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Old 07-13-2012, 09:33 PM   #31
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Hick, anything?

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Old 07-15-2012, 07:44 AM   #32
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Hey Guys,

Here's the real scoop based on some facts:

1. I've been a cop for 30 years.
2. I've never written up ANYONE on ANY vehicle for having tires that exceed the fenders. BUT That's just me.
3. It IS illegal in MA to have any part of your tires outside the fenders; HOWEVER fenders on a Jeep do include the flares.
THERE IS NO EXCEPTION IN THE LAW FOR 4X4 vehicles despite how someone reads and interprets the way the law is written. (I have been over this with the Magistrates and a few Judges at District Court)

Obviously the law is in place to keep debris, spray, etc. from getting kicked back onto traffic behind you.

It would be best if you invested in a good set of flares for your jeep, I have 6" Tags on mine and they take a beating and hold up well. My flares cover 95% of my tires. The tread area is completely covered, (That’s the important part) and just a bit of the
sidewall runs past.

Now I can't speak for all the guys on the job, but most of them are not looking to bust ba**s simply for tires running past the fenders UNLESS you’re driving habits are attracting their attention. THERE ARE HOWEVER, enough dipsh*ts, with a total lack of common sense, that it is beyond me how they ever even became a cop in the first place, will try and make everyone’s life miserable. I know, I work with several!

The other thing you have to consider is yearly inspections. Big tires and huge lifts are an instant failure. The Registry has been all over inspection stations monitoring their practice. I have a very good friend who runs a very legit. auto repair/inspection station and he’s been bagged 3 times over unbelievably stupid sh*t in the past few months by "secret shoppers" from the registry coming in for "inspections"

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Put a smaller set of tires on it that don't stick out so bad, take pics and drive a different car to court, show them the pics and hope you get out of it like I did or BIGGER FLARES


What if the cop snapped a pic. or worse yet has the stop on video from a dash cam? (I do this routinely when citing for an equipment violation as the cause of an accident!) Won’t you look foolish trying to lie to the Magistrate about how the Jeep miraculously transformed into a street legal vehicle! My advice, plead ignorance to the law, be apologetic, and cry poverty! LOL! Hope for the best- a not responsible finding, or a reduced fine. (Yes, you can request a reduced fine, Magistrates routinely do that.) It’s bad enough that the friggin' State now charges you $25 for a hearing. They got their hands in your wallet even before your found responsible!

Welcome to Taxachusetts! The home of never ending road construction, taxes, and stupid fees!

Just my 2 cents! Take it for what it’s worth!

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Now I can't speak for all the guys on the job, but most of them are not looking to bust ba**s simply for tires running past the fenders UNLESS youíre driving habits are attracting their attention. THERE ARE HOWEVER, enough dipsh*ts, with a total lack of common sense, that it is beyond me how they ever even became a cop in the first place, will try and make everyoneís life miserable. I know, I work with several!
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I have good road manners the cop was dot trained and is always looking out for stuff like that. Anyway that night I put my stock tires on until I could make some 8" flatties. I just thought it was a little much for a first offence he could of given me a warning. Any way haven't herd anything yet but I will update when I find out. Here is some pics of her.


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LMAO! If figures, send em' to a training class for a couple of days and their out to save the world! Nice job on the flare extensions! Those front tires look a bit stuffed, you get much rub? What size lift you running?
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:20 PM   #36
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Good write up officer! Maybe this will put to rest many of the critics. Whether you like it or not that officer was doing their job. It's your fault for not obeying the law. They are readily available for reading online.
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Thanks for the pasteris71.
But let me say this; there is a difference between doing your job, and doing it with common sense. I can tell you from many years of experience that common sense is no longer very common with a lot of the new guys. (And people in general for that matter!) Training has changed a lot over the last 10 years or so at the Academies and it seems that they produce an awful lot of book smart robots who can't apply common sense to the job.
A lot of Jeepers, especially newbies, get overexcited about doing mods to their Jeeps when it comes to lifts and tires and have done so with no "malice aforethought", and most of the time, a complete ignorance (not disregard) of the law.
I routinely stop Jeeps when I'm working and give owners a "heads up" (or verbal warning as one would say) about tires being too wide, and another really big one - no mirrors. It's never a formal "license and registration" stop, but more of an informal "hey just a head up, but ya can't.........) I usually follow it up by giving them my email address and request they contact me for info about forums, links, etc., I've accumulated over the years so they can become educated about what they can and can't do.
Think about it, are you really going to write a fine to a guy who popped his doors off on a beautiful Sunday afternoon to take his kids out for a ride because it's so "cool" to them, but didn't even think about the fact that he's running with no mirrors? Personally, it's just not my style.

But hey, thats just me. I don't have all the "fancy book-learnin" a lot of the young guys have - just speakin' from 30 years street experience and a LOT of common sense.

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LMAO! If figures, send em' to a training class for a couple of days and their out to save the world! Nice job on the flare extensions! Those front tires look a bit stuffed, you get much rub? What size lift you running?

I don't have a lift yet and the tires are 33"x12.5 I haven't herd them rub in 2 months. When I am wheeling and disconnected at full flex it rubs.

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As you can see. Can't weight till I can afford a lift.
And I forgot to mention the cop has been working for probly 50 years. He was up for retirement a few years ago.
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Hey Guys,

Here's the real scoop based on some facts:

1. I've been a cop for 30 years.
2. I've never written up ANYONE on ANY vehicle for having tires that exceed the fenders. BUT That's just me.
3. It IS illegal in MA to have any part of your tires outside the fenders; HOWEVER fenders on a Jeep do include the flares.
THERE IS NO EXCEPTION IN THE LAW FOR 4X4 vehicles despite how someone reads and interprets the way the law is written. (I have been over this with the Magistrates and a few Judges at District Court)

Obviously the law is in place to keep debris, spray, etc. from getting kicked back onto traffic behind you.

It would be best if you invested in a good set of flares for your jeep, I have 6" Tags on mine and they take a beating and hold up well. My flares cover 95% of my tires. The tread area is completely covered, (Thatís the important part) and just a bit of the
sidewall runs past.

Now I can't speak for all the guys on the job, but most of them are not looking to bust ba**s simply for tires running past the fenders UNLESS youíre driving habits are attracting their attention. THERE ARE HOWEVER, enough dipsh*ts, with a total lack of common sense, that it is beyond me how they ever even became a cop in the first place, will try and make everyoneís life miserable. I know, I work with several!

The other thing you have to consider is yearly inspections. Big tires and huge lifts are an instant failure. The Registry has been all over inspection stations monitoring their practice. I have a very good friend who runs a very legit. auto repair/inspection station and heís been bagged 3 times over unbelievably stupid sh*t in the past few months by "secret shoppers" from the registry coming in for "inspections"

As for Rafikies' advise:



What if the cop snapped a pic. or worse yet has the stop on video from a dash cam? (I do this routinely when citing for an equipment violation as the cause of an accident!) Wonít you look foolish trying to lie to the Magistrate about how the Jeep miraculously transformed into a street legal vehicle! My advice, plead ignorance to the law, be apologetic, and cry poverty! LOL! Hope for the best- a not responsible finding, or a reduced fine. (Yes, you can request a reduced fine, Magistrates routinely do that.) Itís bad enough that the friggin' State now charges you $25 for a hearing. They got their hands in your wallet even before your found responsible!

Welcome to Taxachusetts! The home of never ending road construction, taxes, and stupid fees!

Just my 2 cents! Take it for what itís worth!

Happy Trails!
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Great write up and from yet another LEO here in Mass
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Hey Guys,

Here's the real scoop based on some facts:

1. I've been a cop for 30 years.
2. I've never written up ANYONE on ANY vehicle for having tires that exceed the fenders. BUT That's just me.
3. It IS illegal in MA to have any part of your tires outside the fenders; HOWEVER fenders on a Jeep do include the flares.
THERE IS NO EXCEPTION IN THE LAW FOR 4X4 vehicles despite how someone reads and interprets the way the law is written. (I have been over this with the Magistrates and a few Judges at District Court)

Obviously the law is in place to keep debris, spray, etc. from getting kicked back onto traffic behind you.

It would be best if you invested in a good set of flares for your jeep, I have 6" Tags on mine and they take a beating and hold up well. My flares cover 95% of my tires. The tread area is completely covered, (Thatís the important part) and just a bit of the
sidewall runs past.

Now I can't speak for all the guys on the job, but most of them are not looking to bust ba**s simply for tires running past the fenders UNLESS youíre driving habits are attracting their attention. THERE ARE HOWEVER, enough dipsh*ts, with a total lack of common sense, that it is beyond me how they ever even became a cop in the first place, will try and make everyoneís life miserable. I know, I work with several!

The other thing you have to consider is yearly inspections. Big tires and huge lifts are an instant failure. The Registry has been all over inspection stations monitoring their practice. I have a very good friend who runs a very legit. auto repair/inspection station and heís been bagged 3 times over unbelievably stupid sh*t in the past few months by "secret shoppers" from the registry coming in for "inspections"

As for Rafikies' advise:



What if the cop snapped a pic. or worse yet has the stop on video from a dash cam? (I do this routinely when citing for an equipment violation as the cause of an accident!) Wonít you look foolish trying to lie to the Magistrate about how the Jeep miraculously transformed into a street legal vehicle! My advice, plead ignorance to the law, be apologetic, and cry poverty! LOL! Hope for the best- a not responsible finding, or a reduced fine. (Yes, you can request a reduced fine, Magistrates routinely do that.) Itís bad enough that the friggin' State now charges you $25 for a hearing. They got their hands in your wallet even before your found responsible!

Welcome to Taxachusetts! The home of never ending road construction, taxes, and stupid fees!

Just my 2 cents! Take it for what itís worth!

Happy Trails!
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Great write up and from yet another LEO here in Mass
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What did you do to extend your flares
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look on cheap easy fun creative much I posted pictures
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Excerp from MA 50CMR400 Page 11:
"(b) Fenders. Front and rear fenders must be in place on all vehicles manufactured after model year 1949 if such vehicles were designed and manufactured to be operated with front and rear fenders. Every passenger motor vehicle under 10,000 lbs. (GVWR) , except four wheel drive vehicles which are equipped with tires which extend beyond the fenders or body of such vehicle shall be equipped with flaps or suitable guards to reduce such spray or splash to the rear and side"

per the law 4wd vehicles are allowed to have tires extending out as long as there are proper mud flaps in place.
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Excerp from MA 50CMR400 Page 11:
"(b) Fenders. Front and rear fenders must be in place on all vehicles manufactured after model year 1949 if such vehicles were designed and manufactured to be operated with front and rear fenders. Every passenger motor vehicle under 10,000 lbs. (GVWR) , except four wheel drive vehicles which are equipped with tires which extend beyond the fenders or body of such vehicle shall be equipped with flaps or suitable guards to reduce such spray or splash to the rear and side"

per the law 4wd vehicles are allowed to have tires extending out as long as there are proper mud flaps in place.
Sorry Charlie, er, mattamd

The CMR's (Code of Massachusettes Regulations) were written specificly for the MA Turnpike authorities and are only enforceable on State Highways / Turnpikes/ Bridges (Unless a City of Town has adopted them - which, not that many have)

The CMR's do not "trump" Mass General Laws Chapter 89 & 90 which govern most of the motor vehicle laws. The CMR's were written back in the late 80's to replace the old "Articles" which were no longer allowed to be written into the new Uniform Citation that MA developed.

As I said in my previous posting - I have been over this with Judges and ADA's at District Court - Jeeps or "4WD" vehicles are NOT exempt from C90/7 PERIOD.
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b) Fenders. Front and rear fenders must be in place on all vehicles manufactured after model year
1949 if such vehicles were designed and manufactured to be operated with front and rear fenders.
Every passenger motor vehicle under 10,000 lbs. (GVWR) , except four wheel drive vehicles
which are equipped with tires which extend beyond the fenders or body of such vehicle shall be
equipped with flaps or suitable guards to reduce such spray or splash to the rear and side.


It appears that the only thing law enforcement can get you on is no mud flaps preventing any debris from hitting passing as well as vehicles in the rear. its absurd to think of fender flares with mud flaps but i beleive thats the only thing they can get you on.
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Hey Guys,

Here's the real scoop based on some facts:

1. I've been a cop for 30 years.
2. I've never written up ANYONE on ANY vehicle for having tires that exceed the fenders. BUT That's just me.
3. It IS illegal in MA to have any part of your tires outside the fenders; HOWEVER fenders on a Jeep do include the flares.
THERE IS NO EXCEPTION IN THE LAW FOR 4X4 vehicles despite how someone reads and interprets the way the law is written. (I have been over this with the Magistrates and a few Judges at District Court)

Obviously the law is in place to keep debris, spray, etc. from getting kicked back onto traffic behind you.

It would be best if you invested in a good set of flares for your jeep, I have 6" Tags on mine and they take a beating and hold up well. My flares cover 95% of my tires. The tread area is completely covered, (Thatís the important part) and just a bit of the
sidewall runs past.

Now I can't speak for all the guys on the job, but most of them are not looking to bust ba**s simply for tires running past the fenders UNLESS youíre driving habits are attracting their attention. THERE ARE HOWEVER, enough dipsh*ts, with a total lack of common sense, that it is beyond me how they ever even became a cop in the first place, will try and make everyoneís life miserable. I know, I work with several!

The other thing you have to consider is yearly inspections. Big tires and huge lifts are an instant failure. The Registry has been all over inspection stations monitoring their practice. I have a very good friend who runs a very legit. auto repair/inspection station and heís been bagged 3 times over unbelievably stupid sh*t in the past few months by "secret shoppers" from the registry coming in for "inspections"

As for Rafikies' advise:



What if the cop snapped a pic. or worse yet has the stop on video from a dash cam? (I do this routinely when citing for an equipment violation as the cause of an accident!) Wonít you look foolish trying to lie to the Magistrate about how the Jeep miraculously transformed into a street legal vehicle! My advice, plead ignorance to the law, be apologetic, and cry poverty! LOL! Hope for the best- a not responsible finding, or a reduced fine. (Yes, you can request a reduced fine, Magistrates routinely do that.) Itís bad enough that the friggin' State now charges you $25 for a hearing. They got their hands in your wallet even before your found responsible!

Welcome to Taxachusetts! The home of never ending road construction, taxes, and stupid fees!

Just my 2 cents! Take it for what itís worth!

Happy Trails!

What a great post. Thanks for your service!

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