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Old 10-17-2013, 01:43 PM   #1
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Novice trails in Virginia?

Can anyone recommend some novice/beginner trails that are in Virginia, preferably close to Norfolk?

New to the East Coast and running a Rubicon stock with no winch or snorkel. Just want to do some basic crawling without need for spotter but still engage 4Hi/Lo.

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Old 10-17-2013, 04:31 PM   #2
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Can anyone recommend some novice/beginner trails that are in Virginia, preferably close to Norfolk?

New to the East Coast and running a Rubicon stock with no winch or snorkel. Just want to do some basic crawling without need for spotter but still engage 4Hi/Lo.

Thanks much!
Shoe Creek and flagpole are the closest legal trails in VA to Norfolk

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Shoe Creek and flagpole are the closest legal trails in VA to Norfolk
x2. The only trails you'll find within 50 miles of here, will be nothing but illegal mud spots.
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I am coming from the Arlington area. I assume these two trails still probably be the best as well?

I just bought a new wrangler rubicon (stock). I am new to off-roading, and the Jeep only has 80 miles on it, so the engine is not quite broken in yet. I am new to the area as well (originally from Michigan), so I do not really know what all is out there.

Still, I didn't buy this thing to stay on the pavement, and I am itching to take it somewhere. I just don't want to push the engine too hard yet, or go over my experience level.

I was hoping to get into a mountainous trail with some views before I miss the changing of the leaves (maybe I already have in elevated areas?).


Someone already mentioned Shoe Creek trail to me, I was just wondering if you guys had any other suggestions.
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Maybe Rausch Creek up in PA.
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:02 PM   #6
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I am coming from the Arlington area. I assume these two trails still probably be the best as well? I just bought a new wrangler rubicon (stock). I am new to off-roading, and the Jeep only has 80 miles on it, so the engine is not quite broken in yet. I am new to the area as well (originally from Michigan), so I do not really know what all is out there. Still, I didn't buy this thing to stay on the pavement, and I am itching to take it somewhere. I just don't want to push the engine too hard yet, or go over my experience level. I was hoping to get into a mountainous trail with some views before I miss the changing of the leaves (maybe I already have in elevated areas?). Someone already mentioned Shoe Creek trail to me, I was just wondering if you guys had any other suggestions.
flagpole is the place you want to go for views and leaves changing
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flagpole is the place you want to go for views and leaves changing
x2...Flagpole would be really nice right now for the leaves. I just saw some pics from the NovaJeepers that went up there last weekend and it looks like there's still time before peak foliage. There are 2 different technicals on Flagpole that can definitely be done in stock, but one of them tends to be easier when you have someone with you. As for the views, they're really cool.

Peter's Mill Run is a closer trail, and is a little bit easier to find. It's also flatter, but definitely a decent trail with some cool photo opportunities on the trail during fall. After the trail, there is a the Woodstock Tower which is an easy 5 minute walk from the parking lot and, like Flagpole, has great views of the valley. But that's not while you're in your Jeep like Flagpole.
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x2...Flagpole would be really nice right now for the leaves. I just saw some pics from the NovaJeepers that went up there last weekend and it looks like there's still time before peak foliage. There are 2 different technicals on Flagpole that can definitely be done in stock, but one of them tends to be easier when you have someone with you. As for the views, they're really cool. Peter's Mill Run is a closer trail, and is a little bit easier to find. It's also flatter, but definitely a decent trail with some cool photo opportunities on the trail during fall. After the trail, there is a the Woodstock Tower which is an easy 5 minute walk from the parking lot and, like Flagpole, has great views of the valley. But that's not while you're in your Jeep like Flagpole.
dont forget, peters mill and taskers gap require permits, I think they are $5 or something really cheap, but still require a permit.
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Rausch Creek is for beginner to expert. Last time I was there I tore off a fender, and popped a sidewall. Blues are definately not for novice. Most of the greens are harder than the stuff here in VA.

I'd start with Peter's mill run. Easy way to break your jeep into off roading. Then go to flagpole. Not to hard unless it's muddy, icy or packed with snow. We had one trip last year we never made it to the top.

So it's really choose your poison, when it comes to off roading. For me Rausch creek is the way to go. As hard as you want it to be. Remember if you go to Rausch creek you need to go in a group of two or more.
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Rausch Creek is for beginner to expert. Last time I was there I tore off a fender, and popped a sidewall. Blues are definately not for novice. Most of the greens are harder than the stuff here in VA. I'd start with Peter's mill run. Easy way to break your jeep into off roading. Then go to flagpole. Not to hard unless it's muddy, icy or packed with snow. We had one trip last year we never made it to the top. So it's really choose your poison, when it comes to off roading. For me Rausch creek is the way to go. As hard as you want it to be. Remember if you go to Rausch creek you need to go in a group of two or more.
we too had a trip to flagpole we didn't make it to the top, hit ice and snow on a good incline and had to stop, some other jeep was being winched down the mountain because of a popped brake line. So we had to stop to let him pass, then when we tried to take off again, we almost slipped of the side.

We turned around went back down and went to the reservoir side, which was easy and beautiful in the snow (it had more snow than the union springs side, union spring side was all ice really)

Flagpole is fun, and I wouldn't mind another winter run of flag pole, but we might want to do a reservoir side, union spring gets iffy in the winter with the ice
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Thanks for the suggestions guys.

I wanted to head out this weekend, but something came up.

I am going to do it next weekend though.
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Thanks for the suggestions guys.

I wanted to head out this weekend, but something came up.

I am going to do it next weekend though.
I'll be up for a trip in two to three weeks after I get my new clutch installed. I haven't been out since August. Peter's Mill is a nice day trip.
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I m up for a day trip. I have my jeep for a year and still aint had time to get it dirty yet. I live in the Hampton roads area, if any wants to get together for the ride up I m open. The trip would not have to be a weekend I m a shift worker.
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I'm in Richmond area and looking to take mine out for the first time as well. Would definitely be interested in meeting up for a trip at Flagpole.
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Has anyone been to red cloud off road park? I am thinking of going Saturday.
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Has anyone been to red cloud off road park? I am thinking of going Saturday.
i have a friend that goes often, he takes his expedition
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Has anyone been to red cloud off road park? I am thinking of going Saturday.
I have been there once so far; I had fun...Probably going again on Sunday, 17 Nov...
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Flag Pole in the George Washington NF is a stock friendly run. My first run with a group. Son followed in his stock Wrangler Sahara and did well. Good ride.
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Has anyone been to red cloud off road park? I am thinking of going Saturday.
Red Cloud is great for everyone regardless of your setup. You can follow the folks there in a group or take off on your own in smaller groups. Lots of places to get stuck, so i highly recommend sticking with someone that has a good winch. I ran it stock with no worries and then i put a lift on and managed to take off my side fenders. Now I have 35s and am dying for an open day to get back in there. Bring $5 for hotdogs/brats and a coke. good place for new guys like me to listen to some stories and probably learn some good stuff, too.
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I know its late but,,,It is 930 Friday night nov 8, I am looking for any one from Newport News Va. heading out Sat. or Sun to flagpole or any where to 4x4 I have never been and would like to follow.
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I am coming from the Arlington area. I assume these two trails still probably be the best as well? I just bought a new wrangler rubicon (stock). I am new to off-roading, and the Jeep only has 80 miles on it, so the engine is not quite broken in yet. I am new to the area as well (originally from Michigan), so I do not really know what all is out there. Still, I didn't buy this thing to stay on the pavement, and I am itching to take it somewhere. I just don't want to push the engine too hard yet, or go over my experience level. I was hoping to get into a mountainous trail with some views before I miss the changing of the leaves (maybe I already have in elevated areas?). Someone already mentioned Shoe Creek trail to me, I was just wondering if you guys had any other suggestions.
Flag Pole is perfect for stock jeeps and a scenic drive there are a few muddy spots and hills but nothing crazy. I just went yesterday 11-10 with two stock JKs and my 05 LJ and we made it through everywhere with no problem. Definitely don't go alone and bring tow straps just in case! Better safe than sorry.

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