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Old 04-02-2013, 06:12 PM   #31
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I didn't make that run myself but if I recall correctly (could be wrong here) that wasn't intended to be a night run, it was a day run that went longer that intended. Either way it was a decent size group with some very experienced wheelers with some highly modified rigs and I would bet my left nut that there was at least one PLB in that group and that none of those experienced drivers in their highly modified rigs took on "Big Momma" in the dark as the OP intended to do. Right?

Oh yeah and nice pics, you always take great photos. Is it a hobby or do you work in photography?
I think that was a different run. We skipped Big Momma since it was a bit icy/snowy and we didn't want to be winching/struggling for hours.

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Hey look shiny red ball.
Is it attached to a black leather head harness?
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Is it attached to a black leather head harness?
What kinda freaky sh*t you into? Lol
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What kinda freaky sh*t you into? Lol
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
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Can't we all just...get along.
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Did someone say shiny red ball with head harness??
Ah man. We need to wheel again my friend.
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That's the thing Chuck, I don't have to make an argument for not carrying a PLB the same as in I'm not arguing that YOU shouldn't be going somewhere YOU feel YOU need a PLB. Wow did we really just transition this to another PLB thread? That's original. Now we've successfully hijacked this 3 plus times. Pretty good.
Listen, I don't know you but I assume that if you ran into me out on the trail in need you'd lend a helping hand and I would certainly do the same for you however that doesn't change the fact that you're the one who jumped into this thread because you felt I was giving the OP a hard time. By the way, your entry into this thread was immediately following my inquiry to the OP regarding whether or not she at least took the single precaution of carrying a PLB while engaging in overly risky behavior so I guess this thread has been about PLB's from the time you entered it.

Bottom line, the OP is going to hurt someone sooner or later and that's my issue with her, she's dangerous. I've had at least one PM today from another member here recounting 2 separate trail rides where he personally witnessed the OP putting other people at risk of bodily harm (if not potential death) as well as risk of damage to another person's vehicle in a separate incident. Apparently he doesn't feel comfortable posting that information publicly and I can certainly understand if he doesn't want to take the type of heat I've taken as a result of calling her out. If anyone here questions whether or not I've received such a message the mods have an open invitation to check my PM folder and verify the accuracy of my statement regarding the message.

And you are 100% correct, you don't "have" to do anything you don't want to. I wasn't telling you that you "had" to do anything. I simply stated, "I guess it's your life (and the lives of your loved ones that ride with you) but what argument could you possibly make for not carrying a PLB? ". In other words, I "asked" because I don't understand the mentality of someone who feels that a PLB is not a necessary piece of gear while off-roading. By your lack of response I think it's pretty clear you have no logical explanation for not carrying a PLB which isn't surprising because there are none. Some people will spend thousands of dollars on new wheels for their Jeep when it comes with perfectly functional wheels at the point of purchase, yet those same people won't invest $100 in a device that could save their lives (and the lives of S&R personnel).

Jeeping by it's very nature is a risky hobby (at least more so than knitting), and I think that's what attracts most of us to it. We're all a bit of adrenaline junkies by virtue of being off-roaders however that doesn't mean we shouldn't mitigate that risk whenever we can especially when the risk mitigation does nothing to take away from the experience. Maybe it's my background and having to put myself and my personnel in harms way to rescue people who are ill-prepared and irresponsible but I see the OP constantly boasting about taking excessive risk and it bothers me because I know it's just a matter of time before someone else has to pay the price for her behavior.

If you see things differently then I guess there's nothing else I can say to convince you so we'll just leave it at that and I'll just hope that neither you nor the OP ever find themselves in a situation where a PLB is needed.
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Did someone say shiny red ball with head harness??

Hmmmm, not sure if I want to ask how you knew where to find that pic?
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Well this has certainly gotten blown out of proportion here. It was not my intent to start a discussion on the OP's trail worthiness, preparedness, skill as an offroader, mechanic or any such other judgement of her. I have never met her, wheeled with her or even had a discussion with her. I have however heard from other people that she is a competent offroader but I have no experience of my own to go off and therefore have no real opinion.

It merely appeared to me that you were picking on her so I simply said "ease up". You called her out for mentioning an obstacle you had never heard of and then made a very brash statement about lack of brains for running LHC in the dark and then questioned her use of a PLB while you were also the one in the old thread asking if she should be banned from the forum. Without debating whether or not the OP has made appropriate comments in the past, I felt as if you were looking to pick a fight with her. I also personally disagree with your assessment of LHC as a dangerous trail but again that is an opinion and is really irrelevant.

The funny thing is I only said something because I hate to see people being judged off a few comments on internet forum but look what's happened? You started making judgements about me and my lack of use of PLB. Seems to be a pattern no? I guess I am an irresponsible risk taker with no regard for myself or others right?

Just remember that there is some dude sitting on the couch somewhere who thinks everything we do is ridiculous, dangerous and utterly irresponsible. It doesn't matter to him whether you wheel with a PLB, Sat Phone, AR-15 and a months worths of MRE's. When HE starts making rules on the interwebs we're all gonna have to turn in our jeeps. So when you're judging everyone and basing it off your comfort level just think about whether you want to be judged the same way.

And FYI there is a whole camp of people who are VERY anti-PLB's. I am not in that camp but there is something to be said for people getting in over their head simply because they have a safety net.
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Got a link to one you'd recommend on the cheap?

Also I know nothing about these but it would play a double roll and be in my pack when doing 14ers as well so I'm not sure how small they are.
I can’t personally recommend a particular model as it’s been so long since I researched and purchased mine. I can tell you that the current models are much smaller, lighter, and cheaper than the model I own (which you definitely wouldn’t want for hiking/climbing 14ers due to the size and weight). I have two of the TerraFix 406 GPS I/O PLB’s that I purchased about 7 years ago (for anyone wondering, yes I have sent them both in to have the batteries replaced by an authorized service center).

Just Google “Personal Locator Beacon” and check out one of the results for a store like Amazon where user’s can leave product reviews and I'm sure you'll find some good info that'll lead you to the one that's right for you.
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Well this has certainly gotten blown out of proportion here...
Looks like we finally found a point we can both agree on!
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Looks like we finally found a point we can both agree on!
I knew we'd find something.
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Good lord. The wheeling season just needs to start so we can get off the computers...
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Good lord. The wheeling season just needs to start so we can get off the computers...
exactly!!!
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Got a link to one you'd recommend on the cheap?

Also I know nothing about these but it would play a double roll and be in my pack when doing 14ers as well so I'm not sure how small they are.


Check out www.findmespot.com and InReach

I'm not personally a PLB fan, as it ONLY sends for 911. both of these will send info to friends & FB, allowing for a cocordinated rescue done by people with much more experience then S&R in most situations.

I've worked with S&R many times (on the river, on the snow, and on the trail), and this isn't meant as a cut, but the way in which they work is less than productive in many situations.
These two allow you to send for help from friends, but ALSO call for S&R.

For example, the "rescue" we did on Saxon a few months ago would have been done HOURS earlier, and with nearly zero risk had Mychael and his crew had a spot, and even quicker if he had an inreach... and he was even IN cell service! (barely)

I've got an inreach now, have had spots in the past, had to use a spot when a rider broke his back filming one day... they're pretty cheap, easy to use, and they WORK.




I've wheeled with the OP... had a great day, cool gal, fun to wheel with, and she seemed pretty intelligent. I think perhaps online discussions make someone look like more of a cowboy than they are. That said I harassed her for wanting to do Leavenworth creek (off guanella) this winter... we've all got our level of comfort, BUT it comes down to who else will get dragged into a situation YOU caused to save you. The thing on Saxon could have been way worse, but either way I ended up leaving my family, and driving up a snowy trail in the middle of the night, because someone ELSE chose to take a level of risk I didn't.
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The funny thing is that all this back and forth going on with people coming to the defense of the OP, JeepChix. Not once has she said she was offended. Actually with her comment about not being able to see the cliffs in the dark I think she blew it off and moved on.

I think many of us, from reading her posts, seem to know where JeepChix is coming from. She loves her jeep, loves running everything, won't say no to any challenge in a jeep and lives on the edge of excitement. She's young. To each their own.

That said, I used to do lots of night wheelin' back when I was her age and most of it alone. Got stuck and stranded once at 1:00 AM in January. Learned a lot of lessons that night. Had to call in authorities for rescue.

With age comes experience and wisdom.

JeepChix, you keep on shocking and us old farts will keep responding with "Wow. Just wow." It's all good. Just be careful. (gawd I sound like my mom)
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So I never came back to this thread and when I saw there had been 2 pages worth I had to read ALL the comments! I wasnt offened once! In text its hard to convey tone but I was LAUGHING MY ASS OFF! It was so amusing, hard to convey tone here, the pictures and funny kinky shit! bwahahahaha
Anywho I want you guys on this fancy internet site I am so secure in my self and can handle my own and dont give a shit and love jeeps, I am young and I cant stop thinking about jeeps! So if I seem to come on strong I am sorry, I love jeeps and have experience and go balls deep ;] Deeper than the boys...
Little bit more information is that yes I am new to the State however please let me know your experience instead of stupid opinions, for example I have wheeled my Grandy and out wheeled a, lower,bigger axle, 54Superswamper(in the snow) So I can say hey you need good spotting however you are more than capable. Helpful experience like that is all I ask and wheeling buddies.

Joeuncool-ness finished the thread well and made me go awww:

TO: MajorChuck Thanks for being worried about me, I have 2 capable jeeps that I wheeled since high school so I have a good head on my shoulders(from the stupid to the boring)and appreciate the PB(keeping what you said in mind), I had to call my brother in law to save me quite a few times! AND thats before I moved here! You sound strong headed just like me and LOVE IT!

I did do big mama with very good spotter had a good engine cooked weenie.No snow and it was decently warm. Plan doing it again!
hahahhaha I am going back to reread everyones comments no hard feelings =]
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Oh I didnt think this through but if my comment seems to start another fire IM SORRY! =[ its still just a fourm and maybe Ill finally make friends here hahaha and then I can wheel with them and you wont have to worry about me.
Promise *crosses heart*
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I think you fit in here just fine jeepchix. Just keep doing what you're doing. If someone else doesn't like it they can go to jeepforum.
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Did someone say shiny red ball with head harness??
Yea, I'm not going to comment on the kinky that's going on here
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So I never came back to this thread and when I saw there had been 2 pages worth I had to read ALL the comments!
Hey, JeepChix, I was attempting to send you a PM, but I got a message that your inbox is full.
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