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Old 12-23-2012, 08:37 PM   #61
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Hey Gyramax, we are definitely down with you coming out with us the more the merrier! I will have to look at where your located to figure out where we can meet up with you. We could definitely use a person that has done the trail before.

As a shout out for everyone looking at this forum, you are more than welcome to join us for a trip to either flagpole knob or shoe creek. Most likely it will be flagpole knob.

PCWolf we will be out at flagpole on the 31st if there is anyway you can be out there then we could meet up. If not I am sure we can schedule a different trip to meet up another time. Also theres a member on here that wasn't able to meet up with us last Saturday, his name is zr. despain you should hit him up and see if he wants to tag along with you guys.

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Meadow Knob, AKA Flagpole Knob trail and also "The Meadow"
For clarification, there are two "meadows" here. "The Meadow," refers to a meadow down in the valley by Switzer Lake; this is usually where larger groups running the area stage up and camp. Meadow Knob refers to a meadow on top of the mountain. There are two knobs(peaks) here as well, Meadow, and Flagpole. The trail I'm describing goes by Meadow Knob. There are many, MANY, trails and off-shoots in this area, and I have not taken them all. I just want to document the main trails, you can run what you want. The Virginia Atlas and Gazetteer documents most of the available trails. I recommend you pick one up before going off of the well documented trails. A GPS loaded with Topo maps is also very handy.
To get to both "The Meadow" and to the trail known as Meadow Knob, take 33W from Harrisonburg. You will be on 33 through Rawley Springs, down through the valley, and then will start to climb the mountain. This will be some 20 miles. Once you start up the mountain, you will finally get to see a left turn lane(the first one as you go up,) take it.
To get to "The Meadow," after you've made the left off of 33, you'll be on a fire road. It will be mostly down the mountain, and during the day you'll see the lake on your left. You'll be on the fire road @4 miles and will cross a concrete bridge. Just after the bridge, turn left into the camping area to your left. You'll see a 4x4 trail at the right of this camping area, take that. 100' or so and this dumps you into the meadow. Park your truck, pitch your tent, drink beer and have a good time!
Meadow Knob (AKA Flagpole Knob) trail. Follow the directions to the Meadow above, but don't turn into the camping area; go straight. Or if you are in the Meadow, exit the way you came in, but make a left. You're now on the fire road heading SSW. This fire road switchbacks all around the mountain, going down and up. There are some nice camping spots for small groups along the way, and even some muddy ruts to hit off the main road if you're into that.
As you continue on the fire road, you will eventually run into a T intersection, take the left. You will pass through a meadow at the top of the mountain. It's a very pretty sight, and a good place to line up the trucks and take a picture of them with the mountains in the background. Once you pass the upper meadow, you'll finally need to shift into 4. Some fun stuff comes around. Nothing a stock truck can't do, but there's one nice rock at the top that's reserved for those who have a few mods. It's off the main trail, but a good place to take pictures. Eventually the trail turns back into a fire road then dumps you out on Union Springs Rd. This will take you to Clover Hill Road. Turn left and keep on that road until it takes you back to 33. You're then back about 5 miles outside the GWNF.
The vast majority of this trail is just a fire road. The obstacles are small rock gardens and some slightly off camber hills and descents with optional rocks to make this a bit more interesting. The parts that aren't a fire road might be a Green I if you take the easy lines, but you can make it a Green III if you take it the hard way. For some reason it seems like they used to be more difficult than they were last time. Anyway. The one big rock at the top is probably a black obstacle, but it's not very long. It is optional, of course.
Rocky Run ATV Trail (a.k.a. Second Mountain and Dictum Ridge) Be ready to share this trail with any quads or dirt bikes.
Directions: Travel west from Harrisonburg, VA, on Rt. 33 for approximately 10 miles. Turn right on Rt. 612 for approximately 4.5 miles. Turn left onto Forest Development Road (FDR) 72 at Gospel Hill Church. Follow FDR 72 for 5-6 miles and turn left on the trailhead access road for about one mile. Users should be aware that FDR 72 is a single-lane road with limited turnouts, and is recommended for high clearance vehicles only.
The Rocky Run ATV trail is comprised of two trails, Second Mountain and Dictum Ridge. They are connected with a narrow ATV trail. I suggest SWB vehicles only, unless you don't mind running the risk of body damage. (I had a Wrangler, and I was fine, but a friend had a Grand, and it got pretty sketchy.)
Second Mountain To start on Second Mountain, go to the left out of the Trail-head. It's pretty straight forward. This is a pretty easy trail. At the bottom there is some private property with a gate. DO NOT cross the gate. Also, if a ranger spots you, they'll ask you which direction you came in from. Tell him you came in from the top (Because you did...right?).
Dictum Ridge I have not personally been on Dictum Ridge, (The friend in the Grand wanted us to turn around...) but there is a pretty good sized rock that can be tricky. It puts to off-camber towards a cliff. Perhaps someone else who has been on Dictum can edit this... Apparently, your friend in the Grand Cherokee was right. A few buddies and I just tried it in stock vehicles and had some problems. The majority of the trail that we saw was easily manageable in stock vehicles. The trail included some very rocky sections that will test your suspension and kidneys, but nothing unmanageable. The trail also sported some mud puddles that were pretty large despite the recent dry spell, I imagine they'd be pretty large and deep after a good bit of rain. But if you search "dictum ridge" on your favorite search engine you will find photos of a stair-step rock obstacle that is impassable in stock vehicles. We had been told there was a bypass, and technically there is, but it is equally impassable by stock rides. Immediately prior to this obstacle is a downhill chute that, if you go down it and decide to turn around (as we did) may require winch work to get back up. If you are in stock vehicles, stick to the Second Mountain trail, it's tons of fun for those of us in stockers.

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Old 12-23-2012, 08:41 PM   #63
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hey just got kitchen pass here for 12/31, i'm game for anything. Let me know what's in the works!
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Also for anyone that has done flagpole knob did you have to get a permit, if so where did you pick it up?
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Also for anyone that has done flagpole knob did you have to get a permit, if so where did you pick it up?

When we did it over Thanksgiving we didn't have any kind of permit. The guys we went with knew the trail well and never mentioned the need for a permit so I don't think you need one for Flagpole. I remember we met at the old Food Lion parking lot on Rt 33 outside of Harrisonburg and went to the trail via Union Valley Road (and some other turns) and came out right across from the hard surface to Reddish Knob. We followed the hard surface into the town of Dayton and back to I81.
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When we did it over Thanksgiving we didn't have any kind of permit. The guys we went with knew the trail well and never mentioned the need for a permit so I don't think you need one for Flagpole. I remember we met at the old Food Lion parking lot on Rt 33 outside of Harrisonburg and went to the trail via Union Valley Road (and some other turns) and came out right across from the hard surface to Reddish Knob. We followed the hard surface into the town of Dayton and back to I81.
Yeah see thats where I am lost some stuff I find says go in by Switzer Lake and others say take Union Valley. When you originally made the turn onto the fire road did you pass Switzer Lake on your left.

I hope that we dont need permits.... Do think its weird that we need one for Peter's Mill and Tasker's Gap, but not for Flagpole,Dictum, or Second Mountain. I will call the Rangers office on Wednesday to make sure. (Not that I dont trust your word, rather be safe than sorry)

How long was the trail when you went?
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Yeah see thats where I am lost some stuff I find says go in by Switzer Lake and others say take Union Valley. When you originally made the turn onto the fire road did you pass Switzer Lake on your left.

I hope that we dont need permits.... Do think its weird that we need one for Peter's Mill and Tasker's Gap, but not for Flagpole,Dictum, or Second Mountain. I will call the Rangers office on Wednesday to make sure. (Not that I dont trust your word, rather be safe than sorry)

How long was the trail when you went?
When we went, we traveled Rt 33 (Rawley Pike) out of Harrisonburg. We turned left on Rt 613 - I think this was Clover Hill Rd. We took a right turn onto Union Springs Rd and we did pass a lake on our left. Union Spring eventually turns to trail. It seems to be up hill most of the way going in this direction. I remember we came to Meadow Knob first and not much farther past that, to Flagpole Knob. No one aired down or disconnected for the trip. I remember one stream crossing pretty early in the trip, one pretty big mud hole area but there was a bypass and one, I thought, pretty good unavoidable rock climb, but I'm not an old hand at off roading. We got on the trail about 10am and were off by 4pm, including lunch and other stops. I had no issues and I'm running stock tires and no lift. We did have someone guiding us up the rock climb but I made it with no problem.
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I also remember when we came out on the hard surface at Reddish Knob and headed back towards Dayton, we did pass a fairly large lake or impoundment of some sort but it was on our right going down the mountain.
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Douchebags, from what I hear. Not a good reputation, when you haven't heard anything good about them.
Slight thread jack...as a long time member, officer, and board of director member, I'd like to say I certainly hope we don't have this kind of reputation, and hope that you guys/gals don't take everything word of mouth on this one. Reading things like this hurts me. We work hard to have a group that does a wide variety of fun stuff to cater to everyone from mall crawlers to hard core wheelers. We also make every effort to make Nova Jeepers a family friendly group as well. While I understand all groups have a couple bad apples, all I ask is that you check out our site (www.novajeepers.net), come hang out with us and I think you'll find us to be a great group of people. Thanks, back to your regularly scheduled discussion.
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I'm in NoVA & would like to meet up with somebody on 31 December...
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Hey Jason,

Had a great time last time out, and am down for whatever on the 31st. What better way to end the year then out on the trail.

Cheers

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Hey Jason. I figured that was you. I'm also looking for a group trip next weekend. If anyone has some plans, I'd love to join in if not, I'll plan a trip up to Rausch Creek.

P.S. I washed my Jeep. The white mud just doesn't look good on Green. Need to find some browner mud.
Hey Dan,

I am heading up to Rausch on the 29 (Saturday) for greens/light blues. My wife wants to go but doesn't want anything over the top. This would be perfect for your stock Rubi.

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Yeah definitely we are still working out the details but will leave out of Nova fairly early, I was thinking meet up at 8:30 and roll out no later than 9.
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On that note, there is a good possibility my wife and daughter are coming so I will be much slower and more stops than Saturday (which might be good for taking photos)
I'll be the same all four kids will be home with me + Daughter's BF. Not sure who is coming with yet, but I won't be alone.
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Hey Dan,

I am heading up to Rausch on the 29 (Saturday) for greens/light blues. My wife wants to go but doesn't want anything over the top. This would be perfect for your stock Rubi.

Cheers
Sounds good, I'm in. I've been looking a Rausch and hey it's quoted as the Disney world of off-roading. It's a must do soon thing. Plus I think I'd like to try something a little more difficult. I'm surprised how effortlessly the Rubi handled it all.

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Yeah definitely we are still working out the details but will leave out of Nova fairly early, I was thinking meet up at 8:30 and roll out no later than 9.
If u don't mind where can I meet u to ride down with u?
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Slight thread jack...as a long time member, officer, and board of director member, I'd like to say I certainly hope we don't have this kind of reputation, and hope that you guys/gals don't take everything word of mouth on this one. Reading things like this hurts me. We work hard to have a group that does a wide variety of fun stuff to cater to everyone from mall crawlers to hard core wheelers. We also make every effort to make Nova Jeepers a family friendly group as well. While I understand all groups have a couple bad apples, all I ask is that you check out our site (www.novajeepers.net), come hang out with us and I think you'll find us to be a great group of people. Thanks, back to your regularly scheduled discussion.
My one experience with NOVA guys was very positive. They were extremely friendly and helpful on the trail. Even though my jeep couldn't hold a candle to the way they had their rides set up, they shepherded me right along and never made me feel ill-at-ease. I learned something and my wife and I had a great time. Don't remember last names but I wheeled with Chris, Scott, Lemont and Paul. If you know them, give them my sincere thanks.
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If u don't mind where can I meet u to ride down with u?
At this time I think we are going to meet at the sheetz in haymarket right off 66, that way the guys coming down 15 don't have to back track
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I will make a post Thursday or Friday with all the details. Right now people that have said they were going is:
Gbobva
Danrb
Debrewski
Billy goat Mike (not on the forum yet)
Gyramax
Gladi8r

Have I missed anyone?
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Hey Jason,

Had a great time last time out, and am down for whatever on the 31st. What better way to end the year then out on the trail.

Cheers

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I think Stephanie, Isabelle, and myself are going to make it a tradition every New Years Eve!
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It's snowing!!!!!
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At this time I think we are going to meet at the sheetz in haymarket right off 66, that way the guys coming down 15 don't have to back track
Sounds good...When I had my Challenger that where we use to meet for annual run of Skyline Drive...
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Hit up Peters Mill with Zack today

















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I will make a post Thursday or Friday with all the details. Right now people that have said they were going is:
Gbobva
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Billy goat Mike (not on the forum yet)
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Hit up Peters Mill with Zack today
Do you have a lift kit or is that just your tires making it look lifted?

Nice pics, alittle jealous you got to do it with snow on the trail!
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It was so fun! My first real trail, and it was even better that there was snow. My little boy got to experience snow for the first time! I just wish I lived a little closer that way.
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jealous of you all in the snow. Merry Christmas, everyone!

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