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Old 03-14-2012, 12:00 AM   #31
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I am very seriously considering taking up golf, or croquet, or bridge, or shuffle board, or ....
Lets see....

Golf: You're to old to walk around that much.
Croquet: Bending over? More like "I've fallen and I can't get up"
Bridge: You're to old to have a memory good enough to play it.
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oh it is not that bad Ed, put your big boy pants on. But I am a little concerned that you found nothing wrong after having your trackbar and drag link obviously not in the right places. Unless your tie rod was bent that bad

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Lets see....

Golf: You're to old to walk around that much.
Croquet: Bending over? More like "I've fallen and I can't get up"
Bridge: You're to old to have a memory good enough to play it.
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Well, thank you very much, squirt
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oh it is not that bad Ed, put your big boy pants on. But I am a little concerned that you found nothing wrong after having your trackbar and drag link obviously not in the right places. Unless your tie rod was bent that bad
No, it's much more fun to piss and moan and whine. Doesn't do any good but it makes me feel better...

Mostly I am frustrated. I was sure it was the long tre on the drag link. I picked up the new tie rod yesterday morning and had the two laying side by side and I could find no difference whatsoever. All the ball joints on the tre's were ok, I was even pulling the grease boots to check the balls and studs.

Something changed, that much is obvious, but for the life of me I can't figure out what. It's like the old Cosby song, Little Old Man. I can't believe it's happening, but it is.

There's a guy I know that was a Chrysler mechanic for thirty years. Builds some of the sweetest street rods on the planet and was chief mechanic for one of the the Chrysler race teams back in the seventies. What he doesn't know isn't worth talking about. I should be able to get a hold of him today after I finish putting the front end back together. Hopefully he'll have some ideas.

I pushed the little beast really hard on Sunday. It handled fine so I really am stumped. The only place I have left to go is the steering box itself but that doesn't seem plausible. Hopefully Harry will have some ideas.
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Good luck Ed hope you can find what's wrong.
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Well, thank you very much, squirt



So what exactly is your little jeep doing?
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Old 03-14-2012, 12:17 PM   #37
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Hey girls how are we all dong. I'm hoping to have the jeep climbing rocks again in about a month. Still have to save up for the new axels then break everything in.
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Hey girls how are we all dong. I'm hoping to have the jeep climbing rocks again in about a month. Still have to save up for the new axels then break everything in.
Which axles are you going to use?
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Which axles are you going to use?
Prolly get chrome alloy or whatever they are called
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Ed, from what you said you are seeing I am kind of stumped at this point as well. Are you a normal Tj set up or did you divorce the draglink and tie rod?
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Ed, from what you said you are seeing I am kind of stumped at this point as well. Are you a normal Tj set up or did you divorce the draglink and tie rod?
No, it's still the standard mess, although if I have to spend any serious money on it I will switch to a high steer setup. I am going to talk to my friend Harry this afternoon and hopefully he'll be able to look at it tomorrow. It is definitely off but I can't find anything wrong
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One of the best things the jk brought was the linkage setup
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No kidding, Jeep seemed to have learned quite a bit after 10 years of the TJ.
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wonder if jk knuckles will fit on a tj?
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Be nice but I'll bet not. I'm going to check every application for a D30 and see if anyone has used anything other than that stupid Y linkage. Not holding much hope though.

On other fronts I found out what is probably wrong with my steering. I explained the whole mess to Harry and he goes "you're not going to like this", so I said "try me". So he tells me that if I pull the pitman arm he's almost positive that I'm going to find twisted splines. He said that he's seen it before and that was always the problem. So I mentioned my little encounter with the ice shelf and he goes "Bingo". I'll let you all know tomorrow after I pull the pitman arm. Oh, well...
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the jk is has 30 ends with a 44 or the 30.. same stuff.. I can get you some measurements if you want. I am actually wondering myself now
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Yeah I am interested. Would definitely go that route on my replacement front axle. Forgot that the JK 44 shared components. There was a great pissing contest on Pirate about relative strength of the two axles, centered on the common u-joint.
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the only difference in a jk30 and jk44 is the ring and pinion size. they share from the center section out. The jk44 built up makes the actual pinion teeth the weak link. ratios 5:13, 5:38 the pinion gear is just to small for good gear mesh, making the 60 the only real choice for a jk
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Now is that true using a 44 carrier for higher ratios? I have the thick 4.10 gears in my 44 but I didn't think you could go that route above 4.56 for the above reason. I've never really paid any attention to gears above 5:1. That is a big issue for me in planning to build a high pinion D30. 4.56 is the limit there, period. They make 4.88's but the pinion gear is getting too weak to trust. Figuring for 35's 4.56 isn't going to be enough, even with my little banshee engine.
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the d44 in wranglers is a hybrid axle. JKs need a gear of at least 5:13s to work right with tires over 35. I am still on 4:10s but can really feel the tire size now
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the d44 in wranglers is a hybrid axle. JKs need a gear of at least 5:13s to work right with tires over 35. I am still on 4:10s but can really feel the tire size now
Just think I use to have the 3.73 gears with my 35's driving up wooden park used like half a tank... It was miserable
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Shuffle board is looking better and better

Pulled the pitman arm today, output shaft on the gearbox looks fine so at least I shouldn't have to replace that. So next is the pitman arm itself. So I have decided to say screw that until next week. Put the whole mess back together and tomorrow I put tires back on, sorta kinda align it and then switch to the back and suff in the rear spring spacers.

I will be going out this weekend, just not too far. Gulches sound good to me for Sunday. Watcha think Dan, ready to do a rattletrap express?
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That sucks man.
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Yeah, but that's the way it goes sometimes. If the pitman arm doesn't solve the problem I'll just say screw it and wait for something to break. That is the only component left so there's nothing more I can do.
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Are you going to take it easy on it or just pretend it's not there?
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Pulled the pitman arm today, output shaft on the gearbox looks fine so at least I shouldn't have to replace that. So next is the pitman arm itself. So I have decided to say screw that until next week. Put the whole mess back together and tomorrow I put tires back on, sorta kinda align it and then switch to the back and suff in the rear spring spacers.

I will be going out this weekend, just not too far. Gulches sound good to me for Sunday. Watcha think Dan, ready to do a rattletrap express?
Ya, I want to stay close as well. Let's see what kind of trouble we can get into
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Yeah Ed may just take you to the quarter mile long mud pit. I loved it but I remember you don't like mud :-D
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No, we will be sticking to Wildcat Canyon. FS360 might be a little sloppy but no mudding this time around. Shit, I'm still carrying about 50 pounds of mud from last weekend...
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I'm still finding mud patches here and there.

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