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Old 03-31-2014, 01:30 PM   #1
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Tuesday,APRIL 29th Jeep day with executives. You get paid!

Interesting proposal came my way through work (boring finance industry stuff). There is a group of executives coming in town from New York. They want to have a colorado experience but aren't the most athletic in the world. I was pitched the offer to take a total of four individuals out for a short trail run. They will pay for the experience. Here is the catch. They need to leave downtown Denver at noon and be back by 4pm.... What is the hardest trail in close proximity to Denver? Also would anyone be interested in joining for the day and making some cash? I was thinking 4 rigs total and assuming they have common sense putting them behind the wheel. Naturally we'd be in our vehicles with them guiding their driving as needed or step in if there is a big obstacle and they don't seem comfortable....

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March 29 or April 29th?? 4 hour window from Denver and back...that's tough!

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Yea I'd be down for that! But I don't know of any trials that would we could leave at noon and get back at 4....that's rough
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CASH MONEY!!!! No "exec" is gettin behind the wheel unless it's in my pocket and in copious amounts.

4 hrs will be tough. Real tough. 2 hrs travel time I'd imagine.

$$$$ minimum?
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I made it clear that if they broke something, they'd be paying to fix it..... that doesn't include if they hop behind the wheel, put it in drive, move 7 feet and the transmission falls out because your rig was already busted.... but natural common sense at fault situations. With that time frame, I don't think we could hit anything that would likely break a jeep anyway.... As we would each be in the vehicle with them, I don't feel like they could really get into trouble. We could gauge competence and opt to drive any harder obstacles if we don't feel they are capable. Having rigs that are locked will dramatically reduce the probability in my mind of breakage as they require less experience to complete obstacles and are pretty much point and shoot

Spring creek is the best option I can think of.... and it would likely be in and out without completing it.... I was also suggested slaughterhouse gulch (which I haven't run)...

I'm still figuring out price based on location of the trail, etc. I think it will actually be a really fun day. The group is from a large investment firm and wanted to do something exciting vs the typical go out to dinner and drinks.

John- April 29th... oops.... want to give me some moderator attention and fix that!
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Apparently the gates at left hand are open now and after the floods that trail will be stupid hard someone may need to check it out first
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Nice!!! I' really want to check that out if that is the case! I'm going to start a new thread for it.....

As far as this post, I'm thinking $200.00 per vehicle?
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I could so do that. I don't mind a little rock rash just don't want my rig rolled down a mountain
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I may be down for this I'm not locked though
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Yankee Hill is by Blackhawk, although I'm not sure how far you could get.
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Date corrected for you Andrew!
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I think there would be a ton of fun options for trails that would be doable.... and fun for them. But time is just wayyyyy tight. I think we could run the first 3 obstacles and get out of Spring creek in about 2.5 hours (Fernando was on the same thought process as well), but it would be a not be a relaxed pace with the New Yorkers driving..... I requested they try to buy an extra 2 hours. I think that 6 hours would allow for the commute and a steady but still fun pace on the trail. I can't imagine that spring creek in it's entirety would take more than 3-4 hours if we didn't screw around and had jeeps that didn't need to pull cable or at least did it without spending time working obstacles first....
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One option that might help here Andrew, would be to have them meet us at say the trailhead or have one person meet them and they follow one person to the trailhead and be able to leave the trailhead on their own. We could be aired down and air up and they could be underway just one thought...
Since we're just brainstorming here another thought of they fly out of Colorado Springs, if that's even an option for them, six hours in the Springs area would leave a ton of options available! China wall, the Gulch's, rainbow Falls, Eaglerock saran wrap, heck depending on the rigs we could even do Penrose!
Just some ideas...
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The time constraint fortunately isn't for a flight. They have other engagements later in evening they need to be back for. I spoke with the guy who is paying for the outing and explained my concerns with the amount of time. If we have 5-6 hours (vs the currently allocated 4) I feel like they can get back from the trail safely and not be watching the clock so closely that it makes the day not enjoyable.... If they so much as hit a blip of traffic with a 4 hour window it will be nearly impossible and I would like to avoid stress or being responsible for them missing another engagement.

John- Great minds think alike! the plan would be to meet them at the trailhead so we were prepared. Also I'm guessing whatever vehicle they bring is likely a hell of a lot faster than our Jeeps on the highway! Also I was planning to have 1 addition vehicle on the run or ensure at least one person in the group had a back seat. In the unlikely event of a mechanical malfunction the group could get them back to their vehicle to return to Denver. I like that Spring Creek is directly on I-70... also the obstacles come pretty early on the trail and due to rapid elevation gain, the scenery is pretty good.... We could have one jeep waiting off the i70 exit to escort them to the trailhead.... literally splitting hairs but 100% efficiency on the "finding the trailhead" part and getting them back on a road they can drive as fast as their willingness to be ticketed allows home is good for us.

Lastly, I was considering timing their drive up, than having the New Yorkers drive up the trail... leave the same amount for the return trip... however long they have remaining, we take, have them drive up the trail for half of it, say 2 hours, 20 minutes.... so they drive up for 1 hour, 10 minutes... at that point, each of us takes the drivers seat, do a U-Turn, and head back to the trailhead. There is no way we will take anywhere near the amount of time piloting ourselves back out the way we came.....
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I could so do that. I don't mind a little rock rash just don't want my rig rolled down a mountain
You sure about that? John (Sinister) did pretty damn well with an insurance claim when someone else damaged his rig
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Yeah, I was thinking Spring Creek or maybe Red Elephant Hill, which I've done with some snow on it. I'd definitely be down for this, but would only have room for 1 passenger (i.e., no back seat in my TJ).
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Also I was planning to have 1 addition vehicle on the run or ensure at least one person in the group had a back seat. In the unlikely event of a mechanical malfunction the group could get them back to their vehicle to return to Denver.
Smart thinking there....that's also my plan for the warrior run.
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You sure about that? John (Sinister) did pretty damn well with an insurance claim when someone else damaged his rig
Lol well if they can find a 6speed lifted rubi unlimited I'm down for anything lol.

Also let's not forget that inexperienced wheelers will take a lot longer on a trail driving that someone who wheels a lot so we may want to have a time cushion to compensate. I have a back btw but can't travel highway right now
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Just a thought. Are they trying to get back for a reservation for dinner or is it a dinner meeting? If it is just for dinner, we could go old school and have a roadside bbq. Then have time to do a trail, eat and return them when done. I know a lot of you guys can do one hell of an off road BBQ. Gives them time to enjoy themselves.
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And if that's the case, do Chinaman Gulch again! They would shit themselves...


Wait....nevermind....I don't have seat covers...
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Time slot is now officially extended. They will be able to leave denver at 11 and need to be back at 4:30 so 5.5 hours. Driving themselves to the trailhead as well as home. MUCH more doable. Thinking Spring Creek should be the plan.

Who's rigs of the interested parties are stick vs auto? I want to also account for that factor.
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I'm in. Manual. Should make for a great day!
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John, you'll get the guy planning/paying.... He's awesome and was introduced to me by a good skiing friend. He is the one we know can drive a stick. I'm going to ask who else can pilot a vehicle WELL with a manual tranny... Also asking if anyone would prefer to just ride vs attempt to drive.
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Sounds good Andrew. I think we do the first half-mile a couple hundred yards so we can explain to them what to do and how to drive... Then if they want to take the wheel I don't have a problem with it.
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Sounds good Andrew. I think we do the first half-mile a couple hundred yards so we can explain to them what to do and how to drive... Then if they want to take the wheel I don't have a problem with it.
I also like this plan as it puts us past the first obstacle... Lots of long bumpy road and switch backs to gauge competence before hitting anything else requiring actual skill...
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I'd have to take a day off but this might be worth it. Although I've never done spring creek.

Gonna talk to the wife about it tonight. Do something I love and need. And get paid? Win.

May I claim a spot and I'll let you know by tonight if I'm 100%?
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I see it's a Tuesday...I'm off if you need another rig. I'm locked front and rear and have a manual.
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I'm in as long as I can get the day off I'll talk to my sgt tomorrow bout taking a day of leave and get back to ya I have a auto open open
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:32 PM   #29
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I'm pretty open to anyone interested in this run....

That said after LONG discussion with a handful of friends with a great deal of experience wheeling and with this trail, we came up with a few guidelines that I think will make the timeline possible. A lot of spotting, having to use a winch, etc will cut us out of the short window we have available. I also believe it will reduce the likelihood of breakage and allow for easier instruction to the new drivers. As using the skinny pedal to try to compensate for a lack of traction/failing to climb an obstacle is the natural instinct, these items will protect the owners rigs and reduce the probability of that default.

Here is what I'm thinking:
-35" minimum tires
-Locked front and rear (if they pull up on a rock at your instruction, they will simply drive over it, not bind up, mash the gas and make us all cringe at the looming BOOM)....
-Winch (hope to not need it and shouldn't)
-Rocker Protection and armor
-Understanding that the aforementioned armor might get a scratch, ding, dent... accept that as a part of the sport and not be overly worried about it.
-VERY much prefer you have chromo shafts

By no means are the above requirements necessary for this trail.... however have you ever tried to take 4 drivers that have never wheeled before on a 6-8 rated trail?? Now let's add to the equation having 3-4 hours to run it.... then add that blowing the timeline means them blowing their work related obligations after the run.... then add they are paying for this all to work smoothly....... I'm also setting it to increase likelihood that all of the rigs on the trail make it out unscathed. By no measure is this an elitist approach, simply a reality..... My rig will be going to however seems the least competent... big tires = less concern with tire placement + lockers = less need for winching which all equates to a much faster day on the trail....

Another thing: I need everyone that is going to express interest to be POSITIVE they can make this run. Finding a replacement for a weekday will be extremely difficult if not impossible and I don't want to ruin the outing for these individuals.

I've never even attempted to put something together and might be completely going overkill... I am not making a penny more than anyone else on the run and this isn't/shouldn't be financially motivated. It's primarily about covering fuel costs and justifying missing a bit of work. Down the road, the gentleman paying for this run is putting together an activity planning company for executives and jeeping will be on the list.... so after this trial by fire it will likely expand and repeat itself... I'm guessing with less restrictive time limits. I feel like overkill will reduce stress/watching the clock and increase the overall enjoyment for all parties involved.

Feel free to share your thoughts. Like I said, this is my first go at this and I am 100% open to feedback
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Wife gave me the "we're buying a new car, having a kid, etc. etc. etc." look/speech. I can be a POSSIBLE back up for you if shit goes sideways.

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