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10-07-2011 11:57 PM
BD Bass good thread
09-18-2011 01:34 PM
fourty4magjr
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Originally Posted by Mortalis5509 View Post
It is possible. Jeep people do not have a perfect explination what causes death wobble.
Haha ok cool! And I wouldn't quite call it death wobble any more. Maybe a minor wobble not as serious as it was before. And thanks I'll let you guys know if the bushings fix it.
09-17-2011 06:08 PM
Mortalis5509 It is possible. Jeep people do not have a perfect explination what causes death wobble.
09-17-2011 06:01 PM
fourty4magjr the controll arm bushings might need replaced would that cause the wobble and shimmy or whatever you want to call it at around 57-70+ mph? because it doesnt seem to go away after i pass 55 which is where it originaly started. now it laste to 70+ mph havnt been any faster than that
09-17-2011 05:22 PM
Mortalis5509 Check all of the rubber bushings in the front and make sure everything is tight.

Jeep engineers have taken jeeps on break test and after testing them they had to replace most of the rubber bushings in the front. They don't last. If your stablizer looks like that then I can only immagine how your bushings probably look.

Tires weight can be a problem along with the tires themselves.
09-17-2011 04:19 PM
fourty4magjr well i checked ball joints and u jointa and all good. checked rims and they are not bent the onlything that i can think of is maybe the control arm bushings like someone had said is there anything else i could check?
09-14-2011 07:09 AM
RCB You could dynamically balance your tires with bb's to see if balance is you problem. You will still get wobble but at low speed. If you get it up to 60 and you have no wobble then it is your tire/wheel balance. If not then its something. Plenty of websites describe dynamically balancing tires with bb's. I wouldn't leave them in there, but they will let you know if you tires are the issue.
09-14-2011 01:21 AM
Minn_wild1 Mine was about $60.00 for all 5 tires. They gave me a print out of where all 5 tires were (balance wise) after the road force balance. They can't get them perfect, but it definately cured my issues.
09-13-2011 10:28 PM
fourty4magjr
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Originally Posted by Neil F. View Post
x2 on this. Wobbling AND NOT DW around 40-50 is faily common and usually points to a wheel/tire balance issue. I had the problem, and had the tires rebalanced. It got better but never quite went away. It slowly got worse then I got it Road Forced balanced. Like above they put on lots of weights (hammered on on the lip) in a variety of places and it cured the issue. The weights are ugly but they did the job. Google road force balance and the Hunter web site has a machine locator for your area. I called around and found a place that did it for 15 a tire (and they did the spare for free)
I will check into that thanks guys
09-13-2011 12:31 PM
Neil F.
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Originally Posted by Minn_wild1 View Post
I just had new 33" BFG A/t's put on my TJ. I had a wobble from 50 - 60 MPH. Had them rebalanced at the same place. No difference. Took them to a tire shop that had a Road Force Balance Machine. Wobble gone. They added a lot of weights in different places. Search for a tire shop that does road force balancing.
x2 on this. Wobbling AND NOT DW around 40-50 is faily common and usually points to a wheel/tire balance issue. I had the problem, and had the tires rebalanced. It got better but never quite went away. It slowly got worse then I got it Road Forced balanced. Like above they put on lots of weights (hammered on on the lip) in a variety of places and it cured the issue. The weights are ugly but they did the job. Google road force balance and the Hunter web site has a machine locator for your area. I called around and found a place that did it for 15 a tire (and they did the spare for free)
09-13-2011 12:16 PM
fourty4magjr
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Originally Posted by Jerry Bransford View Post
A bad steering stabilizer is never the cause of any problem. If replacing a steering stabilizer ever eliminates the symptoms you're having, all it has done is masked the symptom by using muscle to suppress the symptoms... but the underlying root cause of the problem is still there. Like a band-aid does not cure a skin cancer, a steering stabilizer is never the cure for anything... it serves to mask/cover up the problem sometimes, but the problem will return because it wasn't cured.

Shaking/shimmying is nearly always caused by a tire or wheel problem... out of balance tire or a bent wheel. Even recently balanced tires are no guarantee the tires are in balance. I have had to take my 35" tires back to the tire shop 3 times in a day before they finally got the balance perfect. And the bigger the tire, the more perfect the tire balance must be.

If the shimmy is bad, which again is typically caused by a bad tire or wheel, other loose parts like ball joints or unit-bearing hubs can make the problem even worse.

Such a problem is normally a combination of things... bad tire balance and loose ball joints or a loose track bar being a very common combination of bad parts.
I know I was just desperate and i still am lol
Need to get it all figured out.
09-12-2011 11:16 PM
sonofabeach I've had the death wabble twice. The first time in 05 the dealership (who had never even heard of this problem) replaced the stabilizer, the shocks and finally the trac bar.
That seemed to fix it for a few years but about a year ago I could feel it coming back again.
A few months back I figured it was the trac bar so I bought one at Advance Discount Auto for about 60 bucks.
I put it on in minutes but it did not help.
My tires were pretty bald so I recently got new tires and an alignment and that seems to have fixed it
(fingers crossed).
09-12-2011 11:01 PM
Minn_wild1 I just had new 33" BFG A/t's put on my TJ. I had a wobble from 50 - 60 MPH. Had them rebalanced at the same place. No difference. Took them to a tire shop that had a Road Force Balance Machine. Wobble gone. They added a lot of weights in different places. Search for a tire shop that does road force balancing.
09-12-2011 11:01 PM
Jerry Bransford A bad steering stabilizer is never the cause of any problem. If replacing a steering stabilizer ever eliminates the symptoms you're having, all it has done is masked the symptom by using muscle to suppress the symptoms... but the underlying root cause of the problem is still there. Like a band-aid does not cure a skin cancer, a steering stabilizer is never the cure for anything... it serves to mask/cover up the problem sometimes, but the problem will return because it wasn't cured.

Shaking/shimmying is nearly always caused by a tire or wheel problem... out of balance tire or a bent wheel. Even recently balanced tires are no guarantee the tires are in balance. I have had to take my 35" tires back to the tire shop 3 times in a day before they finally got the balance perfect. And the bigger the tire, the more perfect the tire balance must be.

If the shimmy is bad, which again is typically caused by a bad tire or wheel, other loose parts like ball joints or unit-bearing hubs can make the problem even worse.

Such a problem is normally a combination of things... bad tire balance and loose ball joints or a loose track bar being a very common combination of bad parts.
09-12-2011 10:56 PM
fourty4magjr I'll keep you guys posted! And thanks to everyone who has tried to help so far! I'm still open for more advice so keep it coming just need this problem fixed so I don't have to worry about breaking the jeep going to school on the interstate.
09-12-2011 10:52 PM
fourty4magjr
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Originally Posted by spyjeep0520 View Post
How old are these tires if the are 3+years old they might be just hard and if the vehical sat for some time they might have gotten outta round
The tires are no where near 3 years old lol at most they are 1 year and that's at the verrrry very most
09-12-2011 10:50 PM
fourty4magjr
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Originally Posted by Wardj View Post
I would be willing to bet your motor mounts are bad.
I actually checked the motor mounts before I bought it and they are fine and checked them again the other day in hopes to find out what is causing this wobble of mine and dont really think the motor mounts would cause the wobble I have. But if you can give me some hints on what I should check for with them I can definatly check them again to be extra positive it's not them
09-12-2011 08:12 PM
Wardj I would be willing to bet your motor mounts are bad.
09-12-2011 08:03 PM
spyjeep0520 How old are these tires if the are 3+years old they might be just hard and if the vehical sat for some time they might have gotten outta round
09-12-2011 06:40 PM
fourty4magjr
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Originally Posted by not4hire View Post
Also look at the bushings on the upper and lower control arms..If they cracked or worn out, that can cause it..

Check the bolt on the track bar at the axle end it should be torqued to 50lbs..These come lose..
awesome thanks will check on that! where can i get new bushings because im pretty sure they are cracked if i can remember right.
09-12-2011 06:23 PM
not4hire Also look at the bushings on the upper and lower control arms..If they cracked or worn out, that can cause it..

Check the bolt on the track bar at the axle end it should be torqued to 50lbs..These come lose..
09-12-2011 04:44 PM
fourty4magjr gonna have to check ball joints and wheel bearings
09-12-2011 04:43 PM
fourty4magjr
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Originally Posted by RCB View Post
Ball joints, fine? Wheel bearings ok?

I would agree with your thought on having the wheels trued, or at least check if they are.

How old are your tires? Any cupping that you can see?

Does the rubber boot on the trackbar move though or just from the angle changing?

Beyond the above, the only other things I would look for would be a driveshaft that's dropped a balance weight (or knocked off) or excessively worn u-joints. Worn to the point of dropping needle bearings. Maybe even check the front shocks.
tires nothing out of the ordinary except the front are wearing more than the back but other than that they are even and only moves from angle changes.
09-12-2011 04:40 PM
rubi josh If you have A/T's it might be your tires.I had terrible DW so I replaced my tires and it seemed to cure my DW problem. Drove with the new tires for about a month and a half and never even experienced any vicrations in the front end.I have since then replaced the suspenionm which gave me 100% confidence in my jeep. Driving with a DW problem is a terrible thing because you are always on edge and never know when your gonna get that terrible shake.
09-12-2011 04:26 PM
RCB Ball joints, fine? Wheel bearings ok?

I would agree with your thought on having the wheels trued, or at least check if they are.

How old are your tires? Any cupping that you can see?

Does the rubber boot on the trackbar move though or just from the angle changing?

Beyond the above, the only other things I would look for would be a driveshaft that's dropped a balance weight (or knocked off) or excessively worn u-joints. Worn to the point of dropping needle bearings. Maybe even check the front shocks.
09-12-2011 04:08 PM
fourty4magjr ok i checked it and it doesnt look like theres anyplay in it. the only play i seen was in the rubber blader for graese smushes up a bit and i really cant tell i f the mounts moving or not
09-12-2011 03:57 PM
fourty4magjr oh and how would i go about fixing it if it is the mount? and whats the cost to fixing it?
09-12-2011 03:55 PM
fourty4magjr
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Originally Posted by RCB View Post
Where the trackbar mounts to the frame is known for wear. It's not easy to check it by hand. Have the jeep on the ground and someone inside turn the wheel lock to lock and watch the mount.

I had checked mine a dozen times when I had a wobble. Even had replaced the track bar. In actuality it was the mount directly. Had rounded out the mount by about a quarter inch. Nice and snug if you grabbed it by hand. But had my wife sit inside and turn it from lock to lock and my jaw dropped at the play. Replaced it... wobble gone.

Not sure if it's your problem, but thought I might offer it up, lest you search and search like I did.
right now ill check anything to figure this dang wobble out lol! ill check that right now. thanks!
09-12-2011 03:43 PM
RCB Where the trackbar mounts to the frame is known for wear. It's not easy to check it by hand. Have the jeep on the ground and someone inside turn the wheel lock to lock and watch the mount.

I had checked mine a dozen times when I had a wobble. Even had replaced the track bar. In actuality it was the mount directly. Had rounded out the mount by about a quarter inch. Nice and snug if you grabbed it by hand. But had my wife sit inside and turn it from lock to lock and my jaw dropped at the play. Replaced it... wobble gone.

Not sure if it's your problem, but thought I might offer it up, lest you search and search like I did.
09-12-2011 03:42 PM
fourty4magjr check and check they are bothe good anything else i should check?
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