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Old 10-06-2013, 03:14 PM   #1
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Goverment closer?

My wife and I have our first trail ride set up for October 18,19 and 20. Hotel reserved. My problem is Peters Mill Run and Taskers Gap is/was our destination. This area for my understanding requires a permit. No permits are being sold according to gov. website.
Do you think the trails are open to no permit or are they closed?
What are some other options in the area?
Looking for scenic ride for first timer. We have a hotel reserved at exit 273 off I81. Could cancel if need be.
Any help would be appreciated .

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Old 10-06-2013, 07:43 PM   #2
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If it requires admission / permits and is federal, unless it pumps oil it is closed. If it is a road that does not require admission / permits, like flagpole or shoe creek, it is open but only for through traffic. Pulling over even to take a picture is illegal.

I assume this is true for PM / TG as well.

Please write your congressman and senator to explain how their inability to do their job has affected you.

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Had a trip planned for the same dates to GWNF. I checked myself and you're better off not going because if they're not sure what's open vs. not opened, rest assured it's not open.
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:01 PM   #4
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How do you know what is closed or not in GWNF? I can't seem to find anything online that says there is a restriction to thoroughfare only.

I was planning on exploring the area west of Harrisonburg this Saturday...
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Old 10-09-2013, 07:34 PM   #5
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How do you know what is closed or not in GWNF? I can't seem to find anything online that says there is a restriction to thoroughfare only.

I was planning on exploring the area west of Harrisonburg this Saturday...
GWNF is closed. The rangers were instructed to close everything that requires maintenance, like a trash can or a bathroom (from an email sent out by the US Forest Service via spokesperson Barbara Walker, who cannot answer any questions b/c she is furloughed). All facilities in all national parks or forests are closed to citizens. All road ways not fitting the above, not requiring permits (some locations are still selling existing permits from commercial facilities until they run out), or not requiring admission are open for travel. Basically, you can drive anywhere there is no gate, cones, or sign. All facilities, campgrounds, and offices are closed.

The Forestry website redirects you to their daddy, the USDA, which just runs around. There is a 'shutdown procedure', but I haven't seen anything relavent in it. Of course, I didn't look very hard, either.

Per the US Forestry website:
Due to the lapse in agency funding, the sale of all types of permits (i.e., recreation, firewood, forest products, mineral materials for example) are suspended, recreation.gov reservations are suspended, and all federally owned recreation sites are closed. All offices are closed. These services will be available once funding is restored.

USFS shutdown procedure http://www.usda.gov/documents/usda-fs-shutdown-plan.pdf

And http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...h-inn/2923169/
"Unlike national parks, which have gates and entrance fees, the Blue Ridge Parkway — like other federal parkways including Natchez Trace in Mississippi and Tennessee, John D. Rockefeller Jr. Memorial Parkway in Wyoming and George Washington Memorial Parkway in Virginia — is not closed to traffic but National Park Service visitor centers, historic sites, campgrounds, picnic areas and restrooms along the routes are shuttered because of the budget impasse in Congress."
Which is from an interesting story about a privately owned Inn on the BRPkway that the feds have forced closed, though the road remains open. These workers don't get hand out pay like the vacationing fed employees when it is over. Or like the pigs blocking the entrance to a private establishment on leased land... yet Texas and Florida National Parks still pump oil for private companies.

Back on topic...
I know this is fact: "Other sections of the (Appalachian) (T)rail that are managed by the U.S. Forest Service have not been closed down." (Those controlled by the NPS have been closed)
So why close the roads, ya know?
I also know the district ranger of Sequoia and Sierra National Forests, Dave Martin, has been quoted to say:
"Only scattered camping is available now at non-concessionaire managed sites in the national forest. We're in the middle of (deer) hunting season and a lot of hunters are out there camping. Trails also remain open. There are too many roads leading into national forests to gate every entrance. While forests remain accesable, services will be limited."


Hope this clears the air a little.
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Thanks Blue Ridge. I did read that part regarding the AP trail. So it seems like it is also similar regarding all the forest roads. I'm guessing this weekend is going to suck if I start hitting "closed" gates. I guess we will see. I was really looking forward to checking out Meadows Knob and Flagpole Knob for possible future camping spots. I was also wanting to explore the NE side of HWY 33 as well... This stinks. My only open weekend for weeks to come.

On a side note, my wife is enjoying her furlough time at home.... lol...

I still plan on continuing on with our expedition though.
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Thanks Blue Ridge. I did read that part regarding the AP trail. So it seems like it is also similar regarding all the forest roads. I'm guessing this weekend is going to suck if I start hitting "closed" gates. I guess we will see. I was really looking forward to checking out Meadows Knob and Flagpole Knob for possible future camping spots. I was also wanting to explore the NE side of HWY 33 as well... This stinks. My only open weekend for weeks to come.

On a side note, my wife is enjoying her furlough time at home.... lol...

I still plan on continuing on with our expedition though.
My pleasure. It has been a pita to find anything out beyond speculation or some dude blogging. You would think one effin P.R. rep could be 'essential'.

The part that gets me is shutting down camping. Most, or at least a large portion of, lodges / campgrounds ADD money and require NO federal monies to operate.... which is why many were not going to close 2 short years ago in the last go 'round.

I would say yeah man, go ahead. They shouldn't have closed anything unless there is something inside - like Lake Sherando or Humpback Rocks. I'm hoping to go out this w/e to the TJ Forest myself.
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For anyone wanting to hit TJ or GW NF. I just spent Saturday and Sunday camping Shoe creek trail. We were not alone. Many others out there. I have never seen a ranger, just nelson county sheriff. The bathroom at the top is "closed" it has a sign, but the door is unlocked
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The Government shutdown should be done now. At least all my Government contracts I manage are back to normal operations of as today. That's good news for many people for many reasons!
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The Government shutdown should be done now. At least all my Government contracts I manage are back to normal operations of as today. That's good news for many people for many reasons!
No thanks to people like our own representative Robert hurt, who voted against reopening the government.

Just remember in November he would rather see your child die than give up some of his congressional salary to give her medicine. And not only that, but he would rather see America default on the bills and veterans receive no benefits or compensation than allow a constitutionally passed law to proceed.

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