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Old 07-23-2013, 02:14 PM   #241
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Great info. Thanks for passing along and sharing.
Also, just noticed everyone has tops on. Weather or safety? Was thinking of going topless but wondering why I should not?

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Old 07-23-2013, 04:09 PM   #242
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Great info. Thanks for passing along and sharing.
Also, just noticed everyone has tops on. Weather or safety? Was thinking of going topless but wondering why I should not?

Weather.

Right now, pretty much rains ever afternoon. Mornings can be pretty cool especially if you are at real altitude . Also can be quick mountain shower anytime of day. If you can get a soft top on quick, then going topless is a good thing.

Standard clothing to keep in your Jeep is a hooded rain jacket, a light coat and warm hat.

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Old 07-27-2013, 10:09 PM   #243
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We are headed to Ouray at the end of September. We have jeeps no mods though, just factory. Looking for recommendations on trails that aren't too tough for factory.

Any help on trails would be great! Thanks, Jim
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Old 07-27-2013, 10:32 PM   #244
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I love the Alpine Route. Am here right now. Imogene is a classic. Governor and Yankee Boy are great. All good for stock 32s. I did Black Bear on 32s and was on 35s this time. Nice but VERY eroded compared to last year. Must be getting crazy rain here. Oh, Ophir is also cool as is Mineral. All but Black Bear and Poughkeepsie are good for stock 32s. I hav not done California, Corkscrew, or Animas.
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:56 AM   #245
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Agreed that almost all trails on the area are ok for stock. Poughkeepsie is one to stay away from stock.
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Old 07-28-2013, 10:26 PM   #246
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So black bear can NOT be done in a stock jeep? I keep getting conflicting reports.
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Old 07-28-2013, 10:31 PM   #247
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It can. You just need to go slowly down the Staircase, since it is more eroded than last year.
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Old 07-29-2013, 01:45 PM   #248
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Slow! I'm sure that wont be a problem. Just hoping for nice weather. Spending three days, two full and want to be safe, have fun, enjoy the scenery and see as much as possible.
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I love the Alpine Route. Am here right now. Imogene is a classic. Governor and Yankee Boy are great. All good for stock 32s. I did Black Bear on 32s and was on 35s this time. Nice but VERY eroded compared to last year. Must be getting crazy rain here. Oh, Ophir is also cool as is Mineral. All but Black Bear and Poughkeepsie are good for stock 32s. I hav not done California, Corkscrew, or Animas.
THANKS! I can not wait, we did Moab two years ago, and Salida CO 7 years ago! We so looking forward to this trip!

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Old 07-30-2013, 08:47 PM   #250
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OH, I forgot to mention, we have one in the group that wont be in a Jeep, he will be in a four runner, any problems with that getting around....OTHER than its not a jeep
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:33 AM   #251
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So black bear can NOT be done in a stock jeep? I keep getting conflicting reports.
Just got back
Met HK_Runner there and we ran many trails including Black Bear.

Yes......you can run Black Bear stock. Not easy to do, but possible. You really need to pick your way and stay away from any trail challenges that you don't need. Not much choice on the last step just before Ingram
Falls, but still doable.

YOU WILL NEED YOUR WITS ABOUT YOU.

It is very intimidating. Runner and I just completed that step and met a bike at the bottom of the step. He was very stressed and obviously shaken.

Actually the less obvious danger to OHV is the switch backs AFTER Ingram falls. Used to be the first three switch backs. Now that Runner and I did them this week, I will say the first four. Those switch backs are very tight, rough, and unforgiving.

Know your jeep well (hand break, friction points, turning radius, well tuned and everything in good working order and serviced, etc.) Be able to do a very tight three point turn on a slope. Someone spotting is also a good idea.

Do not take this trail lightly.

I have some great photos and will try to post them in the next day or so.
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Leaving Denver tomorrow morning, 285 to BV then down to Alamosa, Wolf Creek, Pagosa over to Durango and found a place at Purgatory to room.
Starting off Thursday with Ophir over to Telluride, Immogene back towards Ouray. Hopefully a little time to see a bit of both places although that's not the scenery we expect to be the highlights.
Both pretty much stock JKs off showroom. Debating Black Bear since first time over there.
Friday back out from Purgatory and taking Engineer to Lake City, should have time to explore area and spurs a bit. Debating gong straight through and seeing Black Canyon outside Gunnison. We have people n from Texas. Thoughts?
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Old 08-12-2013, 09:45 PM   #253
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Returned and survived Ouray and its incredible trails and passes.
Started with Ophir out of Silverton and it was as expected drive and trail wise. The scenery was incredible! It took about an hour and half with many stops for photos, etc.
Stopped in Telluride for a bite and then to Imogene. OMG! What a surprise that was. More nerve racking than challenging, but trying to pass on the narrow road was stressful. Coming down the east side was more difficult than expected due to rocks, etc. Stock jeep with 255/70/16 tires, no lift. This took about 3.5 hours.
The following day we did Engineer. This should NOT be done with a stock jeep in my opinion. Even taking time to try and pick my lines I hit my skid plate several times. Rocks were the main challenge. Since this is my main transportation I was concerned of damaging something.
Scenery wise, Engineer was by far the most beautiful.
It took us about 6 hours to finally reach Lake City.
All in all, I would and will do these again, but only after tires for sure and maybe either a small lift of leveling of the jeep.
I have read on here that you would be surprised what you can do with a stock jeep. That is an understatement! The more I drove the more it impressed me. Every time I doubted, I was proven wrong.
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Old 08-12-2013, 10:02 PM   #254
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I dont remember those trails being difficult even when I was stock. Glad you had fun.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:27 PM   #255
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Returned and survived Ouray and its incredible trails and passes.
Started with Ophir out of Silverton and it was as expected drive and trail wise. The scenery was incredible! It took about an hour and half with many stops for photos, etc.
Stopped in Telluride for a bite and then to Imogene. OMG! What a surprise that was. More nerve racking than challenging, but trying to pass on the narrow road was stressful. Coming down the east side was more difficult than expected due to rocks, etc. Stock jeep with 255/70/16 tires, no lift. This took about 3.5 hours.
The following day we did Engineer. This should NOT be done with a stock jeep in my opinion. Even taking time to try and pick my lines I hit my skid plate several times. Rocks were the main challenge. Since this is my main transportation I was concerned of damaging something.
Scenery wise, Engineer was by far the most beautiful.
It took us about 6 hours to finally reach Lake City.
All in all, I would and will do these again, but only after tires for sure and maybe either a small lift of leveling of the jeep.
I have read on here that you would be surprised what you can do with a stock jeep. That is an understatement! The more I drove the more it impressed me. Every time I doubted, I was proven wrong.
Sounds Like a blast!! I am heading down there for Labor Day weekend.....i was wondering what other trails you did you along with Engineer?? Or did you just stay on engineer from Ouray to Lake City?
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:10 PM   #256
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I dont remember those trails being difficult even when I was stock. Glad you had fun.


While I don't know what route JKWedge took to get to Engineers pass, I am guessing that he went via "Mineral Creek".

To get to Engineers pass from the west side there are 3 possible ways, 1 From Silverton through Animas Forks, 2, Corkscrew/ California pass (also taking you through Animas Forks), and 3rd is Mineral Creek. By far, Mineral Creek is the roughest trail. Extreme rough road less than 100 yards from 550 until you get to the timber line.

Mineral creek is one of my favorite trails. It does not have any notable landmarks, but some beautiful views and outstanding water falls (if you know where to look), tight switchbacks, narrow shelf road, and a lot of mining history. Takes a lot of skill to pick your way to the seeming endless obstacles, beats you up quite a bit. You do NOT want to open a carbonated drink while on this trail. About mid way, it intersects with Poughkeepsie Gulch. Mineral Creek trail is part of the Alpine loop and a lot of people confuse it as being part of Engineers pass trail. The trail starts on the west end at HWY 550, and the east end "Ts", north to Engineers Pass, south to Animas forks (Cinnamon, California gulch, Treasure Loop and a host of other destinations)

Sorry to be presumptuous, but when I read JKWidge's comment, my first though was that he took the Mineral Creek trail to get to Engineers Pass.
Hopefully he will comment back and let us know which way he went.
Here are a few photos I took about 15 days ago showing a few segments of the shelf. I look to see if I have any photos of the roughness, but have none........dugh...too rough to even take a photo.

East bound, early in morning
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West bound, in the rain meeting another jeep
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:54 PM   #257
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One more time with photos..........I hope

Mineral Creek Trail, my jeep east bound, early morning (just before sunrise)



Mineral Creek Trail, through the windshield of my west bound jeep and raining, I pulled over to let uphill jeep pass.

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Old 08-15-2013, 09:23 AM   #258
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You are correct and I am more educated...scary thing for me. It was Mineral just south of Ouray off of 550 on the left.
My stock JK and its low clearance were an issue in several spots. Yes, I was careful and picked my lines.
After joining Poughkeepsie there was at least one obstacle and it was a good one. Other than that it was much easier.
Since this is my daily driver it was advice for others who may go. Butt puckering at some places, but isn't that why we go? I don't know if I would say "difficult" but for what I was in, it was challenging and my thoughts were to not damage anything.
Imogene was tight and narrow and passing in some areas was hair raising.
I saw some views that took my breath away, some that most people will never see. On all trails, Ophir, Imogene and Engineer.
Will or would I go again? Of course! Just not on tiny tires.
I spent my first summer learning from experiences and from people I either met or post on here. I learned a lot and will continue to do so.
The jeep never failed me nor did I ever not trust it. What a magnificent machine! I will upgrade tires, maybe lift (as high as wife allows or more) eventually and continue to enjoy.
Anyone who has never been to that part of Colorado has missed Colorado for sure.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:48 AM   #259
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By far my favorite place in Colorado. I agree bigger tires helped out alot clearing the rocks. Mineral is a tough trail we accidentally did it at night last year. Pretty sure we did again last month lol. Hard to remember after those 12 hour trail days.
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Heading up tomorrow for a week! Gonna camp and looking forward to a relaxing week of nothing but pure nature!
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Heading up tomorrow for a week! Gonna camp and looking forward to a relaxing week of nothing but pure nature!
That sounds Devine! Have a fabulous trip John
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:38 AM   #262
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Link to Ouray area and the unusual happenstance on the trip we made in July 2013. Sail planes, hail storms, and cloudy summits.

At the bottom of that thread is the link to the photo video made from everyone's photos

Most unusual trip ever to Ouray Telluride
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:43 AM   #263
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Great memories. Will go back next year. I will be seriously depressed if I ever have to leave Colorado for work reasons.

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