Flagpole Knob trip 9 March 2013 - Page 3 - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > WF Local > WF Local Forums for Your Region and State > Virginia Jeep Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 02-25-2013, 03:20 PM   #61
Jeeper
 
Buddhacon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 177
FP is stock friendly! I ran my stock Sahara there back in the fall and had no issues

Buddhacon is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-25-2013, 03:47 PM   #62
Jeeper
 
Ridinghigh08's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Amherst
Posts: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tjdude08 View Post
Alright ill talk to my buddies because we're actually going to shoe creek the 2nd or 3rd. Whichever they're off. But ill let you know what we do.
Hey man I live in amherst pretty close to shoe creek and me and a buddy of mine are thinking of going up there this weekend to. Just wondering if you know which day you are going yet?

Ridinghigh08 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-25-2013, 06:14 PM   #63
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
danrb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: VA
Posts: 902
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reaper2332 View Post
...it wont last long between the bears, mountain lions, and coyotes.
Just gotta ask about this. Packs of dogs can take down a Bear, plus a dog is more agile than a Bear. Do we have Cougars here? I thought they were mostly found in the Rockies and out west. Coyotes, I've only seen on the plains.

I admit that my out door knowledge of the hills here on the right coast is limited, so what's the story?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Co...e_map_2010.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Co...bution_map.svg
danrb is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-25-2013, 06:30 PM   #64
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
danrb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: VA
Posts: 902
Quote:
Originally Posted by d_rehmann View Post
Are we allowed to bring dogs with us on this trail?

I would like to get my 3 month old Vizsla out in the open to exercise and explore the world.
Found this advice.

George Washington & Jefferson National Forests - Outdoor Safety & Ethics
danrb is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-25-2013, 06:54 PM   #65
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
danrb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: VA
Posts: 902
Quote:
Originally Posted by danrb View Post
Just gotta ask about this. Packs of dogs can take down a Bear, plus a dog is more agile than a Bear. Do we have Cougars here? I thought they were mostly found in the Rockies and out west. Coyotes, I've only seen on the plains.

I admit that my out door knowledge of the hills here on the right coast is limited, so what's the story?

File:Cougar range map 2010.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
File:Coyote subspecies distribution map.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No bash intended. Just want to know what I need to worry about when I take my kids there. Coyotes don't worry, bears don't worry me, Mountain lions worry me with small children.
danrb is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-25-2013, 08:17 PM   #66
Jeeper
 
BlueRidgeYJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 4,917
Ya'll get up too early, especially on a Saturday! One of these days though....

Quote:
Originally Posted by danrb

No bash intended. Just want to know what I need to worry about when I take my kids there. Coyotes don't worry, bears don't worry me, Mountain lions worry me with small children.
Quote:
Originally Posted by danrb

Just gotta ask about this. Packs of dogs can take down a Bear, plus a dog is more agile than a Bear. Do we have Cougars here? I thought they were mostly found in the Rockies and out west. Coyotes, I've only seen on the plains.

I admit that my out door knowledge of the hills here on the right coast is limited, so what's the story?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Co...e_map_2010.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Co...bution_map.svg
Dogs "hunt" bear here, that is to say they are used to run the bear into the hunter (same with deer). Bear are smart and typically don't like to be around dogs which is why that works so well. Small dogs or lap dogs as well as puppies however will be lunch for any number of things: Hawks, Falcons, Eagles, Bobcats, Foxes - all kinds of stuff, maybe even a bear. If a bear hit it, it would be fatal, but black bear do not "hunt", they forrage and scavange. Get between Mama and a cub (which is a danger in spring when they leave hibernation) and her defensive instincts squish you. Bear spray, bear bells, and open eyes are a good plan to avoid that. That said, black bear want NOTHING to do with you. Nothing at all, except your food scraps.

Coyote do live here. I have heard many and seen one. I would worry more with foxes, though. They are far more common, more cunning, and twice as mean. The 'yotes I have been exposed to have been in the valleys.

The Eastern Cougar is listed by the Commonwealths DGIF as "endangered", though (iirc) it is federally "extinct". 4 years ago, my brother took a picture of a large tan cat, about the size of a really big 100lb+ dog but twice the muscle. It was sitting on the edge of a 3000 acre greenspace just off the App Trail in Nelson Co. I have seen several Bobcats, this wasn't one. You can argue semantics over name, but it was a mountain lion. I have also talked to folks who claim to have been hiking backtrails and witnessed wardens releasing large cats into the woods, but they were not happy to have been witnessed and denied everything (It is a federal crime to move Cougars from the West to the East, even for USDF or USDoI rangers/wardens. The deer population, as well as other small game, cause massive amounts of damage to forests if populations are left unchecked, a role traditionally fullfilled by Eastern Cougars. Since the arrival of European settlers in the 1600s, we have eradicated nearly all, if not all, Eastern Cougars - as well as all the old growth forests. They migrated from the west many years back, but now have no continuous wilderness to do so again, leaving the eastern forests isolated in dire straights, greatly needing a resurgence to their former state... With that in mind, "which hand is the rock in", lol).

To get pictures of cougars people use dogs to track them. I don't worry walking around by myself like a meat popsicle in the middle of nowhere, I certainly wouldn't worry in a group of people or a Jeep. They are naturally reclusive, and they also want nothing to do with you (unless you look particularly tasty).

Bottom line? Yes, there are big mammals in the woods.
If camping, worry more about the mini-bears (chipmonks) getting into your pack than lions, tigers, or real bears. As long as your pic-a-nic basket is hanging from a tree, you'll be fine.
If hiking, worry more about the Timber Rattlers that dot the rocky ridges and outcropings than stumbling into a cat den.
In a Jeep? Those things will all be far, far away.
__________________
“Coming of age in a fascist police state will not be a barrel of fun for anybody, much less for people like me, who are not inclined to suffer Nazis gladly and feel only contempt for the cowardly flag-suckers who would gladly give up their outdated freedom to live for the mess of pottage they have been conned into believing will be freedom from fear.”
BlueRidgeYJ is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-26-2013, 11:19 AM   #67
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Loudoun County, VA
Posts: 340
So are we on for Sat, March 9th for Flagpole? I'm inviting a friend and need to firm up plans.
kawa001 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-26-2013, 03:54 PM   #68
Jeeper
 
Gladi8r's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: NoVA
Posts: 527
Quote:
Originally Posted by danrb View Post
Just gotta ask about this. Packs of dogs can take down a Bear, plus a dog is more agile than a Bear. Do we have Cougars here? I thought they were mostly found in the Rockies and out west. Coyotes, I've only seen on the plains.

I admit that my out door knowledge of the hills here on the right coast is limited, so what's the story?

File:Cougar range map 2010.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
File:Coyote subspecies distribution map.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dan...I'm in Dale City & have had a coyote in my back yard once...
Gladi8r is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-26-2013, 04:05 PM   #69
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Loudoun County, VA
Posts: 340
What's with this thread jacking? ;->
kawa001 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-26-2013, 04:08 PM   #70
Jeeper
 
Reaper2332's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Northern, VA
Posts: 463
We are on for the 9th!
Reaper2332 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 05:40 AM   #71
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
danrb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: VA
Posts: 902
Quote:
Originally Posted by kawa001 View Post
What's with this thread jacking? ;->
You realize you jacked the thread jack?

Bringing the kids this trip? Mine will be coming and they always enjoy it more if their are others.
danrb is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 06:32 AM   #72
Jeeper
 
sgtkersh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 257
Flagpole Knob trip 9 March 2013

Quote:
Originally Posted by danrb View Post
You realize you jacked the thread jack?

Bringing the kids this trip? Mine will be coming and they always enjoy it more if their are others.
Dan, my 18 year old son and 14 year old daughter will be along. My son is going to wheel some!


Sent from AutoGuide.com App
__________________
2013 JKU Sport, Sahara tires/rims - everything else in progress
sgtkersh is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 08:00 AM   #73
Jeeper
 
Buddhacon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 177
1. Tow Points (front and rear)
2. A 4WD vehicle in good working order
3. Full size spare tire and whatever you need to change it on the trail (jack, lug wrench, wheel lock key, etc.)
4. Food, water and whatever you need to survive that day (medication, etc.)
5. Common sense!

Highly recommended equipment:
-CB Radio
-Jacket/Sweat Shirt, it tends to get chilly on top of the mountain
-camera cause there are going to be some great photo ops

No exception requirements:
*Obey instructions of the Trail Leader - Multiple reasons for this one.
*Full tank of gas.
*Follow Tread Lightly principles.
Buddhacon is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 08:04 AM   #74
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
paleh0rse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,118
Buddha, who are you borrowing #5 from this time?
paleh0rse is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 08:24 AM   #75
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
danrb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: VA
Posts: 902
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddhacon
Highly recommended equipment:
-CB Radio
We don't use CBs on these trips. Typically we use hand held radios. I always bring a couple extra.
__________________
2013 JKUR. Rock Krawler 3.5 X-Factor, Nitto Trail Trappler 35x12.5x17, ACE Rock Sliders, Poison Spyder Brawler MID Front Bumper with Brawler Bar, ENGO E10000S Electric Winch, ACE Engineering JK Pro Series Rear Bumper with Tire Carrier, JW Speaker 8700, Dually Fog lights and sPOD
danrb is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 09:01 AM   #76
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
danrb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: VA
Posts: 902
Quote:
Originally Posted by paleh0rse View Post
Buddha, who are you borrowing #5 from this time?
I took the 101 course at Rausch Creek and most of what they teach you is common sense, but as I've learned in life common sense is not so common.

One thing people should be aware of is to give the vehicle in front of you room when going up or down a trail. If the vehicle can't get up the trail they may need to back down which is difficult when your right behind them.

Other things are like how to come down off a rock, don't know how many times I've seen vehicles drop right off a big rock. Reaper has a great video of how to properly come down off a rock. He actually hung his tire on the backside of the rock for about 3 seconds.

Also, not in the common sense part, but a few of us like to air down at the trail head it makes the ride much smoother and helps with traction. The only issue is airing up at the end of the trail, as this can take a bit longer. My Viar takes about 10 minutes a vehicle. So if you want to air down and have a pump please bring it.

The trail is fairly simple. There are only two really technical spots, one has a bypass and the other we've guided newbies over in the past.

Should be fun.
danrb is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 09:04 AM   #77
Jeeper
 
Buddhacon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 177
I THOUGHT I WOULD PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF SUGGESTED MEETING TIMES AND LOCATION??

Meet up locations:


MEET UP 6:30am
Rolling out at 6:45am to head towards Rally point 2

for Springfield/Alexandria area (Rally Point 1 )
Landmark Mall Sears Parking lot
5901 Duke Street
Alexandria, VA 22304
Directions
sears landmark auto - Google Maps


MEET UP 7:00am
Rolling out at 7:45am to Rally Point 3

Fairfax/Manassas area (Rally Point 2 )
Kohls Parking lot
11190 Bulloch Drive
Manassas, VA 20109

Directions
kohls near Manassas, VA - Google Maps

MEET UP 8:00am
Rolling out at 8:40am to Rally Point 3

Front Royal/Winchester Area (Rally Point 3 )
7/11 Truck Stop
9219 Winchester Rd
Front Royal, VA 22630

Directions
kohls near Manassas, VA - Google Maps

9:45AM
ROLL OUT TO TRAILS BY 10:30AM

FINAL RALLY POINT 4
TO BREAK UP INTO GROUPS OR FOR BRIEFING BEFORE HITTING THE TRAILS
OLD FOOD LION
916 West Market Street Harrisonburg, VA 22801





POINTS SOUTH OF WOODBRIDGE


MEET UP 7:00am
Rolling out at 7:45am to head towards Rally point 2B

for Fredricksburg/Stafford area (Rally Point 1A )
Wawa
4527 Plank Rd, Fredericksburg, VA
Wawa to Shell - Google Maps


MEET UP 8:15am
Rolling out at 8:45am to head towards Rally point 4

Culpepper Area
Shell gas station
11113 James Monroe Hwy, Culpeper, VA

directions
http://goo.gl/maps/pGR58







PLEASE START A LIST OF WHO WILL MEET AT WHICH LOCATIONS SO WE DONT LEAVE ANYONE BEHIND, ONCE LIST IS TOGETHER MAYBE WE CAN PM NUMBERS TO EACH LOCATION LEAD??

CB RADIO CHANNEL 4 FOR THOSE WHO HAVE RADIOS

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THE TIMES AND RALLY POINTS?
Buddhacon is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 09:07 AM   #78
Jeeper
 
BigDaddyAt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: King George, VA
Posts: 210
Quote:
Originally Posted by danrb View Post
You realize you jacked the thread jack?

Bringing the kids this trip? Mine will be coming and they always enjoy it more if their are others.
I'll have my boys with me (4 and 7 years old).
BigDaddyAt is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 09:28 AM   #79
Jeeper
 
SHYUperman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Chantilly, VA
Posts: 689
I'll be meeting you guys at Fairfax/Manassas area (Rally Point 2) Kohls Parking lot
SHYUperman is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 10:05 AM   #80
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
danrb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: VA
Posts: 902
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddhacon View Post
PLEASE START A LIST OF WHO WILL MEET AT WHICH LOCATIONS SO WE DONT LEAVE ANYONE BEHIND, ONCE LIST IS TOGETHER MAYBE WE CAN PM NUMBERS TO EACH LOCATION LEAD??
Hey I thought Reaper was organizing this trip. What happened?
danrb is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 11:41 AM   #81
Jeeper
 
gyramax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Christiansburg, Va
Posts: 219
Quote:
Originally Posted by danrb View Post
Hey I thought Reaper was organizing this trip. What happened?

Hey, on a trip like this things can get out of hand really quick.
gyramax is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 11:59 AM   #82
Jeeper
 
d_rehmann's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 237
Quote:
Originally Posted by danrb View Post
We don't use CBs on these trips. Typically we use hand held radios. I always bring a couple extra.
Why no CB's? I JUST ordered mine at 11:30 and was excited to use it
__________________
2011 Wrangler JK. Auto.
Teraflex 2.5" Suspension Lift
Firestone Destination 33" A/T's
Uniden 510XL 3' Wilson Flex Antenna
d_rehmann is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 12:13 PM   #83
Jeeper
 
sgtkersh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 257
Flagpole Knob trip 9 March 2013

Dan and reaper, I have two radios this time and a CB both vehicles with me will be covered with two ways.


Sent from AutoGuide.com App
__________________
2013 JKU Sport, Sahara tires/rims - everything else in progress
sgtkersh is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 12:13 PM   #84
Jeeper
 
Buddhacon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 177
Quote:
Originally Posted by d_rehmann View Post
Why no CB's? I JUST ordered mine at 11:30 and was excited to use it
Ive used CB's all the time on the trails and on the convoys
Buddhacon is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 12:16 PM   #85
Jeeper
 
Buddhacon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 177
Quote:
Originally Posted by danrb View Post
Hey I thought Reaper was organizing this trip. What happened?
not taking over the trip, just trying to help organize it a bit and to relieve some headaches for REAPER

I hate going on unorganized rides it turns into a headache and cluster and then only 2 people will show up.

Buddhacon is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 01:38 PM   #86
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
paleh0rse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,118
Quote:
Originally Posted by d_rehmann View Post

Why no CB's? I JUST ordered mine at 11:30 and was excited to use it
Most NVJA members will still be on our standard CB channel the whole time talking shit, so I promise you won't get lonely...
paleh0rse is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 02:45 PM   #87
Jeeper
 
Buddhacon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 177
I apologize to REAPER for jacking your ride! didn't mean to come across that way, just was trying to help since there was barely any info regarding this.

So if I came across as a "Type A obnoxious individual" didn't mean to come across that way and wasn't trying to be "presumptuous and insulting " by hijacking this thread!
Buddhacon is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 02:50 PM   #88
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
danrb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: VA
Posts: 902
Quote:
Originally Posted by paleh0rse View Post
Most NVJA members will still be on our standard CB channel the whole time talking shit, so I promise you won't get lonely...
BTW, you realize that the core group here are not members of NOVA Jeepers, let's not be exclusive. We even have one or two non-jeep vehicles coming with.

And please let's not turn this into another membership drive, like all the other ones you guys have tagged along on. I'm not joining!
danrb is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 03:27 PM   #89
Jeeper
 
Reaper2332's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Northern, VA
Posts: 463
Wow, I got a phone call from Dan talking about this thread going from one hijack to another and now apparently it has been taken over by another member.

As I stated in prior posts, I will be putting out a TRIP/TRAILPLAN 1 week prior to the ride. At this point I will have people start informing me if they are coming and what equipment they have. There is absolutely no point in getting down into the details until this point due to everybody's schedule changing.

My small group and I are not a member only group. We also do not treat anybody with disrespect because they have a stock Jeep or even a completely different vehicle ie trailblazers, yukons, tahoes.

As for talking shit I hope your just stating you'll be BSing on the CB. I will not tolerate anybody putting anyone down and if you do I will ask you to proceed a head of us and don't look back.

We are all going on this trip for the same reason...TO HAVE FUN AND MEET NEW PEOPLE IN THE OFFROAD COMMUNITY. Dan I appreciate you sticking up for me and my planned trail ride. Anybody is welcome to join us and if you would like for buddacon to plan out his own trip and join him, please send him a pm so he can start his own thread.
Reaper2332 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 02-27-2013, 03:52 PM   #90
Jeeper
 
Buddhacon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 177
Sorry didn't mean to jack your ride was just trying to help that's all, and I'm pretty sire palehorse was referring to talking shit was as in joking around on the radio and not disrespecting anyone .

But all is good lets have fun I'm down to meet new people and enjoy some trails

Buddhacon is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Download our Mobile App

» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:51 AM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC