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Old 04-02-2009, 05:26 AM   #31
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James you know me angle , I have posted it many times.

Do you really believe the hill in the picture is a legal dirt road ??

If you are really that confused please call the DEC, they can meet up with you next time you come up this way and walk you thru the Do's and Dont's.

There is [1] road that goes N/S from Tyrell lot.
There is [1] road that goes E/W from TSP lot.

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What some folks dont understand is that 4x4's and trucks have used this forest for years.
Going back there for Hunting or Firewood has never been a problem.

Since last fall we have had a huge influx of out of towners coming up here ripping up illegal trails, driving thru wetlands, littering and just being basic idiots.

Nobody here has any problem with folks coming up and enjoying this beautiful forest.

If you know any 4x4ers who are ignorant to the rules of 909 or have no respect for the Forest , tell them to stay home!!!.

They have ruined it for everyone.

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Old 04-02-2009, 05:44 AM   #32
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Burton,

Heres a copy of a posting I just made in another local jeep forum,
Like it says, i wont be there again and hopefully others will do the same

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I think as a group we should unofficially close 909 to all Jeep and truck traffic.
We can do this by just staying away from there
What at the beginning seemed like a nice place to wheel quickly turned into an area of contraversy.
I myself have been there twice and have followed the tracks of othes who have been there before.
I also stayed off of trails that were marked as snomobiles only
This summer as the ground dries up maybe you can return but only before having a group discussion with the park ranger so they can clarify what roads/trails are legal to drive on

I will not be going back to 909, yes it was fun but I have seen it and I am moving on to better things"

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Old 04-02-2009, 05:56 AM   #33
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Burton,

Heres a copy of a posting I just made in another local jeep forum,
Like it says, i wont be there again and hopefully others will do the same

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I think as a group we should unofficially close 909 to all Jeep and truck traffic.
We can do this by just staying away from there
What at the beginning seemed like a nice place to wheel quickly turned into an area of contraversy.
I myself have been there twice and have followed the tracks of othes who have been there before.
I also stayed off of trails that were marked as snomobiles only
This summer as the ground dries up maybe you can return but only before having a group discussion with the park ranger so they can clarify what roads/trails are legal to drive on

I will not be going back to 909, yes it was fun but I have seen it and I am moving on to better things"
Cool .. This is a good idea.

The 'No Motor Vehicle signs' disappear faster then the state can get them up.

Working with the DEC , and weeding out the Riff Raff is the only way to go. Right now everyone is considered a outlaw.
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Cool .. This is a good idea.

The 'No Motor Vehicle signs' disappear faster then the state can get them up.

Working with the DEC , and weeding out the Riff Raff is the only way to go. Right now everyone is considered a outlaw.
Hopefully you are working with the DEC and helping to keep those signs up, going out to the trails and explaining to the new people what is out of bounds and what is not. But do it with more tact than you have done here.
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good read!!! I love a good fight now and again!!
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good read!!! I love a good fight now and again!!
Thats what we dont want
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It's also what's not going to happen in this thread anymore. Everyone has had their say, now it's done.
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Why should 909 close down? Because burton4x4 says so? I dont think he should be aloud to walk through there. I sont think he should have an opinon. Does that make me right? Does anything stated here make him right? Burton.....if you do not want to participate in good fun(not illegal) then please stay out of the conversation. I'm sure we have all heard this saying berfore "If you dont have anything good to say, dont say anything!" When you see me or anybody else talking about "illegal off-roading" then by all means, jump on in. But until then, Be nice and enjoy the forum. We are all here to share a common bond.
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Hopefully you are working with the DEC and helping to keep those signs up, going out to the trails and explaining to the new people what is out of bounds and what is not. But do it with more tact than you have done here.
This is exactly whats happening.

When you refer to tact, and others refer to a good fight -you might be unaware of the aggression and destruction some of your fellow 4x4 owners have brought and I have witnessed firsthand at the 909.
Hikers/bikers/runners/dogwalkers/birders/hunters, etc. come to the 909 to enjoy the peace and quiet. When 4x4's impose on myself and others by driving in illegal places and leave the forest worse than it was -and some are looking for a fight, tact is gone.
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Why should 909 close down? Because burton4x4 says so? I dont think he should be aloud to walk through there. I sont think he should have an opinon. Does that make me right? Does anything stated here make him right? Burton.....if you do not want to participate in good fun(not illegal) then please stay out of the conversation. I'm sure we have all heard this saying berfore "If you dont have anything good to say, dont say anything!" When you see me or anybody else talking about "illegal off-roading" then by all means, jump on in. But until then, Be nice and enjoy the forum. We are all here to share a common bond.
Close Down? YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO DRIVE THERE, OTHER THAN 4 MILES. ITS ILLEGAL! NOT BECAUSE WE SAY SO! ITS THE LAW AND YOURE ALSO PISSING PEOPLE OFF.
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hmmm, instead of calling the number, maybe I'll just knock on my neighbors door since he just happens to be a DEC forest ranger.
This is a good idea. Some of your driving buddies could also use some English reading lessons, as in "NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES"
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I hope you right. Lets see if he has the balls to PM me his REAL number
I also saw your 909 pictures. About half of them were in illegal places. And Beacon pics too -though those arent my concern.
Its good enough for you to understand there are concerned legal users of the 909 who are fed up with illegal motorized activity.
If you want to discuss what is legal there, there are 3 Ranger/Forester contact #'s in the kiosk's. Call them.
Btw, there's no swamp area on the 2 legal truck trails.

If you have specific questions about the 909, I'd be happy to correspond via pm.
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Goob, you seem to be lumping the whole 4WD community together. This sounds like a very small area that is being impacted.
By tact I mean signing up to a forum just to flame a thread. It has negative impacts. I understand illegal trail use and the frustration that goes with it. It doesn't help our image. Educating people on the do's and dont's works for 99% of the people out there. Its the 1% that needs to be beaten. You need to be able to recognize who that 1% is and not bash the others.
Here on WF when we find people who are breaking the rules we lecture them harshly on proper wheeling and respect for our lands. The offenders usually get it and cease the illegal adventures.
I think you and Burton have made your point over and over. I will lock this thread if you post anything but positive influence again.

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Is there a way we can block users on this forum?? THIS IS A WRANGLER FORUM!!!! NOT A PISSING MATCH FORUM!! IF YOU CANT GET INVOLVED WITH JEEP WRANGLERS, PLEASE DO US ALL A FAVOR AND GO AWAY! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! If you DO have a WRANGLER, get involved with the other topics, post some pics and have a good time. This is my last post with you as I am choosing the option of ignoring anymore nonsense from this thread. And yes, I live in the Hudson Valley in case you were wondering.
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oarnage, I don't want to close the thread or block/ban users. If there was any illegal activity I'd like to see it stopped also. I think that most WF members in the area being discussed now know more about wheeling the 909.
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The thread is now closed and will not be reopened. Everyone has had their say and it's done. WF does not condone illegal wheeling, but we will not allow unsubstantiated accusations against our members.

If anyone would like to open a discussion about how illegal wheeling, ie wildcatting, ruins the 4x4 community from the inside please post it up in the landuse area of the forum. It is a huge problem that we should all be concerned about if we want to continue to have places to enjoy our sport.
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Old 04-03-2009, 07:25 PM   #47
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Once again I'm dealing with this 909 thing.

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If anyone would like to open a discussion about how illegal wheeling, ie wildcatting, ruins the 4x4 community from the inside please post it up in the landuse area of the forum.
This was NOT an invitation to continue this particular battle. Take it to PM if you still have issues with each other.

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