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Old 04-11-2011, 03:07 PM   #1
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Top 3 Mistakes new jeeps owners make.

The Top three mistakes that new Jeep owners make.

1) They make decisions to quickly.
2) They do not understand the full effects of any modifications they do.
3) Do not sacrifice quality for cost.

I have been wheeling since the 70’s. The last 5 years I have been a trail guide for Jeep Jamboree USA. I encourage and teach new jeep owners to learn how to wheel off road with finesse. The new Jeep owner needs to understand how to use throttle control, understand their vehicles capabilities, understand how to adjust their tire pressures with the amount of weight they are carrying on each tire or axle, understand how articulation works and how to increase it, and most importantly, understand grip for the conditions your driving on and how to improve grip. Drive for a year and learn the above. Then decide what modifications you would like to do.
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Old 04-14-2011, 02:17 AM   #2
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Old 04-20-2011, 10:28 PM   #3
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thanks for the tips....I like to see just what stock will do these days. The last actual 4x4 jeeping I did was in a CJ2 nearly 50 years ago. Will there be a Jamboree in Oregon anytime soon?
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Old 06-04-2012, 03:24 PM   #4
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Everyone needs to understand that when you make modifications to your vehicle it can affect many other factors. For example lately I have seen and heard of leaky axle seals on newer vehicles. Example is a Dana 44 axle, like we have on Rubicon’s; it is recommend not going larger than a 33 in tire. What do we do? We install 35’s and 37’s. The larger tires (depending on your driving abilities) WILL cause more flex in your axle shaft, which WILL cause more movement than what the axle was built for. This movement/flex CAN cause the oil seal to start leaking. Any time you make a modification you REALLY need to understand the full effects on your vehicle that it may cause.
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We are lucky to have the internet that we have to ability to share knowledge. 20 years ago , ya pretty much had to learn everything the hard way....word of mouth and/or broken on the trail.

But the reality is that there are still going to be those who slap on on 4" BL with 35's and head for the mud pit....run it until it breaks, and smile!
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:26 PM   #6
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We are lucky to have the internet that we have to ability to share knowledge. 20 years ago , ya pretty much had to learn everything the hard way....word of mouth and/or broken on the trail.

But the reality is that there are still going to be those who slap on on 4" BL with 35's and head for the mud pit....run it until it breaks, and smile!
I know what you mean I have been there as no one told me when I was younger....lol. The thing is learn to drive with easy inputs with your mods and most of the time you will do just fine.
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We are lucky to have the internet that we have to ability to share knowledge. 20 years ago , ya pretty much had to learn everything the hard way....word of mouth and/or broken on the trail.

But the reality is that there are still going to be those who slap on on 4" BL with 35's and head for the mud pit....run it until it breaks, and smile!
The way I remember it.. then the average guy ran 31's, 32's.. And the more extreme guys ran 33's.. 35's were a much rarer site on a Wrangler back in even as late as, the late eighties and early nineties. Heck, most Wrangler axles were a running a D35 rear, some of the CJ guys were running D44's though... I really don't miss the ride of my 77' CJ5. That thing beat the crap out of me, And I was younger then too. Rode like a farm toy..lol
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Since you guys are talking about tire size. How do you feel about 33x10 bfg km2's on 4.5 offset wheels with a 2.5 inch lift? I feeling just a little inadequate in width.
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Since you guys are talking about tire size. How do you feel about 33x10 bfg km2's on 4.5 offset wheels with a 2.5 inch lift? I feeling just a little inadequate in width.

2.5" lift, 33 x 10 KM2's here as well. Tires work awesome, although they rub a touch when you stuff em'.
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You should add your info on the thread I started a few weeks back.


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Old 06-05-2012, 11:08 PM   #11
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5) Wheel alone without self-recovery equipment.
6) Think they are invincible because they have 4X4!

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Yea I'm gonna get around to it this weekend when I can inventory and get a picture
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:03 PM   #13
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Tim757, You asked a question about your tire size nothing else.
I will respond to your question that the tire you have is a good choice with the lift you have. that width is fine, some people don't like the pizza cutter tire look. But I will tell you from my own past experience it's a great tire for most applications..! the only thing is in deep snow they don't float as well as the 12.50 wide tire with the same tread type design.
Now your wheel width can make a big difference on how well tires wear and perform on your rig. On a 33x10.50 I would prefer a 7" wide width rim. Recently though I'm looking at something different, For same tire weight of the narrower BFG KM2, My research is telling me a 33x12.50 GYR Duratrac is exactly the same weight, which is very important in my next tire selection. They are different tires and the BFG KM2 has a little more strength for off road purposes.. lol, Always tradeoffs. Don't let anyone tell you anything different, just look at good general points and make your Jeep. but back to your tire question only.. you'll be fine :-)
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I have the BFG Mud-Terrain T/A KM2’s 255/85-16 (Size 33.07x10.04) (weight 54.89) on my 2006 Rubicon Wrangler vs. the stock tires of 245/75-16 (Size 30.47x9.65)(weight 48.28) with a Teraflex 2in lift and the stock Rubicon Moab wheels.

The debate of wide vs. narrow tires has been ongoing for years. Wider tires produce fewer pounds per square inch vs. the narrower tires that have a higher weight per sq in on the contact surface. Wider tires have a better flotation that narrow tires, though this is an ongoing debate of how much more floatation are you really getting.

Ask yourself what percentage of the time will you be driving on a surface that requires floatation where you need a wider tire?

Figure out what kind of a driver (easy/hard on the throttle? Are you smooth or hard on your inputs to your vehicle? ) you are and what kind of surface will you be driving on.

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Old 06-08-2012, 10:40 AM   #15
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Mark, Good point about flotation, I really liked the KM2 33x10.50's on my first LJ.. As mentioned by both of us they are a great tire..
If I don't take my 35'MTR's back from the Bronco..lol
Instead I'll get me another 33x10.50KM2 set again after my lift..
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The good thing about my husband getting bigger tires is that I got his old Rubicon Tires and rims for my commander and a lift.. upgrade for me!!... And it looks awesome! ;-).. but I do get the risks of upgrades..


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Well stated.....I run with a 4 door JK in Moab who has Dana 30/35 and he put 37's on with a 4 in lift. He was and is aware of his weak point in his drive train. He drove/drives with fineness and awesome throttle control inputs. It took “6 week long” Moab trips over three years before he saw one rear inter axle that started to bend. Just understand your modifications’ and drive according.


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Thanks for all the input guys well noted. I feel better now. I checked out the DTD link on their web page and it seems I have a 2 mph difference with the 255/80x17 over the stock. That's ok I'll fix that later. Right now I'm getting ready to install the new wheels (MB TKO's) and the TF 2.5 inch lift if I can ever get 4wheelonline to send it to me. That's another story to deal with. Meanwhile I still got my tires and wheels to pasify me till then. The wheels are 8.5 wide. I would think that's fine for the 10 inch tire right.
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The wheels are 8.5 wide. I would think that's fine for the 10 inch tire right.
You will be perfectly fine.. :-)
One note to be aware of, If you air down at all then remember you'll want to keep around roughly 18-20 lbs at least as a starting point. From my own experiences, at 13-14 lbs I could spin the tire loose from the bead on mine..
That was a 16x8 wheel though. Have Fun..
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I run 15x8 steel wheels on 35/12.50 km2s and air down to 10 psi every time. I've never lost a bead or spun my tire on the wheel.
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I run 15x8 steel wheels on 35/12.50 km2s and air down to 10 psi every time. I've never lost a bead or spun my tire on the wheel.
Me too, 15x8 35x12.50 MTR's and KM2's.. but he is looking at a 10.50 wide tire on a 8.5 width wheel..
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I just found this.. A good example With my 33x10.50 pizza cutters on... They work great. It was steep as heck half way up and some serious hole there too.. To see it you'll have to download original highlighted.

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