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Old 06-06-2013, 12:15 PM   #1
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ORV TAX... get ready to take it in the ass MI

ORV permit fees are going up... I've read the bill... it's very unclear what the different payment amount cover... anyone else understand this?

Michigan House approves 1st significant increase in hunting, fishing license fees since 1997 | News - Home

The bill HB 4669... http://legislature.mi.gov/documents/...9-93091DBA.pdf

Doesn't the current $16.50 permit cover State Trails? And if so, what is the difference between the new $26.50 and $36.50 permit??


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Old 06-06-2013, 01:27 PM   #2
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Because off roaders have all the money, of course they'll tax us. We're rich. I don't understand this yet either.

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Old 06-06-2013, 03:02 PM   #3
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After more reading... it appears to be:

Private property No sticker required
Anywhere else $26.50
State Trail System $36.50

Interestingly Jeepers only have access to 20% of the trails, while motorcycles and 4 wheelers have access to about 75%... the rest is for hiking/skiing/bicycling ... one could argue we should only have to pay 20%... LOL
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Now I am guessing this doesn't become active until next year correct?
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Old 06-06-2013, 04:08 PM   #6
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Correct - effective March 2014 like the new hunting and fishing license regs.

A little background - the rate has not changed since 1991, the $16.25 we pay today should be around $30 as adjusted for inflation. The ORV program is self-funded and does not receive funds from the general fund.

The ORV program generated a surplus in the 1990s, and in the 2000s the DNR was directed by the legislature to spend down the surplus, as well as add 700 miles to the ORV system. We have enjoyed no increase in the permit fee, but as early as 2008 the writing was on the wall that the fee was going to need an increase to meet current needs. In fact in 2008 I sat on a DNR advisory panel along with representatives from other user groups, and when we all put our lists of needs/wants/desires together, it was looking like $45 was the necessary fee amount to balance the budget, but we all knew no one was going to accept that kind of an increase. Unfortunately, GLFWDA and other user groups have been working unsuccessfully for several years to get the DNR and the legislature to agree on the how/when/what for the fee increase - the DNR did not have authority to change the permit fee on its own. This year there are actually projects that were not funded because we really needed this increase last year. I think the whole $26/$10 thing is a bit goofy since everything I have read makes it sound like we will need to pay both to use places like Silver Lake. So while I am not happy about paying double next year, I have watching this and working on it for several years along with being a grant sponsor and frankly if the trail system is going to maintained, the fee has to go up.
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Old 06-06-2013, 08:57 PM   #7
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Correct - effective March 2014 like the new hunting and fishing license regs.

A little background - the rate has not changed since 1991, the $16.25 we pay today should be around $30 as adjusted for inflation. The ORV program is self-funded and does not receive funds from the general fund.

The ORV program generated a surplus in the 1990s, and in the 2000s the DNR was directed by the legislature to spend down the surplus, as well as add 700 miles to the ORV system. We have enjoyed no increase in the permit fee, but as early as 2008 the writing was on the wall that the fee was going to need an increase to meet current needs. In fact in 2008 I sat on a DNR advisory panel along with representatives from other user groups, and when we all put our lists of needs/wants/desires together, it was looking like $45 was the necessary fee amount to balance the budget, but we all knew no one was going to accept that kind of an increase. Unfortunately, GLFWDA and other user groups have been working unsuccessfully for several years to get the DNR and the legislature to agree on the how/when/what for the fee increase - the DNR did not have authority to change the permit fee on its own. This year there are actually projects that were not funded because we really needed this increase last year. I think the whole $26/$10 thing is a bit goofy since everything I have read makes it sound like we will need to pay both to use places like Silver Lake. So while I am not happy about paying double next year, I have watching this and working on it for several years along with being a grant sponsor and frankly if the trail system is going to maintained, the fee has to go up.
I agree after thinking about it for a while it only makes sense if you look at it and yes it initially sucks but really the once a year fee really isn't all that big considering the amount of trails there are and how often we drive them and if it means we will have "better" trails then I am all for it we drive jeeps we are willing to fill our gas tanks to go out and enjoy the trails while getting 11-17 MPG it shouldn't really matter given the fact it has stayed the same for so long! And if you look at it if you ride a dirt bike or four wheeler or a jeep/vehicle it's all the same price so at least it won't be one sided or unfair in fact for is jeep people it works out better because at least we can legally drive our vehicle there and enjoy them vs having to trailer them!
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:52 PM   #8
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I agree with all thats been said Paul... however, the fact still remains that we do not have equal access... only 20% of the maintained trails are open to Jeeps (and other full size 4x4)... we're paying more than our fair share if I understand it right. Motorcycles pay the same rate, but have access to 3X the trails we do?

And yes, I'd even be willing to pay $100/year... but I'd also want access to places I am not allowed to go today.
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I agree with all thats been said Paul... however, the fact still remains that we do not have equal access... only 20% of the maintained trails are open to Jeeps (and other full size 4x4)... we're paying more than our fair share if I understand it right. Motorcycles pay the same rate, but have access to 3X the trails we do?

And yes, I'd even be willing to pay $100/year... but I'd also want access to places I am not allowed to go today.
So go call your state rep and state senator and let them know. Join the GLFWDA. Go volunteer to work on one of the many local and regional citizens advisory panels that works with DNR to improve the local trail systems. And when someone sends you a survey make sure that you tell them flat, wide, sandy snowmobile trails are NOT what 4x4 owners are looking for.

OK, getting off my soap box now....
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Old 06-07-2013, 06:17 AM   #10
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GLFWDA is on the list for next week....!! Be more than happy to help.

Oddly enough, I have been blocked from my Congresspersons FB pages... seems they don't like people spreading reality... but I do write letters.. and mail them

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