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Old 09-01-2013, 09:33 PM   #1801
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Fun run today guys. Thanks to Shane for leading the group.

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Fun run today guys. Thanks to Shane for leading the group.
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Yes, I had a blast! and so did my tire.......
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Mark, I thought this was a awesome shot of you coming up Hogs Back!
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Yes, I had a blast! and so did my tire.......
That was a bummer deal, hope you can find a deal on some tires.

Post up some vids when you get a chance.
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Wish you coulda made out there Ken. It's been a while since I've wheeled with you.
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That was a bummer deal, hope you can find a deal on some tires.

Post up some vids when you get a chance.
I will most likely put em up on youtube. I'll post a link to them.
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Wish you coulda made out there Ken. It's been a while since I've wheeled with you.
Yup, as I was in Seattle this morning - I was thinking, I could be wheeling right now...

Glad to see you guys had a great time . I think the last time I wheeled with you, you still had your TJ.
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An attempt at an "artsy" pic.... This is the top of Bates Road.
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Nice action shot Mike... Thanks for posting!

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Mark, I thought this was a awesome shot of you coming up Hogs Back!
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Did this damage occur on Bates? I somehow seem to have more pieces of wood between my bead and wheels when I run Bates...
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Did this damage occur on Bates? I somehow seem to have more pieces of wood between my bead and wheels when I run Bates...
Go ahead Mike, tell him how it happened....
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Go ahead Mike, tell him how it happened....

Well, I don't want to ruin the story for Mike, and maybe he is thinking of a "better" story to say how he slashed his tire, but apparently he was pulling aside to park next to that log at the end of the first two sections of Firebreak 5 and his passenger side front tire caught a branch sticking out from that log and the rest was history. Since I helped change the tire, I figure maybe I can tell a bit about what happened. A bummer indeed, but along Firebreak 5 we found the remains of a clean U-joint yoke and a couple of U-joint caps (with greasy needle bearings inside too so it was "fresh") in a panic, I thought one of our rigs blew a U-joint/yoke, but we all took a look and everyone was good, so it could have been worse, and for someone else it was worse. Luckily Mike had a working spare, so we were back on the trail to Bates in 20-30 minutes.
Aside from the tire, there really was no other significant trail damage. We started the day on a whim at the Fred Meyer parking lot, we had 5 TJ's, one JK, and Mark's trusty CJ-7. We headed out to Jordan Creek and worked from west to east. While it was never really clarified on the level of difficulty, I figured that we had some experience with the group at hand. Plus, we spotted as many times as needed to help out. The trail conditions were great too, little dust and just a little damp dirt. We went up Archers, the Archers Hill Climb, Rock garden stopped at Can Opener for lunch, went over to Rocky Uphill, then up the first 1/3 of Hogs Back, and back over to Firebreak 5. We found out that the first section of Firebreak 5 is closed (probably because of logging, they cut down A LOT of trees around that trail..) The second section was open, so we went up there, and then over to Cedar Tree, where the first section is open, but the later sections are closed (logging again?) So then we went over to Powerline and then cut across to Bates road. Went up to the campsite at the end of Bates and there was some trash and junk so we cleaned it up- (BTW a huge thanks to all those who helped and had trash bags, in a quick 5 minutes we were enjoying the scenic view from that site). We then headed down and exited out the park from there on our way home.
Oh yeah, we picked up one more TJ, along the way to Bates. As a humorous aside, we came across a guy in a new 2-door Rubicon who stopped me to ask for directions. He was asking where the waterfalls were and I thought well, there is a waterfall in TSF..... and my next question was "do you have any payments left on your JK?" Of course I told him the truth and did not lead him astray.

All in all, it was a great day, and since I haven't been out in months, I was happy to lead the group along. I hope they had just as much fun that day. To Mike, maybe you can leave that stick in your tire and frame it in your garage as a tribute to Jeeping. I'm not sure if Armor All works on wood as much as it does for rubber.... Just kidding, glad you still had fun.

See ya fellas soon-
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On a different note- they are cutting down so many trees in TSF, pretty soon, there won't be any scenery left to look at...does anyone know when they will stop?
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how much air pressure were you running when you popped your tire? I never run more then 8psi and not had issue in the countless years up there.
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how much air pressure were you running when you popped your tire? I never run more then 8psi and not had issue in the countless years up there.
I was running 5psi.
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Its pretty much how shane said it! Nothing really that exciting. It wasn't really on a trail either. I was parking next to a log to watch other rigs after FB5. I think I want to make up a bad ass story to make it sound like im not a "total" newb lol. IDK if I will buy KM2's again. I'm kinda liking the sounds of kevlar reinforced sidewall now. It was also a pretty weird feeling running one tire at 28psi while the others were at 5psi. Oh well I guess! good excuse to get 35's now and a d44 and gears and lockers and more lift.....the never ending list

All in all it was a great day! I met some cool new jeep people, the weather could not have been better and I conquered a couple trails(V-notch, Right side of Rocky uphill) that I didn't think I could! lockers are over rated lol.

Shane, thank you for leading a nother AWESOME day at TSF! Would not have traded it for new tire haha!
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I bought a brand new set of kevlars. I.hate those tires, why why did gy change to it I don't know. Best side wall protection get a set of tires in a bias ply not a radial.
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Not sure if last part of Cedar Tree was closed due to logging but this is what it looked like about 1/4 mile in after the tree (someone had cut/threw on the side the warning ribbon)... Attached ribbon back on after I turned around and got out...
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I bought a brand new set of kevlars. I.hate those tires, why why did gy change to it I don't know. Best side wall protection get a set of tires in a bias ply not a radial.

I really like the traction of the km2's, that was my number one tire, now I have no idea what I should get next.
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I really like the traction of the km2's, that was my number one tire, now I have no idea what I should get next.
Im loving my Swamper M16s. From the reviews I've read they get just as go mileage as any other mud tire. Not like other swampers. Nitto mud grapplers are good too drholiday is very happy with his.
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Not sure if last part of Cedar Tree was closed due to logging but this is what it looked like about 1/4 mile in after the tree (someone had cut/threw on the side the warning ribbon)... Attached ribbon back on after I turned around and got out...
I saw a few areas where they were just thinning, so that might be why it was closed. You can tell the thinning spots by the straight cuts running down the canyons. It's actually pretty cool watching the machine they use to do that. The cab stays level and it's winched down the hill as it works.

Allot of people want to hate on logging, but that industry is the biggest tax base in Oregon ( despite the tree huggers efforts to kill it). Without logging all the roads we use to get to the trails wouldn't exist and the forest service wouldn't have any cash to fund parks, let alone off road trails. Thanks in part to President Clinton's roadless forest initiative and anti logging groups... We now get too experience some of the biggest fires on record. Not only do you lose the revenue from the timber ( which will eventually rot ), but you have increased costs to fight the fires. Logging roads allow fire crews assess to the fires and can also help act as fire breaks. I'll stop ranting now, but alot of timber related jobs have been lost over the years and I don't see any Sierra clubbers supporting families or schools with their funds. Lol... I'm getting older and more prone to long winded rants!
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Update on my "hole" tire problem. Went looking on CL today and found a km2 for 50 bucks(50% tread)! twelve dollars to balance it and gas to pick it up. So about $75 total to get back in action! Thank you to 141 and Skjeeper for lending me a jack and some tools to throw on the spare
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Update on my "hole" tire problem. Went looking on CL today and found a km2 for 50 bucks(50% tread)! twelve dollars to balance it and gas to pick it up. So about $75 total to get back in action! Thank you to 141 and Skjeeper for lending me a jack and some tools to throw on the spare
That's awesome man! That's a pretty good bargain to get up and running again. Glad you still had fun. Do you know the screen name of the JK that was with us? I meant to follow up on his rear bumper.....anyone?

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September Meet and Greet

Hey, is there a meeting this month? Date and time?

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IDK if I will buy KM2's again. I'm kinda liking the sounds of kevlar reinforced sidewall now.
Mike, I would just treat your scenario as an exception and not the norm. While the KM2's sidewall is not as strong as the GY MTR, I think that the traction you get is worth it in your consideration in selecting a different tire. I've followed Jeeps on MTRs and IMO, I think the traction on the KM2 is better.


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That might be 141...
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Mike, I would just treat your scenario as an exception and not the norm. While the KM2's sidewall is not as strong as the GY MTR, I think that the traction you get is worth it in your consideration in selecting a different tire. I've followed Jeeps on MTRs and IMO, I think the traction on the KM2 is better.

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Hey! I bend a tie rod one time and now I'm the first guy you think of when damage occurs? Hahaha...

I was running my TJ, the JK guy was running no lift and one of those AEV bumpers that hold water. He bumped a rock on FB5 and it broke the water spigot.

I would give the KM2 props for mud and rocks as well. It has a pretty good compound that seems to work well in those conditions. They are terrible in icy conditions though. I was up in Gifford Pinchot forest last winter and the snow was pretty packed and then a light rain started up. It was like a being in a skating rink. Talk about pucker factor... You couldn't have got a toothpick up my butt with 5lb hammer!
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I've followed Jeeps on MTRs and IMO, I think the traction on the KM2 is better.


Yeah I agree with that as well! I was running them at 5psi and the traction was impressive. I will most likely buy the KM2's again and be a little more cautious of the side walls. Hopefully I will be picking my Dana 44 this weekend!
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Are your KM2s siped? Mine are and the siping seems to help on icy conditions.

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