I agree with priell3. I researched this extensively before I ever ran without doors. (I Have the quadratec mirror relocators, and yes I don't like not seeing the pass side mirror) I live just outside Pittsburgh, and have not once been pulled over for driving without doors, regardless of the fact that everytime I see an officer he looks over at me. And that is with multiple pd's. The vehicle code says it all. But, let's be honest here, some towns will overlook the fact that it's not illegal as long as the local magistrate will do the same. So I figure it's up to you. How bad do you want to run minus doors? Me, it's my favorite way to drive my Wrangler!
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on the weekends we love to go out without doors (4 off). this past weekend we were up in albany, ny and went by about 5 differant cops. my wife note that they all would give us a steal glare, but not one pull over. the only thing that we have done was take off the four doors and in the hinge hole on the drivers side put one of thoughs cheap round mirrors on (note bought it at the harley davidson showroom for about 15 bucks. we drive around ct,ma,ny,me,vt, and nh. looks but no tickets.
Just putting my 2 cents in, I've driven next to/past/behind/in front of cops with the top off and the doors off, I've also got my rear view mirror, both side mirrors and 2 blind spot mirrors. I've never gotten pulled over or even looked at funny. I live about 30 mins south of Philly so they don't really care too much here
I can answer this since I just had this happen to me a week ago...
You HAVE to run with doors on...Depending on the cop, they can/will write you up for what is a called a "Vehicle Inspection Code Violation"...It is a $98 fine and I have had a YJ, TJ, and now a JK and I have never had a problem and I had a local cop stop me in a parking lot when I was getting ready to leave my parking spot when he pulled in behind me...
Hate to reopen a dead thread, but since summer is only a few days away I figure I would elaborate on what Tank29 was commenting on
§ 4107. Unlawful activities.
(a) VIOLATION OF VEHICLE EQUIPMENT STANDARDS.-
(1) It is unlawful for any person to sell, offer for sale, lease, install or replace, either separately or as part of the equipment of a vehicle, any item of vehicle equipment affecting the operation of the vehicle which does not comply with this title or regulations promulgated thereunder, or which does not comply with an applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standard adopted by regulation by the department.
(2) Any person convicted of violating this subsection shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $ 100 for each violation. Each violation of the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a separate violation with respect to each motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment or with respect to each failure or refusal to allow or perform an act required thereby, except that the maximum civil penalty shall not exceed $ 10,000 for any related series of violations.
(b) OTHER VIOLATIONS.-It is unlawful for any person to do any of the following:
(1) Willfully or intentionally remove (other than for purposes of repair and replacement) or render inoperative, in whole or in part, any item of vehicle equipment which was required to be installed at the time of manufacture or thereafter upon any vehicle, by any law, rule, regulation or requirement of any officer or agency of the United States or of the Commonwealth, if it is intended that the vehicle be operated upon the highways of this Commonwealth unless the removal or alteration is specifically permitted by this title or by regulations promulgated by the department.
This is the law in pensylvania that he was speaking about, especially the part under the Other Violations. It's ridiculous considering that it essentially bans tire modifications, 3rd brake light modifications, soft top modifications, removal of the back seat, blah blah blah. The first part basically comments that you can't modify your wrangler in a way that doesn't comply with any federal or commonwealth (retarded commonwealth) regulations, essentially emissions and suspension. This really doesn't fall into the legislation upon taking the doors off, so really, if you're concerned about the $98 ticket then go take it to court and fight it.
I would just put your doors on a pair of saw-horses and take a picture and show 'em that you're repairing the doors
Anyways, I'll be driving my wrangler in the great commonwealth of pennsylvania, but mine is inspected, registered, and repaired in the best state of New Jersey
I just spoke with a buddy of mine who is a cop near West Chester Pa. he said that he wouldn't pull over a doorless Wrangler unless the guy was doing something really stupid or he had another reason to pull him over... so I guess the bottom line is that it just depends on the cop.... I am pissed tho. I was really looking forward to going topless and doorless all summer, but I don't feel like getting tickets all the time
every time I look at my Jeep I love it more and more
Pa...you can ride a motorcycle without a helmet but don't take the doors off your jeep. I live outside philly and they don't seem to bother people...In philly its a joke anyway..you can just about kill someone and no one will care.
So far so good. I have passed two city of Pittsburgh cruisers on the 4th of July on Mt Washington & a Robinson Twp cruiser today, and haven't had an issue. I am running with safari mirrors on. Hope this never becomes av issue. Too much fun!
I didnt get to read through all these, but from what I understand, you can have doors off, because they are factory made to be removed. if not lie and say you bought it without the doors (lol) and i was told that you have to have two mirrors, and combo of two outside or left or right with your rearview... someone on here said only one mirror fit code. so Im not really sure. im not gona worry about it too much because the area I drive in, I havent ever seen a cop within 5 miles of my home/ trails in 13 years... but in towns I would be more cautious. if you really want to know, call them and ask
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i drive with the doors off. As long as you have one mirror you are ok. For inspection you need the rear view mirror and the driverside mirror, just found out about that last month. Took the jeep in to get inspected and would not do it unless the driverside mirror was on it.
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Ok, I HAVE to chime in. I AM a cop. I had my Jeep inspected WITHOUT the doors on this summer. The vehicle inspection laws for PA say that IF there is a door present, it must latch. Removing the doors from a Jeep is like taking down the top. It is DESIGNED to do so. Cops who cite people for this need to remove the utility pole from their rectum and move along with life ( been a cop for 20 years by the way). There are absolutely NO laws written that an officer could cite you for, for not having doors on your Jeep. This is a hot issue with me ( in case you missed that), it's a constant argument I have with rookies. Having mirrors usually keeps you from being harassed by PIA rookies.
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What this cop gave your friend IS NOT law. Sounds like something the cop got in a training class. PA State Troopers LOVE to enforce this nonexistent law.
lol i figured it was a middlesex township cop with a stick up his ass because he stopped me on my way to work about mine being off and showed me the exact paper my friend got a copy of.
his argument was that if i can drive with my doors off he should be able to drive his cruiser with no doors, but IMO that isn't a valid argument because jeep doors are meant to be taken off and his doors weren't
I was bored on midnights last night, so I was browsing the inspection manual (yeah, that bored). It says the doors must be in place for inspection, my mechanic is so familiar with me and my Jeep, he inspects it however I drop it off because he knows I have working doors. It doesn't say you can't OPERATE the Jeep with no doors, just that they must be present when inspected.
There's also a section that says it all has to be there unless its made to come off??? That's PA laws for you....
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