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Old 12-09-2013, 07:46 PM   #1
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Traction Control, Am I Crazy or........

So, I swear I can feel/hear some sort of traction control taking place even with traction control off. I've got a 2012 JKUR and I've been meaning to ask this question here for awhile.

Let's just hypothetically say if someone was doing donuts or power slides in the snow with their 2012 JKUR (auto) in 2HI and the traction control button pushed to off, should that person feel/hear some sort of attempt at traction control almost as if the front tires were trying to grab hold even though the Jeep is in 2HI with traction control set to off?

I know it sounds crazy but I swear it feels/sounds like the front wheels are trying to grab hold when my rear tires lose traction even in 2HI with the traction control set to off. Any thoughts or am I just crazy?

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Old 12-09-2013, 07:53 PM   #2
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As far as I know it's still on in part in 2hi. I think it's on even in 4hi

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Old 12-09-2013, 08:33 PM   #3
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You are not crazy. Yes, traction control is off. But the stability management remains in effect. Jeep sucked the fun out of donuts
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Old 12-09-2013, 11:21 PM   #4
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The traction control and stability management jack with you off road as well. I know it is a safety system but I would rather not have it. I learned many years ago how to control a vehicle when it is sliding around. I wish there was a way to eliminate the system without causing other issues but these vehicles electronic systems are sensitive to any change so I will leave it be for now.
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Old 12-10-2013, 07:19 AM   #5
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The only time it doesn't interfere is in a rubicon in 4lo and both axles locked. Other than that some form of nanny control is always on.
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Old 12-10-2013, 07:57 PM   #6
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Thanks for the feedback everyone. If any vehicle on the road should be equipped with an option to disable 100% of the traction/stability control it should be a Jeep. Well, at least now I know I'm not crazy! ;-) Thanks again for the feedback!
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Old 12-10-2013, 10:22 PM   #7
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I've heard of guys taking matters in there own hands and installing a kill switch for ESP. Basically finding the sending wire and putting a switch on it to really turn it off. When my ESP is inop... For instance a steering wheel off center, or abs sensor not working, I feel no computer interaction whatsoever. So the idea seems sound.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:48 PM   #8
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From what I have found in doing research on this, there are kind of 2 systems in the ESP (Electronic Stability Program). One part detects things like wheel slip on acceleration (traction control) and the other detects things that might lead to roll over. These things are sideways slides and more. This is the stability control.

The problem is that stability control is silly for us. Stability control is designed for losing control on road going vehicle at speed. If you get on an off camber hill on a jeep and roll over it isn't going to do a darn thing.

I have seen a video where a professional driver was testing the stability control on an SUV (I think it was a Mercedes, I forget). He was doing all he could to put it into a sideways slide on pavement and get it into a roll over situation. He could not do it. Stability control corrected it every time. Again, how many times do we throw a Wrangler into a tight turn at 70mph?
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:18 AM   #9
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The new bully dog tuner lets you shut it completely off, a cleaner way to go if you spend the coin

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