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Today 07:24 PM
Lakeman1
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post
A Prius could be more your speed. You could even put a Harley engine in it if you really miss the sound.

Again, you just don't get it.
Today 01:08 PM
FiteClub
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Originally Posted by Rock Kicker View Post
I got my first Jeep, an 83 modded CJ in 1992. My lesson from fellow Jeepers, the YJ is not a real Jeep. The only Jeep with real capability and square headlights is the XJ (Cherokee for you non-Jeep linguists, and no, the Grand Cherokee doesn't count). I got my 91 YJ in 97, modded it. My lesson from fellow Jeepers, the TJ is not a real Jeep. The only capable Jeep with round headlights is the CJ. CJ owners, for the most part, hated both newcomers. Sometime in the early 2000s, the YJ finally got its respect as a trail worthy Jeep, despite its misshaped headlights! Pretty sure the TJ actually earned more respect before the YJ. That being said, I love the 4 door JKU. I actually plan to buy one. The problem with, what seems to be the majority of JKU owners, is that they bought a family SUV (in their minds), not a Jeep, or the lifestyle, and many didn't buy it for the history, camaraderie, or trail capability. They bought it because it was cooler than their other option...like a frikkin Kia Sorrento. Salesmen get younger and take a job selling vehicles that sell themselves without learning a thing about them so they don't even know about the wave. At the end of the day, they climb into their Toyotas and head home. Put it on the cover and throughout the owners manuals in side notes...problem solved. Or even print "Don't forget the Jeep wave!!!" On key chains that come with new keys!
Yeah, this point actually carries across many products out there where a company updates the product, bringing in hordes of new users/enthusiasts but invites derision among the vocal previous consumers for the new product not being authentic or true to its roots.

Itís a tough point for corporations to balance but when it comes down to pleasing their original fan base or pissing them off, the company is always going to pick the option that brings in more money. Heck, many of those who were scornful end up eventually being converts anyway.
Today 12:45 PM
FiteClub
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Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
You all don't subscribe to that, do ya? That 4 doors are not real Jeeps? Say it ain't so.

No way! I considered a JKU myself for a fleeting moment but being an old school CJ guy back in the day, I was truly drawn to the LJ instead (and love it!). I think a lot of people are like me in that are just conditioned that a seemingly majority of JKU drivers, especially stock machines, donít participate, either out of not knowing about Jeep Wave or just donít care to be involved because they don't feel an affinity for the culture.

It would be great to see more owners like you away this line of thinking!
Today 08:15 AM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by Lakeman1 View Post
Again
A Prius could be more your speed. You could even put a Harley engine in it if you really miss the sound.
Yesterday 11:40 PM
Rock Kicker
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Originally Posted by Duke-TJ View Post
If I see any Wrangler, I wave. For those who are told their JKU "isn't a real Jeep", just wait until the next Wrangler model comes out! Then YOU will have a real Jeep, and the newer one won't be real!
= vicious cycle. Like I said we CJ owners said it about YJ's. Then we YJ owners said it about TJs. Now we TJ owners are saying it about JKU's.
What we don't say, some of us that is, is that we are currently shopping around for a good JKU! Either way, who cares what you drive. If it's a Jeep and the top comes off...wave. (And wave to the modded XJ's)
Yesterday 11:35 PM
Rock Kicker
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Originally Posted by Lakeman1 View Post
Again
Hahahahaaaa...classic.
Yesterday 09:17 PM
Duke-TJ If I see any Wrangler, I wave.

For those who are told their JKU "isn't a real Jeep", just wait until the next Wrangler model comes out! Then YOU will have a real Jeep, and the newer one won't be real!

Yesterday 08:55 PM
Lakeman1
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post
Whatever. I just don't find it surprising that people with bikes don't wave to people with trikes.

Ball hard with a sidecar instead.
Again
Yesterday 07:52 PM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by Lakeman1 View Post
Yep, like I said in my previous post, "jerk"!
Whatever. I just don't find it surprising that people with bikes don't wave to people with trikes.

Ball hard with a sidecar instead.
Yesterday 07:32 PM
Kcymer Didn't believe in this whole waving to other wrangler drivers until someone waved to me and since then I wave at most wranglers
Yesterday 07:30 PM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by Rock Kicker View Post
At what point did this go from Wave discussion to debate on marketing? Yes, it will get more popular, and stay that way as it phases older Jeeps out, much like the TJ flooding the market from 97-06. I don't see where u think I'm attacking the JKU? 3rd time I'll state this, I plan on buying one! Jeezuz!

By the way, 80% of all statistics are made up. Just pointing out the fact.
I didn't say you were attacking them, you just happen to be reading my comment in a way other than intended. It was relevant because basically everyone has noted that JKU owners wave less, which is exactly what I've noticed as well, in addition to seeing more and more JKUs vs 2 doors. I was merely trying to show how prevalent the JKU has become (which the production numbers support).
Yesterday 07:27 PM
Fun sized
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Originally Posted by roberthleeii View Post
Oh Snap!!! Well put! A lot of JKUs are bout as SUVs not Jeeps. It really is a shame. Did the YJs have round taillights?? I did not think that any jeeps ever came with round taillights but I have not paid that much attention to the rear lights.
Nope the PO put in round LEDs
Yesterday 07:04 PM
Lakeman1
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post
Mmm Ultra Glide. So don't get an 800+ pound bike?



A loaded JKU Rubicon does a lot more than a tricycle to justify its price. A trike isn't like riding a bike at all, I just don't see the point. It's more like waving at one of the new Cherokees.
Yep, like I said in my previous post, "jerk"!
Yesterday 06:46 PM
laollis Sept. I drove to Seattle area, from Idaho. No waves in Idaho. Lots of Jeep waves (about 22 outta 25) around the northern towns, Everett, Snohomish, Marysville.
Oct. I drove to Reno. 3 waves outta 17 Jeeps. 30 yr olds with auto 4drs and 'baby on board' stickers. ugh!
Yesterday 06:20 PM
thedawgshow A rather older man in an orange JK gave a hardy wave to us in our old TJ. I must say, that when I do see a wrangler around our little town and the country side around it, they do tend to give waves, and my boys love to wave at them!!!!
Yesterday 06:10 PM
JKCopper I just got a JKU and did not believe the wave phenomena, but it exists! At first I would just return one if I saw the salute, but now I i intiate...if it's a Wrangler. I also have a Porsche and there is a wave culture there as well, but not as consistent.
Yesterday 05:53 PM
Cordite Very sorry. I did not mean to hijack the thread with my question about the JKU. although, it WAS brought on by the lack of responses to my wave.

Anyhow, I'm still wavin' and we went off trail in the backwoods today and did fine. I'm going to use it on and off road as well as being my DD because, well, it's the only transportation I got these days.

Thanks for the straight info about whether this JKU is a real Jeep.

Get it? The wavy emoticon, lol.
Yesterday 04:33 PM
Rock Kicker
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Originally Posted by roberthleeii View Post
Well put! A lot of JKUs are bout as SUVs not Jeeps. It really is a shame.
Dude, wait till the 2018 model comes out. Supposed to be super fuel efficient (gotta stay a contender in the market) while still maintaining current off-road capability. If gas prices skyrocket again we may all be waving goodbye to the older Jeeps, regardless of Wrangler model identifier. I'd love a Wrangler with our capability that I didn't have to fill up every few days as my daily trip includes 45 miles of mountainous roads, 9 waves, 1 arm and 1 leg in fuel consumption. ✌️
Yesterday 04:26 PM
Rock Kicker
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post
Around 1.5mil in production CJ/YJ/TJ. Around .5mil in production JK. Around .9mil in production JKU. Many of the CJ/YJ/TJ are dead. Many more of the CJ/YJ/TJ/JK are not DD. In contrast, I'd venture to guess that nearly every JKU is a DD. They are certainly more popular within the current market and will stay that way. Accordingly, it's only a matter of time, and not long, before the majority of Jeeps on the road on a daily basis are JKUs. I've see even numbers already in many areas and JKUs make up less than 1/2 of total units produced. All hail the JKU.
At what point did this go from Wave discussion to debate on marketing? Yes, it will get more popular, and stay that way as it phases older Jeeps out, much like the TJ flooding the market from 97-06. I don't see where u think I'm attacking the JKU? 3rd time I'll state this, I plan on buying one! Jeezuz!

By the way, 80% of all statistics are made up. Just pointing out the fact.

Anyways, I was headed out to a friend's property to get dirty on his trails when we all stopped for gas. The jeep behind me kept throwing his hand up. I was like, "Dude, you're riding with us, we are at a gas station, no need to wave."

His reply, "Naw man, you're axle is leaking!"

I get down for a look and sure as $h!t, driver's rear brake housing is covered in fluid seeping out of the axle sleeve. Facepalm!!!

Jeep waved g'bye to the group as they headed out and then brought her back to the house.
Yesterday 04:01 PM
roberthleeii
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Originally Posted by Lakeman1 View Post
I do not have a Tri glide, I have a Ultra Glide conversion, won't buy it for $33K. If you want to play you pay, learned this long ago. I am 71 with a knee replacement and can not hold up an 800+ Pound bike anymore I was probably riding before you had a drivers license. Most "bikers"don't care what you ride as long as you ride. Remind me not to wave to you if we should see each other.
Oh Snap!!!

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Originally Posted by Rock Kicker View Post
Agree and disagree...the JKU is nowhere near as popular as the 2 door. This is part of the problem. After nearly 8 years the JKU is still the YJ of its time...I got my first Jeep, an 83 modded CJ in 1992. My lesson from fellow Jeepers, the YJ is not a real Jeep. The only Jeep with real capability and square headlights is the XJ (Cherokee for you non-Jeep linguists, and no, the Grand Cherokee doesn't count). I got my 91 YJ in 97, modded it. My lesson from fellow Jeepers, the TJ is not a real Jeep. The only capable Jeep with round headlights is the CJ. CJ owners, for the most part, hated both newcomers. Sometime in the early 2000s, the YJ finally got its respect as a trail worthy Jeep, despite its misshaped headlights! Pretty sure the TJ actually earned more respect before the YJ. That being said, I love the 4 door JKU. I actually plan to buy one. The problem with, what seems to be the majority of JKU owners, is that they bought a family SUV (in their minds), not a Jeep, or the lifestyle, and many didn't buy it for the history, camaraderie, or trail capability. They bought it because it was cooler than their other option...like a frikkin Kia Sorrento. Salesmen get younger and take a job selling vehicles that sell themselves without learning a thing about them so they don't even know about the wave. At the end of the day, they climb into their Toyotas and head home. Put it on the cover and throughout the owners manuals in side notes...problem solved. Or even print "Don't forget the Jeep wave!!!" On key chains that come with new keys!
Well put! A lot of JKUs are bout as SUVs not Jeeps. It really is a shame.

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Originally Posted by Fun sized View Post
To some it is so...not me though,I have one of those "not real jeep" YJs with both rectangular headlight and round taillights
Did the YJs have round taillights?? I did not think that any jeeps ever came with round taillights but I have not paid that much attention to the rear lights.
Yesterday 12:07 PM
Fun sized
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Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
A tad confused, here. I traded in a Ford Flex and bought a bare bones JKU to play with. No power windows or locks, cheap radio, blah, blah, blah. ( several mods are in progress). Anyhow, after reading most of these posts, I started to do this wave. I have to keep the window rolled down but that's no biggie. I get nothing but stares. No returns. Then a few days ago at a light, I wave at a woman in another JKU. She waves back. We headed into the same place and parked next to each other. We started talking about this wave thing and she said she thinks I don't get waves because it's a JKU and therefore we don't have real Jeeps. At least that's what she was told. I bought a 4 door because I'm a 67 year old dude with grandkids and a wife that likes to play in the woods (that sounds freaky, but you get my point). You all don't subscribe to that, do ya? That 4 doors are not real Jeeps? Say it ain't so.
To some it is so...not me though,I have one of those "not real jeep" YJs with both rectangular headlight and round taillights
Yesterday 12:03 PM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by Rock Kicker View Post
60% of sales does not make it the most popular Jeep. It makes it the most popular selling new model Jeep. This is not taking into consideration used car sales, private sales, restorations, etc. I'm not knocking the JKU at all. As I stated, I want one myself. This is mostly due to shear numbers of 2 door models out there. I should mention, since my YJ days, I've also owned a 97 TJ (caught hell from Jeep friends after that purchase) and currently own a 03 Rubi and 2000 heavily modded XJ that is currently dwindling into my soccer dad rig. Side window shades, stroller (in place of my trail toolbox), car seat base...

Around 1.5mil in production CJ/YJ/TJ.

Around .5mil in production JK.

Around .9mil in production JKU.

Many of the CJ/YJ/TJ are dead. Many more of the CJ/YJ/TJ/JK are not DD.

In contrast, I'd venture to guess that nearly every JKU is a DD. They are certainly more popular within the current market and will stay that way. Accordingly, it's only a matter of time, and not long, before the majority of Jeeps on the road on a daily basis are JKUs. I've see even numbers already in many areas and JKUs make up less than 1/2 of total units produced.

All hail the JKU.
Yesterday 11:30 AM
Rock Kicker
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post
Uhhh, the JKU accounts for about 60% of sales.
60% of sales does not make it the most popular Jeep. It makes it the most popular selling new model Jeep. This is not taking into consideration used car sales, private sales, restorations, etc. I'm not knocking the JKU at all. As I stated, I want one myself. This is mostly due to shear numbers of 2 door models out there. I should mention, since my YJ days, I've also owned a 97 TJ (caught hell from Jeep friends after that purchase) and currently own a 03 Rubi and 2000 heavily modded XJ that is currently dwindling into my soccer dad rig. Side window shades, stroller (in place of my trail toolbox), car seat base...
Yesterday 11:17 AM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by Rock Kicker View Post
Agree and disagree...the JKU is nowhere near as popular as the 2 door.
Uhhh, the JKU accounts for about 60% of sales.
Yesterday 11:05 AM
Rock Kicker
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Originally Posted by roberthleeii View Post
But the real problem is that the JKU is popular with a larger group of people and the Jeep wave is not known, understood, or not important to them, so they don't wave to 2 door Jeepers and they get tired of waving with out getting it in return.

But I totally love the rectangular headlights on the YJs so a lot of people say that makes me not a real Jeeper either.
Agree and disagree...the JKU is nowhere near as popular as the 2 door. This is part of the problem. After nearly 8 years the JKU is still the YJ of its time...I got my first Jeep, an 83 modded CJ in 1992. My lesson from fellow Jeepers, the YJ is not a real Jeep. The only Jeep with real capability and square headlights is the XJ (Cherokee for you non-Jeep linguists, and no, the Grand Cherokee doesn't count). I got my 91 YJ in 97, modded it. My lesson from fellow Jeepers, the TJ is not a real Jeep. The only capable Jeep with round headlights is the CJ. CJ owners, for the most part, hated both newcomers. Sometime in the early 2000s, the YJ finally got its respect as a trail worthy Jeep, despite its misshaped headlights! Pretty sure the TJ actually earned more respect before the YJ. That being said, I love the 4 door JKU. I actually plan to buy one. The problem with, what seems to be the majority of JKU owners, is that they bought a family SUV (in their minds), not a Jeep, or the lifestyle, and many didn't buy it for the history, camaraderie, or trail capability. They bought it because it was cooler than their other option...like a frikkin Kia Sorrento. Salesmen get younger and take a job selling vehicles that sell themselves without learning a thing about them so they don't even know about the wave. At the end of the day, they climb into their Toyotas and head home. Put it on the cover and throughout the owners manuals in side notes...problem solved. Or even print "Don't forget the Jeep wave!!!" On key chains that come with new keys!
Yesterday 10:22 AM
Rock Kicker
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Originally Posted by Lakeman1 View Post
Most "bikers"don't care what you ride as long as you ride. Remind me not to wave to you if we should see each other.
When on my Harley, I wave at all bikes, trikes, and even on-road dirt bike riders and people I know to be fair-weather weekend riders! Yes, real bikers don't care what you're on as long as you're on it. Snobs on stock bikes that call themselves bikers (no, changing your pipes and adding a hi-flow air cleaner/upgrading to a Stage 1 SE kit doesn't mean your bike has custom work done to it...it's still stock).

Back-tracking...Can-Am owners do not require a wave. They require license revocation. Especially when they pull into a popular roadside biker bar that started out as a popular trailside saloon acting like they own the place
Yesterday 09:58 AM
Kimi725
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Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
A tad confused, here. I traded in a Ford Flex and bought a bare bones JKU to play with. No power windows or locks, cheap radio, blah, blah, blah. ( several mods are in progress). Anyhow, after reading most of these posts, I started to do this wave. I have to keep the window rolled down but that's no biggie. I get nothing but stares. No returns. Then a few days ago at a light, I wave at a woman in another JKU. She waves back. We headed into the same place and parked next to each other. We started talking about this wave thing and she said she thinks I don't get waves because it's a JKU and therefore we don't have real Jeeps. At least that's what she was told. I bought a 4 door because I'm a 67 year old dude with grandkids and a wife that likes to play in the woods (that sounds freaky, but you get my point).

You all don't subscribe to that, do ya? That 4 doors are not real Jeeps? Say it ain't so.
No. I don't.

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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post

Sorry, but you can't be a soccer mom in a 2 dr.
Hey hey. Watch it. LoL. I have a two door. And i am a soccer mom of sorts. Nooo maybe not.
Yesterday 09:31 AM
n00g7
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Originally Posted by Lakeman1 View Post
I do not have a Tri glide, I have a Ultra Glide conversion, won't buy it for $33K. If you want to play you pay, learned this long ago. I am 71 with a knee replacement and can not hold up an 800+ Pound bike anymore I was probably riding before you had a drivers license. Most "bikers"don't care what you ride as long as you ride. Remind me not to wave to you if we should see each other.
Mmm Ultra Glide. So don't get an 800+ pound bike?

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Originally Posted by jp2611 View Post
Granted its been almost 30 years since I have been on a Bike...or Trike...but we always waved to everyone....and as for the Price....have you checked out a LOADED JKU RUBI? Think they should get a wave?
A loaded JKU Rubicon does a lot more than a tricycle to justify its price. A trike isn't like riding a bike at all, I just don't see the point. It's more like waving at one of the new Cherokees.
Yesterday 09:06 AM
jp2611
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post
Not going to lie, I wouldn't wave to a trike... especially since they're called "Tri Glide Ultra" which I can only assume is also the name of the lube they're using when they rape your bank account for $33k++
Granted its been almost 30 years since I have been on a Bike...or Trike...but we always waved to everyone....and as for the Price....have you checked out a LOADED JKU RUBI? Think they should get a wave?

I wave to all of them...if I see 'em in time.....yes I HAd a YJ with the "square" Headlights....I now have a TJ a JK and a JKU...I see them as "tools"...different tools for different jobs. HAPPY JEEPIN'!!
Yesterday 09:03 AM
Lakeman1
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Originally Posted by n00g7 View Post
Not going to lie, I wouldn't wave to a trike... especially since they're called "Tri Glide Ultra" which I can only assume is also the name of the lube they're using when they rape your bank account for $33k++
I do not have a Tri glide, I have a Ultra Glide conversion, won't buy it for $33K. If you want to play you pay, learned this long ago. I am 71 with a knee replacement and can not hold up an 800+ Pound bike anymore I was probably riding before you had a drivers license. Most "bikers"don't care what you ride as long as you ride. Remind me not to wave to you if we should see each other.
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