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Old 04-03-2014, 08:13 AM   #1
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PA state inspection

Hey everyone, I got turned down for an inspection today. Just fishing for thoughts on if it's crap or fact. Had to go to a shop I'd never been to because the guy I'd normally go to is out for a few weeks and my inspection was up on the 1st.

They told me:
1) front turn signals wouldn't pass because they're not bright enough. They are the LED ones that are on the smittybilt tube fenders. I'm not an automotive professional, but I feel like this is crap.

2) cut down bumper is too short. I have no clue if this is a big deal or not. Honestly never thought there was a problem with it. I had been planning to replace it with an SRC to match the back or maybe even an XRC but haven't due to months of unemployment (it's sad it's easier to get heroin here than a job). So is this short bumper thing a real concern? I see guys with smaller bumpers on their JKs all the time.

3) no license plate light. ok, I did know about this and completely forgot. It's mounted on the tire carrier (SRC). Are there license plate lights that aren't a hassle to install/wire? I'll research it, but you've use/know of anything I'd appreciate the advice.

Any input on 1 and 2 would be awesome, and any suggestions for 3 would be great too. Thanks guys.

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Old 04-03-2014, 08:32 AM   #2
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1... Ummm... yea it's a big problem get some real turn signals... don't let a state trooper catch ya or any cop around PGH they'll tow it just to spite you... Not to mention having had those fenders before those led's are so dimm they are barely accent lights...

Those fenders would likely fail over here too the tops of the tires must be 85% covered front to rear...I.e. from the furthermost point of the front circumfrence to the rear and down iirc, the tires cant stick out past the side of the fenders... you can usually get away with about an inch out the side...

2. Bumper technically needs to be as wide as the main body of the vehicle, in the jeeps case the tires don't count, more of a grey area though if it weren't a cut down stocker you would have likely had better luck on that one but ymmv...

3.... thats an easy fix... parts store light and 2 wires ot the running light side of the tails... low wattage bubs are best...

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Thanks for the input! I looked up and have been reading the state's regulations for inspection. Very enlightening. I'll throw the link up for the PDF if anyone's interested.

I knew the signals were small, but I never thought they weren't bright enough. They just have to be bright enough to see in sunlight at 100ft. Double checked a while ago and I could see it at over 100ft. I'm in a small town with tons of cops and haven't ever gotten more than a casual glance from them. (PDF page 2 f.1) They actually said they would pass the fenders. and from what I read in the state's documentation I agree.

As far as the bumper goes the only comment about the width is that it can't be wider than the body or the OEM part, which ever is greater (PDF page 9. section 8). From what it says it sounds like my bumper is fine.

Thanks again for the input. I might go out tomorrow and see about a license light.

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms...ubchapterE.pdf
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1) i'd get brighter lights like kilo said, I had trouble with that in the past.

2) never dealt with that, my stubby bumper never came in question when I got inspected (my stinger was another story)

3) what kilo said
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Well, is there anything I can fit in place of those signals with or without minor/moderate modifications?
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Thanks for the input! I looked up and have been reading the state's regulations for inspection. Very enlightening. I'll throw the link up for the PDF if anyone's interested.

I knew the signals were small, but I never thought they weren't bright enough. They just have to be bright enough to see in sunlight at 100ft. Double checked a while ago and I could see it at over 100ft. I'm in a small town with tons of cops and haven't ever gotten more than a casual glance from them. (PDF page 2 f.1) They actually said they would pass the fenders. and from what I read in the state's documentation I agree.

As far as the bumper goes the only comment about the width is that it can't be wider than the body or the OEM part, which ever is greater (PDF page 9. section 8). From what it says it sounds like my bumper is fine.

Thanks again for the input. I might go out tomorrow and see about a license light.

http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms...ubchapterE.pdf
As long as you don't enter the republic of Mt. Lebanon or anywhere really in Allegheny county you wont get a ticket or a hassle... As soon as you enter the confines of Allegheny county they make the rules as they go...

Honestly though from a legal in court perspective lose the led's and put some oem size signals on the rig some place... Been there done that, some one had led's you couldn't see in direct sunlight and well they got a jeep in their side from yours truly... they paid for everything and their insurance promptly dropped them... messing with the oem signals is a really bad plan period, especially in and around any major traffic, like city rush hour...

From experience I can honestly say brake lights, turn signals, and headlights should never become smaller than oem and should be as bright or brighter in 100% direct sunlight or you are going to pay for the the accident yourself regardless of who appears to be at fault... Not only is it a liability its a matter of safety, if it was a show truck that one thing, it gets driven once in a blue moon, this looks more like a daily driver, why risk it?

Also there is discretion and shop standards, if the guy with the inspection license doesn't think it is safe or he doesn't like it he is not required to pass it... I will say again he is not required to pass it regardless of the state's PDF rulebook... you are welcome to take it elsewhere for a second opinion however if a vehicle is modified from original no one has to pass it and you can argue till you are blue in the face the state will tell you the same thing if you talk to them...

This is part of the reason that once my house is built in FL I will be titling everything there... no inspection no emissions...

Look around for some decient size round universal turn signals and flush them into the grill like the JK's do... in fact get the clear oem JK tun signals
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Look around for some decient size round universal turn signals and flush them into the grill like the JK's do... in fact get the clear oem JK tun signals
Josh I'll check my garage, I think i still have mine laying around if you are interested in doing this.
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Old 04-03-2014, 06:36 PM   #8
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My family has three generations of PA inspection licenses, over dinner I asked two of them what they thought.

Basically it's really up to the inspector to determine if you meet or do not meet the rules, just like the last post says.

His/her signature on the inspection sticker makes them liable for any 'failure to meet x inspection standard' ticket you have later. If they passed you with those turn signals then later you were in an accident that sites them as not bright enough the mechanic could loose their license or even more if the 'other guy' gets lawyers involved.

It's not a defense but an explanation. Someone my family knows will get more wiggle in the gray areas then someone they don't. Maybe just wait for your guy?
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Very good advice Kilo. I hadn't thought about the liability aspect of it. I had thought they were bright enough. It really isn't worth the risk, even if I am 100% in the right. Especially how people lie/omit the truth to get out of insurance claims.

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Josh I'll check my garage, I think i still have mine laying around if you are interested in doing this.
Thanks for the offer! I just might be interested. I saw some people had done that when I was researching some options. Are they the standard OEM JK ones?

To be honest, I'm not a fan of these fenders. Not too fond of stock either, but if I had swapped them out myself I wouldn't have gone with these.
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Yeah, I do understand they're putting themselves on the line somewhat. This is why I hate going places I don't know. Some people don't care and will put inspection stickers on a hunk of crap, others are anal about everything... when you don't know them you don't know what you're walking into.

My guy probably would have still said something about the license plate light (as he should)...and the signals too, although he may have let them go. Looks like I'll be fixing the lights and seeing if I can get back to my regular guy in a few weeks.
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Josh yes they are the oem ones. I'll snap a pic after work (hpefully I remeber that's 8 hours away) and post it up
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Awesome. Whenever you get the chance is fine. No rush.

Looks like the TJ bulb/socket fits into the JK style light housing (from what other's have said). I doubt the I still have the stock wiring intact, as it was the previous owner who installed the fenders and signals. If not I might have to do JK bulbs, wiring, etc and make it work.
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the bulbs should still be in them, not sure about the wiriring
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You don't have a shop around you that will let you pay a little more for a pass? I never had much issues with getting a car to pass inspection and if I did nothing a few extra dollars can't help with.
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I caution on a few extra $$$ with a shop owner doing state inspections with whom you do not know as I'm sure you are well aware of that's a bribe and would be filled with fines should he/she turn you in to authorities it's against the law.......
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I caution on a few extra $$$ with a shop owner doing state inspections with whom you do not know as I'm sure you are well aware of that's a bribe and would be filled with fines should he/she turn you in to authorities it's against the law.......
That's why you go to a smaller shop and not a chain. And who the hell would turn you in for that even if they did turn you down lol.
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A little off the original topic, but...

I wouldn't ever pay for a sticker. 1) it's illegal. 2) even if some of the inspection laws are crap it's still good to have your ride checked by a qualified mechanic. 3) if someone is dishonest enough to sell inspection stickers, I don't want them near my car ever. I can't have faith that any of their other work is honest or complete.

Local shops are always better to deal with. Cheaper and more personal service usually.
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A little off the original topic, but...

I wouldn't ever pay for a sticker. 1) it's illegal. 2) even if some of the inspection laws are crap it's still good to have your ride checked by a qualified mechanic. 3) if someone is dishonest enough to sell inspection stickers, I don't want them near my car ever. I can't have faith that any of their other work is honest or complete.

Local shops are always better to deal with. Cheaper and more personal service usually.
Well that's your call and GL with the inspection. Also about having a "qualified mechanic" look at your ride. Did you ever watch what they do when you get your car inspected lol it's not much at all. You said money was a issue and this is the cheapest way to get it done. It's not like your car is a rolling death trap because the bumper and fenders are cut.
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A little off the original topic, but...

I wouldn't ever pay for a sticker. 1) it's illegal. 2) even if some of the inspection laws are crap it's still good to have your ride checked by a qualified mechanic. 3) if someone is dishonest enough to sell inspection stickers, I don't want them near my car ever. I can't have faith that any of their other work is honest or complete.

Local shops are always better to deal with. Cheaper and more personal service usually.
Exactly! good plan to stay away from them...
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I used to be an inspection mechanic. My uncle used to check over my personal cars after I inspected them and wouldn't give a sticker a couple of times-lol. I knew the laws, but some of my cars were the worst and last to be fixed. Yes, it is always advisable to have someone legit to look over your vehicle. Very good advise.
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