running 40psi right now, which seems high anyways. If I bring it down to 20-25 would that be alright or should I use the stuan deflators and go to 18 or lower?

Thanks again! I've been in the big trucks and little German cars and know that there are several things I don't know. So after reading multiple threads about off-roading, I appreciate all the help....I'm all about doing it right the first time to minimize problems.

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What size tire?
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Old 07-11-2014, 06:42 PM   #34
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This is from bushducks,com 7/5/14 - Black Bear is closed. The forest service is working on opening it this week. 7/5/14 - Open to the summit. Trail is blocked by snow shortly after the summit. There was no crew or equipment so it doesn't appear to be being worked on.
Thanks, I called the ranger office for the area (970) 240-5300 they hope to have it open by the 17th.
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If this is the size , 325/65-18 Duratracs I would start with 20psi. That what I ran all week on 33's. Before I left Ouray for the drive home I aired back up.
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325/65-18 is right. Thanks.

I've been running 40 on the road and thinking about lowering it a few lbs.

I think before I head out I need to disconnect the sway, air down to 20, put it into 4L and just feel how the jeep drives--just feel it out a bit
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Not really airing down Unless your below 12-15 psi. Remember airing up in the mountains is going to be a lot different than at sea level... The compressor will work a lot harder to air your tires up.
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Makes sense. So would it be beneficial to lower the air from 40 even if I don't go to 12-15? I was hoping to get a co2 tank before going but that might not happen so we'll have a small compressor for 2 jeeps --1 on 35's, 1 on 33's
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A small compressor will have it's hands full airing up 8 tires at that elevation. Plan on giving it several breaks so you don't burn it up. If you plan on airing down regularly buy a VERY Good compressor ARB ckmta12 for example. A CO2 set up will work also but the bad there is if you run out of CO2 your done. I bought a tank from a liquor store filled $75, regulator $50, Hose and connections $50.

If the ride is comfortable at 40 and tire wear is good leave it. On long trips I run 35-40psi for better mileage.
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My overall plan was to buy a powertank and when I do lockers, install the ARB ckmta12 for lockers and backup air but lockers are pretty far in the distance. My main air source would be the powertank though. I almost bought a tank from someone on craigslist but he wanted $100 for empty tank and 60 psi regulator. Good idea though...I'm gonna check with some liquor stores around here.
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Thanks Dif. Appreciate the help a lot. So a few things. I'm in a sport so no lockers. Does this change any recommendations?

Also, since I'm new to this (sorry for newbie questions), am I going to stay in 4L most of the time? Are there times I'll need to disconnect the front sway bar?
Wow, I was in a hurry after my last post and didn't proof read my post. Geeee, so many errors, My apology. (I was in a hurry to catch the 8AM turnip truck that I fallen off of the previous evening)

Don't worry about the questions, No apology necessary, we have all been there.

Swaybar disconnect:
Disconnecting will give your more articulation, that will give you more tire contact that will give you more traction but will give you less stability. Stability is more important at high speeds.Disconnecting will also give you a smoother ride. Its a judgment call that is tempered by experience, trail driving style and the wisdom you use to pick your route as you see it before you. I usually stay connected.

Lockers:
There are probably more folks jeepin in that area (Ouray, Telluride, Silverton ) without lockers than those that do. Poughkeepsie Gulch is the trail where lockers would be most helpful. More about that later.

Airing down:
Air down for two reasons, better traction and smother ride.
Generally our vehicles are much lighter than the load range rating for the big hulking tires that we have on them. Running recommend pressure will beat you to death on the trails. As an example, on my TJ Rubicon with BFG MK2s, I never inflate more than 20PSI even for highway speeds (70-80mph) and on the trail I run 12PSI. Each tire model wheel and vehicle will hve different characteristics, and require some experimentation. At low pressure, the MK2s drive too funky on pavement but at 20psi are just right. On the trail, much lower than 10PSI and you risk separation between the bead and the rim of the wheel.

Airing back up:
Im not a big fan CO2 (big argument , will not discuss here), I don't use it plus it has to be refilled, so it is a continuous expense. OBA is the best way to go.
I have a twin ARB and a small volume tank. As noted earlier, if you can get a good ride at 20PSI then leave it there and don't worry about airing down on the trail at all. You may still hve good traction at that pressure. Other than Poughkeepsie, I keep my pressure at 20 for most all the trails in that area.

4low or high:
Best judgment and how fast you want to travel, how much dust you create. Depending on different parts and different trails, high 4 can often be run easy, sometime you need 4low. It will be obvious to you when on the trail.

Poughkeepsie Gulch:
The Gulch runs basically north and south, with the south end being uphill, a steep incline. The gulch starts at a pretty body of water, Lake Como and that is the start of the Uncompahgre River (that eventually runs through Ouray). It is a narrow gulch so it does not get as much sunlight and as a result never really dries. Plus the trail is often in the stream bed. The gulch is two way and can be run either direction. The south end is accessed (or depart) by California Pass or Hurricane Pass. IMO, I think it is best to run the trail from the north to south, going uphill. Some of the obstacles are steep and many vehicles have tipped over coming down the "Wall". The major obstacles are high on the south end which includes "The Wall".

Lockers on Poughkeepsie. Just as you are approaching the wall, the trail turns west and you climb a steep hill. There is a large (usually muddy) step that is difficult to get up without lockers, but can be done, or you can winch up (no anchor points). At the top of that hill is a small staging area before taking on the Wall. Lockers are helpful here and low tire pressure to enhance traction to make it up the wall. A local Colorado club has installed numerous winch (anchor) points because winching up is so common. There is no by-pass to get up the wall, you either have to climb it, winch it, or return. Continuing south, there has been a lot of ATV activity and there is a maze of trails cut by them (bad trail respect). Some of the obstacles as a result will require lockers, but at this point there are by-passes, and you can complete the trail if you can't climb the more aggressive parts. In summary, Poughkeepsie Gulch can be done without lockers (done it many times with my CJ), defiantly better to have them (as wayne d suggest in his post); but a winch is pretty much mandatory.

Another point about Guide books. Every year signage is washed away, knock down, plowed down by snow plows, etc. I would recommend the use of the SD Card chips that Funtreks sell in conjunction with their printed guide. The cards plug into most GPS and give your exact location and let you know if you are on or off the trail.

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Old 07-12-2014, 08:26 PM   #42
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I would also recommend the SD cards from funtreks. Although on my old garmin cheap one $99 all it showed was the trailhead. But it could have been me or the way I loaded them in. A big wild guess is me.
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Old 07-16-2014, 04:20 PM   #43
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Black Bear is OPEN!!

Just checked San Miguel County website San Miguel County Colorado | Road & Bridge Department and Black Bear is open, will be in Ouray on Monday night and plan to run BB on Tuesday!!
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Everyone has given great advice already, but here is some from a pretty new Jeeper as well (only had it about 15 months, but hit a lot of trails with it). Anything rated a 5 or lower you and your Jeep should breeze through.

We just did Ophir Pass, Corkscrew, Poughkeepsie, Imogene Pass, Hurricane pass, California and Mineral Creek last week.

The Poughkeepsie Wall took me a couple of tries in my JKUR with 4" on 35s. My buddy had to winch his lifted on 35"s Sport up it. You have to run part of Mineral Creek to get to the P. Gulch trail head. If that portion of Mineral Creek is at the top of your comfort level, don't do P. Gulch. If you guys feel fine on Mineral, go ahead and run P. Gulch to the Wall and have a look at it.

Rock garden before the wall...





The Wall from the top...



Climbing the top portion...



Our first trip out there last year we did this nice 3/4 day loop:

Mineral Creek
Engineer (only down to Animus Forks)
Hurricane
California
Corkscrew

I've got about 200 photos from that trip up on my site (not all edited yet though). The last one on the second page is actually a folder that contains Ophir and Imogene photos (I've not gone though those yet, hence the subfolder).

Feel free to ask any questions.
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Awesome! Thanks. I appreciate all the suggestions and help.
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Try not to do Black Bear if it is raining or has rained a lot the night before or early. That Staircase area and sharp switchback below it can become really slick. That Jeep that rolled off the edge of the switchback- that happened on a really wet trail.
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GREAT PHOTOS!!!

Your first photo is the muddy step just before you go up and to the left to get to the wall. (I know you know that, but for others)

The muddy step I referred to in post 41 re: Poughkeepsie Gulch is no longer muddy. and I note that the stream to the right is filled in with gravel wash and it appears that the step can be bypassed.

I guessing that so much drainage came down this year that it cleaned the step (cleaner and MUCH wider that previous years) and filled the stream to the right. Years before, there was a concern that a jeep could tip over into the stream if too far to the right.

Glad to see from your photos that you did the step the "Jeep" way and not the easy way

Thanks for the photos, they help a lot.

Will be in the area starting July 27.

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GREAT PHOTOS!!!

Glad to see from your photos that you did the step the "Jeep" way and not the easy way

Thanks for the photos, they help a lot.

Will be in the area starting July 27.

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I'll be in Ouray the same dates as you. I was there last year, so I have run a lot of trails already. I don't have a set schedule of trails yet, but if you want to tag along with me, you're welcome to.
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I'll be in Ouray the same dates as you. I was there last year, so I have run a lot of trails already. I don't have a set schedule of trails yet, but if you want to tag along with me, you're welcome to.

That would be awesome. I'll message ya when we kinda know our schedule. Would be sweet to jeep with others!
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We're heading out to Telluride Labor Day weekend. We won't be up there more than a day or two but I'm planning to do Imogene pass over to Ouray on our "long" way to Durango. From the research I've done the Imogene pass trail to Ouray looks like a nice scenic trail to get a taste of the area. I've never been to the Telluride/Ouray area, but can't wait to check it out. We are probably pretty equal in equipment and experience, so please let us know what you think or trails you suggest. Safe travels!
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Made it to Santa Fe, NM today. Going to stay here tonight and tomorrow and drive to CO Friday. We believe we'll get to CO around noon-1pm.

Anyone have a suggestion of a short trail we could complete when we arrive on Friday? Sunday we will be concentrating on the alpine loop and Saturday we lose our keeping partner and will have to find something to do...might reach out to you Rendell.
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Made it to Santa Fe, NM today. Going to stay here tonight and tomorrow and drive to CO Friday. We believe we'll get to CO around noon-1pm.

Anyone have a suggestion of a short trail we could complete when we arrive on Friday? Sunday we will be concentrating on the alpine loop and Saturday we lose our keeping partner and will have to find something to do...might reach out to you Rendell.
One of the shortest is Black Bear ;-)
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I see alta lakes, immogene pass and Yankee boy basin all in telluride it seems. Or maybe another on the way? We want to be off the trail prior to sun down.
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One of the shortest is Black Bear ;-)
It can't be that bad right haha. This'll be my first offroad trip so will have to work up to it.
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It can't be that bad right haha. This'll be my first offroad trip so will have to work up to it.
Replied to your PM. The thing you gotta realize is most of these are just slightly rough dirt roads with a cliff on one side. They let people with no off roading experience rent mostly stock Jeeps and send them on their way. I took my girlfriend, who HATES heights down Black Bear last year and she was fine.
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I haven't found a rental company that will "let you go down black bear" its against all there rules. I might have done it if black bear was open lol
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Just got to telluride! What an amazing drive. Our balcony faces black bear pass.

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