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07-19-2007 11:34 PM
Redrubicon2004
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Originally Posted by Jase View Post
So do you think EVERYONE should be punished for the actions of ONE person? If 1 is too many, then because one person with tinted windows shot at a cop, now everyone with tinted windows are cop killers? I know that's an exageration however, cops get shot at through untinted windows too. Should I have to give up my gun for that now?

I do not want any LEO to be shot or shot at. That's why I would put my windows down and leave my hands on the wheel if I ever got pulled over. For the record, I am legal and am not trying to "look cool". I have a problem with people's right's being taken away for "security".
You also quoted Benjamin Franklin

Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security.



Are you under the impression driving a vehicle and how you modify it falls under the catagory of a right, if so, you sir are wrong. Driving is a privilege. It can be taken away from you at any time. If you have a problem with that, write your congressman.
07-19-2007 11:16 PM
Redrubicon2004
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Originally Posted by JCS05Rubi View Post
How many times, has a police officer approached a vehicle for a normal traffic violation, and been shot be someone in the car, and never saw it coming BECAUSE they had limo tint all the way around? There was a reason for that law, not just to bust peoples balls....

Well said, My dad is an officer and hates tinted windows!
07-19-2007 09:22 PM
Grandpa Jeeper "I truly have enjoyed this debate with you, Scoob. However, I feel we might end up going back and forth and eventually step on each others' toes, feelings and/or personal convictions. As such, I will cease from responding. We have probably hijacked this thread enough anyways. And since I have already invited a negative response from JCS05Rubi I should probably stop now as I do not want this to turn ugly.

If you feel like continuing further discussions, please feel free to PM me."


This kind of courtesy to each other in the face of heartfelt differences is exactly why I enjoy this site so much. Congratulations on keeping it courteous and civil. Now if we could just get the rest of society to act this way!
07-19-2007 09:21 PM
Grandpa Jeeper OOps
07-19-2007 07:16 PM
MoA wanna hear something funny?

here in indiana.. as long as you have truck plates.. im pretty sure there is no tint law..

i was workin for a contractor and he had his windows blacked out.. we never got in trouble and he even told me about the tint law

also if u swap doors out.. make sure your friend doesnt get a ticket too lol
07-19-2007 06:33 PM
mrbigjeep the doors would have to be the same color or they'd look pretty stupid.
07-19-2007 02:48 AM
jherrin215 I agree with toycop about pissing the judge and cop off by taking the doors off. I think you need to either take it off or borrow someone elses doors and swap them for a few days, that was a pretty good idea!!
07-19-2007 02:22 AM
toycop As an LEO myself, I can tell you that tint laws generally have zero to do with LEO shootings and/or officer safety. I don't know every state regulation, however, it really comes down to the operators ability to see through the tint safely. Most states that allow tint on side windows also allow windshield tint, but it's usually just the top four or six inches of the windshield that can be tinted. That fact alone should indicate that it's about being able to safely see what's around you.

I will add that most LEOs will have a little different approach to a vehicle that's fully tinted.

I don't think taking the doors off is going to help and it just might piss the judge and the officer off.
07-18-2007 10:22 PM
2much To get us back on topic, taking the doors off prolly won't enull the ticket, Pay the fine ( local law enforcement needs funds ) and leave tint, ( unless you feel morally obliged to have it taken off )
07-18-2007 10:22 PM
Jase
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Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
Its many more then 1, not that it matters. It's a law to protect the people who are willing to risk their life to protect you. Nobody rights are being taken away. You can tint your windows if you want. You just have to go by the rules set in place to do so. If you don't like the rules lobby your state senate to change them (good luck with that one) or move to a place where you don't have to go by those rules.
Nobody is saying that all people with tinted windows are cop killers, not even a good analogy. You seem to think that people's RIGHT to look cool should outweigh the officers safety. A better analogy would be you have the right to park your car in assigned street side places. If you park in the middle of road and they ticket your car, have your rights been taken away? No, you have the right to park legally all you want. Just like the tint, tint it all you want as long as its inside the parameters of the law. Or go even farther with the tint to you hearts content. But don't whine about your (or other peoples) rights being taken away because you broke the law and got a ticket.
I feel like we are beginning to beat a dead horse. You say I have go by the rules set in place.. I agree. I am a law abiding citizen. That doesnt mean I have to like every rule in place or shouldnt question rules in place. It is not a far difference from saying to protect LEOs, I cannot carry a weapon. Afterall, weapons are what hurts officers, not window tint. If the people dont agree with the rules (not a few politicians), they should have every opportunity to have it changed. But as your sarcasim points, its not likely going to happen. So now, I have the government telling me what is right and wrong for safety. That is why I posted the Franklin quote.. people are willing to give up their liberties to feel safe / free when they are only giving the government more control.

Being from ATL, I know tint laws are used for profiling... no matter what anyone tells me they are for. I know a couple LEOs.. and I know how the law is applied in my area.

"Cop killers" was a bad analogy; I apologize.

I think we are looking at this differently. From what I am gathering, you are saying excessive tint is illegal because it is a law to protect LEOs. I am questioning the basis of the law and the way it is used. I feel the protections are inadequate. LEOs cannot see into back seats in most states due to factory tint; LEOs cannot see into semis or lifted trucks/suvs. To me, this makes the law biased. LEOs should be afforded the right to see into every vehicle the same.. front seats, back seats, semis, trucks, etc. It should not be left open to interpretation and citizens should not be discriminated against based on their decision to drive a car vs a lifted truck.

I truly have enjoyed this debate with you, Scoob. However, I feel we might end up going back and forth and eventually step on each others' toes, feelings and/or personal convictions. As such, I will cease from responding. We have probably hijacked this thread enough anyways. And since I have already invited a negative response from JCS05Rubi I should probably stop now as I do not want this to turn ugly.

If you feel like continuing further discussions, please feel free to PM me.
07-18-2007 07:49 PM
Tiburon don't know of any bangers that roll in Wranglers... hey that kinda rhymes... 'beep beep, who gots the keys to my Jeep'
07-18-2007 06:51 PM
Jase
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Originally Posted by JCS05Rubi View Post
Scoob for president. To be serious, I see it both ways, although I lean towards the LEO side because I know it happends more frequently than you would think with SUVs and what not. Also, your lifted truck and semi analogy is BS. A, most states lifted trucks are illegal to an extent, and that limit is usually pretty low, and B, if I remember right, LEOs are trained to have the truck driver open his door or get out when stoping them..

To be honest, your not going to change the law, so get off the high horse. You arent driving a 16 year olds, wanna be rice boy civic. You dont need 5% flippin tint. 35 will do just fine at controling interior temps. Not to mention the saftey issue for EVERYONE on the road besides yourself, when you decide to drive a vehicle with 5% tint all the way around Do it legally, or stop whinning about the law giving you a ticket. Your only other option is to move, and I dont think there are any states without tint laws of some sort left...
Whoa there.. I'm not the OP of this or do I even have tinted windows on the Rubi. I'm not on a high horse of any kind or whining about anything. I've tried to not attack anyone for their opinion. how about doing the same, huh?
07-18-2007 05:38 PM
JCS05Rubi Scoob for president. To be serious, I see it both ways, although I lean towards the LEO side because I know it happends more frequently than you would think with SUVs and what not. Also, your lifted truck and semi analogy is BS. A, most states lifted trucks are illegal to an extent, and that limit is usually pretty low, and B, if I remember right, LEOs are trained to have the truck driver open his door or get out when stoping them..

To be honest, your not going to change the law, so get off the high horse. You arent driving a 16 year olds, wanna be rice boy civic. You dont need 5% flippin tint. 35 will do just fine at controling interior temps. Not to mention the saftey issue for EVERYONE on the road besides yourself, when you decide to drive a vehicle with 5% tint all the way around Do it legally, or stop whinning about the law giving you a ticket. Your only other option is to move, and I dont think there are any states without tint laws of some sort left...
07-18-2007 05:06 PM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by Jase View Post
So do you think EVERYONE should be punished for the actions of ONE person? If 1 is too many, then because one person with tinted windows shot at a cop, now everyone with tinted windows are cop killers? I know that's an exageration however, cops get shot at through untinted windows too. Should I have to give up my gun for that now?

I do not want any LEO to be shot or shot at. That's why I would put my windows down and leave my hands on the wheel if I ever got pulled over. For the record, I am legal and am not trying to "look cool". I have a problem with people's right's being taken away for "security".
Its many more then 1, not that it matters. It's a law to protect the people who are willing to risk their life to protect you. Nobody rights are being taken away. You can tint your windows if you want. You just have to go by the rules set in place to do so. If you don't like the rules lobby your state senate to change them (good luck with that one) or move to a place where you don't have to go by those rules.
Nobody is saying that all people with tinted windows are cop killers, not even a good analogy. You seem to think that people's RIGHT to look cool should outweigh the officers safety. A better analogy would be you have the right to park your car in assigned street side places. If you park in the middle of road and they ticket your car, have your rights been taken away? No, you have the right to park legally all you want. Just like the tint, tint it all you want as long as its inside the parameters of the law. Or go even farther with the tint to you hearts content. But don't whine about your (or other peoples) rights being taken away because you broke the law and got a ticket.
07-18-2007 01:12 PM
Jase
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Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
How many is acceptable to you? How many cops should be shot or shot at in trade for you getting to look cool? Personally I think 1 is to many.
So do you think EVERYONE should be punished for the actions of ONE person? If 1 is too many, then because one person with tinted windows shot at a cop, now everyone with tinted windows are cop killers? I know that's an exageration however, cops get shot at through untinted windows too. Should I have to give up my gun for that now?

I do not want any LEO to be shot or shot at. That's why I would put my windows down and leave my hands on the wheel if I ever got pulled over. For the record, I am legal and am not trying to "look cool". I have a problem with people's right's being taken away for "security".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Benjamin Franklin
Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security.
07-18-2007 12:09 PM
Odd is he Up here in CT, 35% is the lowest you can go.... I have 5% all around now... Not a ticket yet.....

Just borrow someone elses doors and make sure you dont see that trooper again.
07-18-2007 11:46 AM
SportsGal501 Pay the ticket
Remove the tint

Put a tint on that is legal,basically put a sheet of paper to the tint,if you can see it,than you're legal.

My windows are tinted but you can clearly see who's in the Jeep.
07-18-2007 11:39 AM
Scoob They did compromise. Your allowed to tint your window to an extent. Most states have determined just how much is a legal amount.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jase
I dunno, how many?
How many is acceptable to you? How many cops should be shot or shot at in trade for you getting to look cool? Personally I think 1 is to many.
07-18-2007 11:20 AM
George T.
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Originally Posted by Jase View Post
I appreciate your opinion, and you are right.. ultimately, I think it is for something else. IMO.. If it was all about their own safety we would have laws to put windows down and have hands on the wheel, but we dont.
very good point i guess
never thought of it like that
07-18-2007 11:07 AM
Jase
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Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
yes is it different, have to dark of tint is against the law. Having a semi is not :0

Its to protect the Troopers and Police, no matter what you think its for.
I meant that from the Troopers and Police officers perspective of being able to see inside of the vehicle on a stop. An officer cannot see inside of a semi or lifted truck any more than they could a vehicle with tinted windows. However it is not illegal to have a semi or lifted truck (to an extent).

They say it is for their safety.. and no one is going to repeal a law that is for the "safety" of our LEOs.
I even think there could be a compromise.. I think anyone that wants to tint their windows past a certain % MUST fully put their windows down when they get stopped.. even in the rain or snow. That would be the price you pay for having the tint. If someone didnt put their windows down, the officer would then approach more cautiously. But then again.. it wouldnt allow the officers to profile as much and give fix-it tickets if they dont find something else.

I appreciate your opinion, and you are right.. ultimately, I think it is for something else. IMO.. If it was all about their own safety we would have laws to put windows down and have hands on the wheel, but we dont.

We do fully agree here though:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
Operate inside the law and you wont get a ticket.
07-18-2007 10:38 AM
Scoob
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jase View Post
Having tinted windows is no different from them stopping a semi or lifted truck
yes is it different, have to dark of tint is against the law. Having a semi is not :0

Its to protect the Troopers and Police, no matter what you think its for.
07-18-2007 09:17 AM
Jase
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Originally Posted by JCS05Rubi View Post
How many times, has a police officer approached a vehicle for a normal traffic violation, and been shot be someone in the car, and never saw it coming BECAUSE they had limo tint all the way around? There was a reason for that law, not just to bust peoples balls....
I dunno, how many? Having tinted windows is no different from them stopping a semi or lifted truck.. they cant see in those either. Who is to say there isnt someone camping out in the back seat of a SUV with a shotgun? Backseat windows can generally be any tint you want. I think it is a reason to stop people so they can look for other things (profiling).
07-17-2007 09:00 PM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by daddyjeep View Post
Here's the question....how many of you tax dollars did they spend on said light meter just to bust your balls for having tinted windows?
Operate inside the law and you wont get a ticket.

Tint laws are to protect the troopers and police who need to see inside the vehicles for self preservation.

I say either fix it or keep paying tickets...your choice
07-17-2007 08:58 PM
JCS05Rubi
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Originally Posted by daddyjeep View Post
Here's the question....how many of you tax dollars did they spend on said light meter just to bust your balls for having tinted windows?
How many times, has a police officer approached a vehicle for a normal traffic violation, and been shot be someone in the car, and never saw it coming BECAUSE they had limo tint all the way around? There was a reason for that law, not just to bust peoples balls....
07-17-2007 08:57 PM
kg4kpg Borrow someone elses doors for the day. When the drop the ticket loan me the cash to pay for my 232.00 fine for illegal lane usage. I got in the turn lane too soon.
07-17-2007 08:48 PM
jrgfox Since jeeps don't have to have doors to meet D.O.T. I would think they would have to lower my ticket. Anyways, i guess i'll find out in a couple of weeks. Thanks for the replies.
07-17-2007 06:41 AM
daddyjeep Here's the question....how many of you tax dollars did they spend on said light meter just to bust your balls for having tinted windows?
07-17-2007 12:46 AM
1BLKJP I moved your thread to General Discussion since it really doesn't pertain to a TJ tech item.

And about your ticket. How much was it to get said tint put on your rig? Probably more than 100 bucks. Just pay the 185 and be more careful when you are around the cops.

Also what did he test it with? A light meter?
07-16-2007 11:47 PM
Chad P Why did you have your doors on anyway?

This is a lesson for everyone if you leave your doors on you will get a ticket
07-16-2007 11:44 PM
RIPBiker13 TX has some nice laws!
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