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02-02-2011 12:09 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by MTH View Post
Wait, I thought that once you end up in north Jersey you--by definition--have in fact NOT "made it."
That's true. I hear the books are closed.



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Fistbump?
02-02-2011 11:28 AM
MTH
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Originally Posted by daggo66
You southern boys wouldn't make it ten minutes in north Jersey.
Wait, I thought that once you end up in north Jersey you--by definition--have in fact NOT "made it."

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Originally Posted by daggo66
I'm all for being friends but if you think I'm giving any of you a man hug you can effing fahgetaboutit.
Fistbump?
02-02-2011 09:52 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by ortizml86 View Post
haha, I'm sure he's just trying to be a pain in the rear!
Thank you very much missy.
02-02-2011 06:57 AM
ortizml86
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Originally Posted by TheMadBotanist View Post
Man, you never miss an opportunity to be a prick, do you?

Fine, Daggo, stickler for semantics and self appointed policeman of the JK forum, I'd like to expand upon the original question and wonder aloud if there will ever be a hard lift gate for a softtop. Like I said, it would be an engineering problem, but it would be awfully handy.
haha, I'm sure he's just trying to be a pain in the rear!
02-02-2011 06:32 AM
j33pZ ^^ x2
02-01-2011 09:48 PM
ncossey
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Originally Posted by daggo66
You southern boys wouldn't make it ten minutes in north Jersey. I'm all for being friends but if you think I'm giving any of you a man hug you can effing fahgetaboutit.
Haha and you city slickers would do so well here in the south!
02-01-2011 08:51 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by MMJ89586 View Post
I'll mess with it when the weather shapes up. Right now we're in the middle of a blizzard. Thanks for the tips. Any tips on keeping the rear window clean. What the best thing to use? I've been thinking about a squeegee.
If you rub the dirt you will scratch the plastic. Spray it off with a hose. once the dirt is off you can use a micro fiber cloth. I have used Ragtop cleaner and protectant and I have recently switched over to Bestop for the same products.
02-01-2011 08:49 PM
daggo66 You southern boys wouldn't make it ten minutes in north Jersey. I'm all for being friends but if you think I'm giving any of you a man hug you can effing fahgetaboutit.
02-01-2011 08:44 PM
ncossey
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Originally Posted by MTH
I'll support ya' MadBotanist--got to help my fellow NCer. Hell, I work 60 hours week here in Raleigh where the wise WF tells me you're from.

One thing you'll learn about Daggo and ncossy is that while they're not necessarily pr*cks, they are, shall we say, "warm-fuzzy-impaired." No one on this forum could claim to come forward and share a heartwarming story of their conversations with either of them. It's just the way it is. They're just not that snuggly. I hear Daggo eats used auto parts for breakfast while he re-reads his 2009 owners manual . . . over and over again, every morning. It's true. And ncossey works for the American Red Cross, so you can imagine just how charming he is during an emergency.

That said, both of them have helped me out a lot since I've been hanging around. They're not the only ones of course, but it's hard to beat Daggo's encyclopaedic knowledge of the JK. And I'm pretty sure ncossey has forgotten more about wheeling than I'll ever know.

Now, as to your "wild and crazy" rear window suggestion, I can think of some ways it could probably be pulled off from a factory standpoint. Redesigning the windows to include a removable frame perhaps, and having some built in anchor points inside the Jeep. Aftermarket on the existing tops however, it seems like it'd be a lot tougher. But hey, if somebody pulls it off at a reasonable price, it could be pretty cool. Loading my kids' stroller in the back of my soft top JKU is not fun.
Aww, you gave me a warm and fuzzy!!
Sorry madbotanist, i didnt intend to be an ass, but somebody has to have daggos back when we arent arguing!
02-01-2011 08:43 PM
MMJ89586 I'll mess with it when the weather shapes up. Right now we're in the middle of a blizzard. Thanks for the tips. Any tips on keeping the rear window clean. What the best thing to use? I've been thinking about a squeegee.
02-01-2011 08:21 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by Geoff@Bestop View Post
that there is what I believe they call a Freudian slip.
02-01-2011 07:23 PM
TheMadBotanist
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Originally Posted by PHX View Post
How much would you pay for one? $500? By the time you patent, develop the product, manufacture, distribute, ship, pay your dealers, etc., it would be at least that.
Very good points, I was thinking about that while driving home from work today. Yeah, I think the price would be around 500, at least until you could seriously ramp up production and start moving volume, which would never happen because there are probably not enough people out there to want this thing.

So, yes, practical matters relating to the production and marketing of this thing make it not currently exist, that does not however have ANY bearing on the possibility of this thing being...possible.

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Wait! I found a product that is exactly what you're looking for. It's called a "hard top".
haha...nice, I do want a hardtop, just dont want to spend 2500 on one, 500 for liftgate capabilities on a softtop? maybe....
02-01-2011 07:22 PM
Geoff@Bestop
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
I was trying to be a "prick" at all. You may have inferred it, however. I read that you were saying I didn't answer the original question and I felt I did, that's all.
that there is what I believe they call a Freudian slip.
02-01-2011 07:18 PM
TheMadBotanist
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Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
I was trying to be a "prick" at all. You may have inferred it, however. I read that you were saying I didn't answer the original question and I felt I did, that's all.

Meh, I do need to apologize, far more prickish things have been said, guess I was just in the wrong mood at the wrong time, my bad.
02-01-2011 06:26 PM
MTH I'll support ya' MadBotanist--got to help my fellow NCer. Hell, I work 60 hours week here in Raleigh where the wise WF tells me you're from.

One thing you'll learn about Daggo and ncossy is that while they're not necessarily pr*cks, they are, shall we say, "warm-fuzzy-impaired." No one on this forum could claim to come forward and share a heartwarming story of their conversations with either of them. It's just the way it is. They're just not that snuggly. I hear Daggo eats used auto parts for breakfast while he re-reads his 2009 owners manual . . . over and over again, every morning. It's true. And ncossey works for the American Red Cross, so you can imagine just how charming he is during an emergency.

That said, both of them have helped me out a lot since I've been hanging around. They're not the only ones of course, but it's hard to beat Daggo's encyclopaedic knowledge of the JK. And I'm pretty sure ncossey has forgotten more about wheeling than I'll ever know.

Now, as to your "wild and crazy" rear window suggestion, I can think of some ways it could probably be pulled off from a factory standpoint. Redesigning the windows to include a removable frame perhaps, and having some built in anchor points inside the Jeep. Aftermarket on the existing tops however, it seems like it'd be a lot tougher. But hey, if somebody pulls it off at a reasonable price, it could be pretty cool. Loading my kids' stroller in the back of my soft top JKU is not fun.
02-01-2011 06:17 PM
Barrie The name calling ends or the thread does. Your choice.
02-01-2011 06:13 PM
seadog
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Originally Posted by ghendrix6 View Post
It needs to be like a garage door. Either the kind that rolls up or runs in tracks against the celing. It could attach to the roll bars inside, and just snug up against the inside of the soft top when closed.
That is actually not a bad idea.
02-01-2011 06:08 PM
ghendrix6 It needs to be like a garage door. Either the kind that rolls up or runs in tracks against the celing. It could attach to the roll bars inside, and just snug up against the inside of the soft top when closed.
02-01-2011 06:01 PM
seadog ^with the special Hemi-Killer motor and aerodynamically correct profile.
02-01-2011 05:55 PM
j33pZ
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Dumb question, but is there any way to get the rear window and bar to lift so you can get larger items in the Jeep; like the hard top has?
I heard that the new 2012 model will have a soft top lift-gate as an option on the Sahara models only. You may want to wait to get a jeep until the 2012 is available.
HTH
02-01-2011 05:19 PM
seadog OK, you have two problems. Using a pressurized piston, puts pressure on two points. The base, which could be mounted on top, like the hard top. And the piston, mounted low on the hard top. For the piston to operate, the base has to be mounted to a hard point. If you attach it to the the underside of the soft top, the top will just roll and the piston really wont do anything.

The piston is something else. It is engineered for a specific load and length. Since there is no (very little) weight with the soft window, the piston would have no push. The tailgate holds the piston in the closed position on a hard top. How would you do it with a soft window?

Not to mention that the piston is constantly trying to expand, pushing against hard points. If you did it on a soft window, the fabric would constantly be under strain, unless you found a way to lock them down Which defeats "easy open".

Lastly, if you were able to figure out a way to mount a hard top window into a soft top, where would you attach the pistons? Roll bar? Upside down in the tub? Defeats the purpose of a soft top.

Just my opinion. YMMV...
02-01-2011 04:51 PM
Geoff@Bestop You all are being too harsh on TheMadBotanist. I don't think he (?) worded his point exactly right, but he's thinking creatively: what if there was a really cool way to open the soft top rear? A hatch or a hinge or a bracket or sumthin' that would make it all easier.

I think that's an interesting and fun point. What the hey. Creative people don't always state things in the "normal" way, because they make strange connections.

It's just, like, you know, my opinion, man.
02-01-2011 03:50 PM
InfernoGirl Folding those struts that support the weight of the window would be a major pita......
02-01-2011 03:48 PM
ncossey
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Originally Posted by TheMadBotanist

What? It's totally possible...why couldnt you just attach a zipper around the top and sides of a hard-top lift gate, and zip it into the already existing hole in a soft-top? The zipper is already in place, you'd just need a liftgate of the correct size, and probably need to add some support at the top where the hinge would be.
Just because you have no imagination doesnt mean it's a 'stupid question'.
Theres a huge difference between having an imagination, and foolish thinking. You sir, are a fool if you honestly believe that the above method is possible. For starters, the soft top probably couldnt support the weight of the glass window. Secondly, the zippers on these soft tops are already crappy quality, if they cant stay in shape with a plastic window, what makes you think they could with a glass one. Lastly, where are you going to attach the lift supports, to the softtop? I dont know if you have noticed, but these soft tops belly out with an inch of snow, having a 20 pound glass window resting on it is going to have similar effects. Lets not play the back and forth game. The product you are asking about will most likely never be made.
02-01-2011 03:35 PM
seadog
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Originally Posted by PHX View Post
Wait! I found a product that is exactly what you're looking for. It's called a "hard top".
Where do I send the bill for the monitor?
02-01-2011 03:30 PM
PHX
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Originally Posted by TheMadBotanist View Post
What? It's totally possible...why couldnt you just attach a zipper around the top and sides of a hard-top lift gate, and zip it into the already existing hole in a soft-top? The zipper is already in place, you'd just need a liftgate of the correct size, and probably need to add some support at the top where the hinge would be.
Just because you have no imagination doesnt mean it's a 'stupid question'.

I have 4 or 5 catalogs at home that contain everything imagineable for Jeeps. I think if there is a viable product that has enough commercial interest and sales potential, it's avaiable. I haven't seen a lift gate, yet, for a soft top. Probably due to the fact it is difficult to engineer, and has little market.
How much would you pay for one? $500? By the time you patent, develop the product, manufacture, distribute, ship, pay your dealers, etc., it would be at least that.

Wait! I found a product that is exactly what you're looking for. It's called a "hard top".
02-01-2011 03:22 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by TheMadBotanist View Post
What? It's totally possible...why couldnt you just attach a zipper around the top and sides of a hard-top lift gate, and zip it into the already existing hole in a soft-top? The zipper is already in place, you'd just need a liftgate of the correct size, and probably need to add some support at the top where the hinge would be.
Just because you have no imagination doesnt mean it's a 'stupid question'.
Hypothethically speaking, if I were trying to be a "prick", I would say something such as, "If you already thought of a solution, why did you ask?" See the difference?

Lighten up Francis.
02-01-2011 03:20 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by TheMadBotanist View Post
Man, you never miss an opportunity to be a prick, do you?

Fine, Daggo, stickler for semantics and self appointed policeman of the JK forum, I'd like to expand upon the original question and wonder aloud if there will ever be a hard lift gate for a softtop. Like I said, it would be an engineering problem, but it would be awfully handy.

I was trying to be a "prick" at all. You may have inferred it, however. I read that you were saying I didn't answer the original question and I felt I did, that's all.
02-01-2011 01:26 PM
TheMadBotanist
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Originally Posted by ncossey View Post
Can you honestly think of a way thats even possible? No need to call someone a prick because you asked a stupid question. I mean seriously, how would that even be possible? It would be so problematic and expensive that it wouldnt be cost efficient. Just be a man, and unzip your back window, it lifts up if you unzip both sides to the top!
What? It's totally possible...why couldnt you just attach a zipper around the top and sides of a hard-top lift gate, and zip it into the already existing hole in a soft-top? The zipper is already in place, you'd just need a liftgate of the correct size, and probably need to add some support at the top where the hinge would be.
Just because you have no imagination doesnt mean it's a 'stupid question'.
02-01-2011 01:05 PM
ncossey
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Originally Posted by TheMadBotanist

Man, you never miss an opportunity to be a prick, do you?

Fine, Daggo, stickler for semantics and self appointed policeman of the JK forum, I'd like to expand upon the original question and wonder aloud if there will ever be a hard lift gate for a softtop. Like I said, it would be an engineering problem, but it would be awfully handy.
Can you honestly think of a way thats even possible? No need to call someone a prick because you asked a stupid question. I mean seriously, how would that even be possible? It would be so problematic and expensive that it wouldnt be cost efficient. Just be a man, and unzip your back window, it lifts up if you unzip both sides to the top!
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