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08-07-2011 10:39 AM
Arch Stanton Out here in Arizona, there are plenty of sharp rocks, mesquite and ocotillo thorns that can easily puncture a tire. I remember years ago when we were out hunting and got a flat by running over an ocotillo branch in our 67 Wagoneer. Three-ply sidewalls provide added insurance against flats.


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Originally Posted by Scoob View Post
I agree, absolutely no tire is perfect for everybody. Some will sacrifice life for durability on the trail, others will want the best in the all around category but must pay a big weight penalty. Some will sacrifice everything for the "raw" look of a tire. All are right and all are wrong it all depends on your own personal rating system. But don't get mad (or tired) at people who bring up weak side walls just because its a tire you like that is rated high in your system. After all they are only bringing it up on tires that you know, have weak sidewalls.

It must not bother you much which is fine. But after wheeling down there (texas) I would think you would want a solid steel tire for some of those areas. Those Mesquite thorns are some bad @ss things.
08-07-2011 09:56 AM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by skeetNyoEYE View Post
Nice discussion, people. I might have cut my choices down a little bit. Wheeling would be nice if I had somewhere to go, but I can "make" a few trails in some forested areas, just don't tell anyone . I'll still be driving on pavement every day, so the decision is still kind of hard.

jeeprph, what is the tread life of your Toyos?
Come to Tuttle Creek with us next month. Or Join the run going to Estes Park Colorado if you would like.
TC ORV





JJoO has a run going down almost every month. Also feel free to come out to the Jeep Club meeting tonight. Should be at least 20 Jeeps there with all different kinds of tires on them.
Meeting is 6 pm at the Papillion City Park at 84'th and Lincoln in Papillion.
We are usually there at least an hour or 2 talking Jeeps and Just BS'ing
08-07-2011 09:55 AM
jeeprph Mine is also a daily driver. Do some wheeling on the weekends. My buddy has same tires with over 50,000 on them and still kicking. Little road noise but I love what there is and very aggressive tread. I like road noise kinda wish there was a little more. Great tires
08-07-2011 08:48 AM
whY402Jay Nice discussion, people. I might have cut my choices down a little bit. Wheeling would be nice if I had somewhere to go, but I can "make" a few trails in some forested areas, just don't tell anyone . I'll still be driving on pavement every day, so the decision is still kind of hard.

jeeprph, what is the tread life of your Toyos?
08-07-2011 08:32 AM
jeeprph just got new rims and tires. Love em. got toyo open country 35 " mud terrain. Sweet wheels.
08-06-2011 02:46 PM
KidRock171
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Originally Posted by Scoob

I agree, absolutely no tire is perfect for everybody. Some will sacrifice life for durability on the trail, others will want the best in the all around category but must pay a big weight penalty. Some will sacrifice everything for the "raw" look of a tire. All are right and all are wrong it all depends on your own personal rating system. But don't get mad (or tired) at people who bring up weak side walls just because its a tire you like that is rated high in your system. After all they are only bringing it up on tires that you know, have weak sidewalls.

It must not bother you much which is fine. But after wheeling down there (texas) I would think you would want a solid steel tire for some of those areas. Those Mesquite thorns are some bad @ss things.
Bad time to share my feelings muchos aplogieso. Everyone has they're own opinion. And prolly experience.
And yes we do what we can to avoid mesquite. Had a 4wheeler that got eaten by mesquite. But there isn't alot of it in the two places I live.
08-06-2011 02:43 PM
Owen_TJ I love my Falken Rocky Mountains as an overall tire...i do trails as well as daily driving. They do awesome in anything i've put them through on the trail and are quiet on the road.
08-06-2011 02:39 PM
GoldenSahara00 I have the duratracs and wheel all the time, mud, rocks, sand, dirt/woods... no issues. I know they have weak sideways supposedly but its not like you can tap them and they explode. Any tire can get cut open. It just takes bad luck. Some are thicker than others but you hit the wrong thing, it won't matter.
08-06-2011 02:30 PM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by KidRock171 View Post
No tire is perfect. I agree the sidewall of the km2 isn't as tough as some others...It's got awesome tread though!
I'm running out of ways to express what is in my head. Trouble with words today.
I agree, absolutely no tire is perfect for everybody. Some will sacrifice life for durability on the trail, others will want the best in the all around category but must pay a big weight penalty. Some will sacrifice everything for the "raw" look of a tire. All are right and all are wrong it all depends on your own personal rating system. But don't get mad (or tired) at people who bring up weak side walls just because its a tire you like that is rated high in your system. After all they are only bringing it up on tires that you know, have weak sidewalls.

It must not bother you much which is fine. But after wheeling down there (texas) I would think you would want a solid steel tire for some of those areas. Those Mesquite thorns are some bad @ss things.
08-06-2011 02:17 PM
KidRock171
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Originally Posted by Scoob

What good does a full replacement going to do for you on the trail?
That also really limits your tire and rim choices if you are only going to buy from discount tire. Don't get me wrong I would love to buy from DT but since they don't carry any brands of wheels or tires I am interested in buying their plan doesn't do me much good.
Its also not free, its over a 130 dollars a set for your "free" replacement plan.

Nothing personal but its like you pick your favorite tire of the month and all the sudden you don't want to hear anything bad about them. Doesn't matter if its true, you dismiss it as BS or second hand info. Unless its agrees with your view, then all the info is good.
No tire is perfect. I agree the sidewall of the km2 isn't as tough as some others...It's got awesome tread though!
I'm running out of ways to express what is in my head. Trouble with words today.
08-06-2011 01:21 PM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by KidRock171 View Post
I agree that chewing a sidewall is annoying. But I'm really getting tired of people actually complaining about it. Especially when discount tire offers full replacement no questions asked.
What good does a full replacement going to do for you on the trail?
That also really limits your tire and rim choices if you are only going to buy from discount tire. Don't get me wrong I would love to buy from DT but since they don't carry any brands of wheels or tires I am interested in buying their plan doesn't do me much good.
Its also not free, its over a 130 dollars a set for your "free" replacement plan.

Nothing personal but its like you pick your favorite tire of the month and all the sudden you don't want to hear anything bad about them. Doesn't matter if its true, you dismiss it as BS or second hand info. Unless its agrees with your view, then all the info is good.
08-06-2011 12:45 PM
KidRock171 I already told you I wasn't mad at you for your honest opinion.
I would like to point that you do sound rather mad right now. Which kinda proves my point.
08-06-2011 12:22 PM
Rogerg
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Originally Posted by KidRock171 View Post
Not talking you down. It's just the straw that broke the camels back. If your sidewall strength is your main concern your only tire choice is the mtr Kevlar. And that irks me. It's a justifiable calculation. But I don't think it's a make or break quality to choose from
All i can say is if i had known about its weakness i definitely would have never purchased it.I read all the rave reviews too for i am also a consumer just like everyone here and rely on feedbacks.

But i wheel my rigs and if your a mall crawler then sure this tire is for you but its not for me and that is why i would never buy this tire again.I gave my review about the tire to the OP and its up to him to pick which tire is best for him.

Now if i irked you for telling my honest review and tell other Jeepers about its weakeness get over it .I get annoyed with people who argue about stuff they have no experience with but i get over it.
08-06-2011 11:19 AM
KidRock171
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Originally Posted by Rogerg

Are you referring to me? I dont think its a complaint... people come here to get advice and opinions and thats the HONEST (unless you want to hear lies) opinion given about the product specially by people that actually own them.Take it for whats it worth and if you STILL want it then go buy it.

Seems to me like your commenting about KM2s and talk highly of it and you dont even own the tire.

And not everybody buys from discount tire.
Not talking you down. It's just the straw that broke the camels back. If your sidewall strength is your main concern your only tire choice is the mtr Kevlar. And that irks me. It's a justifiable calculation. But I don't think it's a make or break quality to choose from
08-06-2011 10:35 AM
Rogerg
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Originally Posted by KidRock171 View Post
I agree that chewing a sidewall is annoying. But I'm really getting tired of people actually complaining about it. Especially when discount tire offers full replacement no questions asked.
Are you referring to me? I dont think its a complaint... people come here to get advice and opinions and thats the HONEST (unless you want to hear lies) opinion given about the product specially by people that actually own them.Take it for whats it worth and if you STILL want it then go buy it.

Seems to me like your commenting about KM2s and talk highly of it and you dont even own the tire.

And not everybody buys from discount tire.
08-06-2011 10:00 AM
KidRock171 I agree that chewing a sidewall is annoying. But I'm really getting tired of people actually complaining about it. Especially when discount tire offers full replacement no questions asked.
08-06-2011 09:46 AM
Rogerg
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Originally Posted by 01bud View Post
just saying tred life for those of us that drive alot on the street (every day driver)
Gotcha..i actually prefer the KM2s ride over the MTR i just wish the sidewalls are alittle bit more cut resistant.
08-06-2011 09:02 AM
01bud just saying tred life for those of us that drive alot on the street (every day driver)
08-06-2011 07:33 AM
Rogerg
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Originally Posted by 01bud View Post
I just put bfg km2's on mine.I was looking at Cooper stt,Goodyear mt/r .but for the money I got km2.just because they are harder rubber for more milage.
Mtr's are softer rubber,faster wear
MTR is softer than KM2 ..are we talking about the Kevlars? I have both of those tires and when aired down to 12 psi the MTRs still look like it has 30 psi on them while the KM2 looks almost flat.
08-06-2011 12:24 AM
KidRock171 I'll believe you this time... But next time I'm calling the Internet police for your witchcraft!
08-06-2011 12:22 AM
01bud Look on the new tires thread. That's the pics
08-06-2011 12:18 AM
KidRock171
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Originally Posted by 01bud
I just put bfg km2's on mine.I was looking at Cooper stt,Goodyear mt/r .but for the money I got km2.just because they are harder rubber for more milage.
Mtr's are softer rubber,faster wear
Pics or it didn't happen.
08-06-2011 12:11 AM
01bud I just put bfg km2's on mine.I was looking at Cooper stt,Goodyear mt/r .but for the money I got km2.just because they are harder rubber for more milage.
Mtr's are softer rubber,faster wear
08-05-2011 09:57 AM
97Sahara1325
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Originally Posted by Scoob

There is not many choices for us in this part of the country (I live in Council Bluffs) but there is a couple options.
Just Jeeps of Omaha is as the name implies a Jeep only club with about 75 members. They have a monthly wheeling trip to Tuttle Creek ORV park. And plan other events as well. Like a sept. run to Estes park Colorado, Wisner Tractor pulls and many other things.

There is Nebraska 4X4 which is open to all 4 wheel drive vehicles. They are based in Lincoln and are a great group of guys. I am not a member there so I don't know what all they do, but I feel sure they have wheeling events tuttle and many other places.
Thanks for the info, I will look them both up. I'm glad that there is some hope!
08-05-2011 06:34 AM
Scoob
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Originally Posted by 97Sahara1325 View Post
I also live in Nebraska and it's a pain trying to find somewhere to go wheeling here, have you found anywhere that's more exiting than a flat gravel road?
There is not many choices for us in this part of the country (I live in Council Bluffs) but there is a couple options.
Just Jeeps of Omaha is as the name implies a Jeep only club with about 75 members. They have a monthly wheeling trip to Tuttle Creek ORV park. And plan other events as well. Like a sept. run to Estes park Colorado, Wisner Tractor pulls and many other things.

There is Nebraska 4X4 which is open to all 4 wheel drive vehicles. They are based in Lincoln and are a great group of guys. I am not a member there so I don't know what all they do, but I feel sure they have wheeling events tuttle and many other places.
08-05-2011 06:08 AM
kfdjason7620 I run the kumho road venture at, perfect tread blend for me, and there's a Kelly tire I am going to look into next
08-05-2011 06:05 AM
Scoob If you plan on wheeling it at all. Stay away from any tire that has a very thin 2 ply sidewall, like the duratrac. If its a street Jeep only, then the duratrac would be the best choice of those.
If you are going to wheel it go with either the STT or the MTZ. Both will do fine in the snow. And very good off road.

I am about to go to my third set of MTZ's, in my opinion its the best all around tire there is.
08-05-2011 05:10 AM
Irongrave
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Originally Posted by KidRock171 View Post
I wouldn't say soft... Nothing like the mt/r 's though.
Then again no first hand experience.

If your rock crawling you want a softer tire. get a little heat in it then they stick.

The MT-Rs are the same as any other tire and I've watched more then a handful get sliced out wheeling.


one more tire to throw into the mix the Pitbull rockers comes in a 33x12.5 15 radial and its the best trail tire I've ever owned. sure its not a sticky as a Red Label crawler or Creepy Crawler but they hook up great on the rocks and mud
08-05-2011 12:19 AM
whY402Jay What is the tread life for KM2, Cooper STT, and MTZ if I was mostly on the roads?

And how do they compare to Duratracs?
08-04-2011 10:26 PM
KidRock171
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Originally Posted by Rogerg
Km2s have very soft sidewalls.I sliced mine several times offroad and finally replaced 2 of them for its beyond repair.

Out of all the ones you listed i would recommend the MTZs.I used to run those and they are tough,fairly quiet on the road until you start to wear them out but thats what mud tires are all about.
I wouldn't say soft... Nothing like the mt/r 's though.
Then again no first hand experience.
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