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11-09-2012 04:50 PM
cavediverjc
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Originally Posted by sonofabeach View Post
I was joking btw. I'm a Seminole fan in Gator country.
I wish the Jests would bench Sanchez and put him in.
Gotcha. No worries. I hear ya, I'm a Broncos fan smack dab in the middle of KC Chiefs country.
11-09-2012 02:44 PM
GCDMD Oh Lord, I think I just saw Chris Matthews "please" himself as he read the story about Obama crying at his speech to the members of his campaign. A little too sappy for my tastes thank you. I just wish the POTUS would show a little more dignity....

And yes, politics should be ONE thing we are willing to listen, interpret and change our opinions on if necessary. I am more than willing to change my opinion....or is it evolve now...... if I am proven incorrect or if better perspectives are introduced. That's called being a mature adult.

Now to go watch Rachel Maddow moan at sights of David Axelrod and Obama hugging....
11-09-2012 09:33 AM
sonofabeach
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Don't wanna get off the beaten path here but what sorts of issues did you run into?
That sucketh man. My wife and I became friends in 88 when we both worked at Wendy's together. A couple members of my family had problems at first. I never had a problem from anyone on my wife's side or any black people for that matter. No black person has ever said anything to my face and I have not heard anything. When me moved in together, I got a letter in the mail quoting bible verses about how races should not mix. Turned out to be from my redneck uncle in law. We got called names a couple of times walking through town from passing vehicles. N word and N lover and such. A couple years ago some redneck yelled "white power" out his window as me and my son were bike riding. My son didn't know what that meant. I jumped off my bike and motioned for them to come back. Naturally, they didn't.
So far, at 12 years old, he's never had a problem at school with it.
I think a lot of people are cool with it. Either that or they hide their true feelings inside. Over the years, many people I've ran into have fell victim to foot in mouth disease when talking to me, thinking I'm just like them. One of my black friends calls me undercover brother..LoL. My wife and I never think about race until someone else brings it up. My dad's always been the most open minded of my parents and me and my brother always had black friends, We played together, we had sleepovers. I got heavily into hip hop music in the 80s and was always hanging out with black kids. I hung out with everybody. All of this plays a part in some of my views and how I turned out imo.
11-09-2012 08:46 AM
sonofabeach
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Originally Posted by cavediverjc View Post
Tebow has a Heisman, was in the final selection for a second Heisman, and two National Championships. You're right, he sucks.
Maybe his NFL prowess needs some refining (like being moved to a full time tight end), but he's still one of the most gifted athletes to ever walk out of your state. But go ahead and hate on him. Preach "tolerance and peace", but refuse to live it. Jimmy Buffett would be disappointed in you.
I was joking btw. I'm a Seminole fan in Gator country.
I wish the Jests would bench Sanchez and put him in.
11-09-2012 08:32 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
Don't take it as a personal insult, these are my feelings. I stick by my beliefs and there is not a single person here who is going to change them.
Once you refuse to learn, you become ignorant. Learning from others does not mean you have to change, it means that you evolve. My personal beliefs and political views have evolved over the years. I don't think the way I did in my 20's, however I do appreciate the viewpoint of others and am willing to listen to their ideas, especially when those ideas are developed through knowledge.
11-09-2012 08:26 AM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by Con Artist View Post
Don't wanna get off the beaten path here but what sorts of issues did you run into? Years ago I dated a black woman and I'd never do it again, not because of my personal feelings, but because it simply wasn't accepted...by ANYONE.
Interesting. You refuse to entertain any political views other than your own, yet you bow to others in regard to racial issues.
11-09-2012 07:30 AM
klkb Ohio kind of sealed up the election, didn't it? Alaska had no say in the matter.
11-09-2012 07:28 AM
BlueRidgeYJ Respecting and appreciating others right to decide and all...

Do you really feel that popular vote, or mob rule, is best? It was Dr Franklin that said, "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." You can't let the mob decide what is best. You can't let one state (a very real threat for most of US history) decide who the president will be simply because they have an overwhelming population in respect to the other states. Or even several states. It must be the desire of the states, as the Federal govt is not the State. We are to be governed locally by State, with some benifits from "collective bargaining".

Urgh, off to work.
11-09-2012 07:26 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by klkb View Post
Dude, I think I'll have an aneurism with a side of eggs.
Would you like some ketchup to go with them?
11-09-2012 07:25 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by sonofabeach View Post
I myself don't think racism is growing. I see interracial relationships everywhere.
I'm white, my wife's black and we've been together for over 20 years with a 12 year old son. We had a bunch of problems early on but nothing much anymore. I think most people who are that way are too scared to say anything anymore.
Every now and then someone might blurt something in my presence. I try to walk away from conversations that I see going a certain way or I change the subject if I sense the person is about to go racial. Can't tell ya how any times someone has done that, only to feel like a jackass when I tell them I'm not like that.
Just a few weeks ago I was directly involved in one of the bosses at my job being fired for for dropping N bombs. Repeat offender and total @sshole btw. So yeah, it's still out there and always will be to some degree but I think people are cooler than ever. Just look how far it's come since the 60s. Music, sports, politics. When I got to my son's school I see all kinds of kids and it does not bother me at all.
People can change too. When I first began dating my wife, my mom flipped. Fast forward to now, and she's been with a black man for about 10 years now. Cool dude btw, from Britain and loves country music. Only flaw, he's a Gator fan.
Imo the more diverse the world gets, the more that racism dies.

And I can't believe I've broken my own rule:
Never talk politics, religion or Tebow's ineffectiveness as an NFL quarterback...LoL
Don't wanna get off the beaten path here but what sorts of issues did you run into? Years ago I dated a black woman and I'd never do it again, not because of my personal feelings, but because it simply wasn't accepted...by ANYONE. I never brought her home to my parents, and meeting hers (only her father...) was less than a stellar experience. While my parents aren't racist, they do believe you "stick with your own." Whether that's because of the way society is unacceptable or what the reason is, I can not say.

So yeah, I wound up pulling up to her house one day and no sooner did I pull up to her house and her dad came barreling through the front door screaming that I was a dumb "cracker" who just wanted to "exploit his baby and get in her pants." I never showed up at her front door again, yet we continued to see each other for about a month afterwards. Every time I'd call her, he'd be ranting in the background, "YOU TALKIN' TO THAT DUMB CRACKER AGAIN?"

Anyway, the relationship obviously ended. We both just decided it wasn't worth the effort in the end things would just turn out bad for everybody. Disappointing for sure...

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Originally Posted by cavediverjc View Post
Tebow has a Heisman, was in the final selection for a second Heisman, and two National Championships. You're right, he sucks.
Maybe his NFL prowess needs some refining (like being moved to a full time tight end), but he's still one of the most gifted athletes to ever walk out of your state. But go ahead and hate on him. Preach "tolerance and peace", but refuse to live it. Jimmy Buffett would be disappointed in you.
Wow, we actually agree on something. I don't care what anyone says about his "NFL prowess," he is in the NFL. Take the worst QB in the NFL and not even he sucks. He's in the NFL. It doesn't matter if he's the 3rd or 4th string QB, the man clearly plays at an elevated level to achieve a spot on an NFL roster.

I'm not a christian so I just kinda roll my eyes at the whole "praying on the field" thing, but if it works for him, it's all good. It doesn't take away from his ability. I think more people are focused on his tendency to kneel before a game than his actual ability. He took the Broncos from being a losing team to a winning team, yet still had a hard time finding a job.
11-09-2012 07:24 AM
klkb
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Originally Posted by scipio337

With a side of cognitive dissonance.

Captain obvious....out!
11-09-2012 07:21 AM
scipio337
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Originally Posted by klkb View Post
Dude, I think I'll have an aneurism with a side of eggs.
With a side of cognitive dissonance.

Captain obvious....out!
11-09-2012 07:16 AM
klkb
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Originally Posted by Con Artist

No, NOT voting IS a "protest vote." You won't convince me otherwise, so I'm just going to save you some time before you get started.

NO, California should NOT gt more US Senate seats than Wyoming. Why? Because the popular vote should be the ONLY vote that counts, regardless where someone resides.

Again, you will not convince me otherwise, so I'm going to save you some time.

Don't take it as a personal insult, these are my feelings. I stick by my beliefs and there is not a single person here who is going to change them.
Dude, I think I'll have an aneurism with a side of eggs.
11-09-2012 07:14 AM
Con Artist
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Originally Posted by scipio337 View Post
No, it was a protest non-vote.



Did you skip over the rest of the argument? Because we're a federalist republic.

Should California get more US Senate seats that Wyoming? They have 66x more people, why shouldn't they get more of a say in national policy?
No, NOT voting IS a "protest vote." You won't convince me otherwise, so I'm just going to save you some time before you get started.

NO, California should NOT gt more US Senate seats than Wyoming. Why? Because the popular vote should be the ONLY vote that counts, regardless where someone resides.

Again, you will not convince me otherwise, so I'm going to save you some time.

Don't take it as a personal insult, these are my feelings. I stick by my beliefs and there is not a single person here who is going to change them.
11-09-2012 07:12 AM
scipio337
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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeYJ View Post
I think 47% of Americans don't pay taxes.

There are some 45,000 just in Japan not paying taxes. Countless thousands in Afghanistan and Iraq, plus all them "contracters" at US bases, cia sites, and embassies globally, none of which pay taxes. At least not on the first 75k.

The 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th parties were excluded from all debates, despite lawsuits, protests, petitions, and showing up at the debates (some of whom were arrested there). If you wait for Faux or MSDNC to tell you, well it'll be a cold day in Hades.

Hilarious to hear the tired ol R vs D arguement. Maybe one day you will see people who have things, the ruling class, control those who don't, the working class, by subjegating the lower class. 5000 years, and counting. Evident in the subversion of democracy within the GOP in reference to Boehner / Dr Paul.

The electoral college ensures a population dense area doesn't decide for everyone. It is what makes us a Republic. First we were a Confederation (Articles of Confederation). This is why we have States, not territories. States require population, borders, govt, and autonomy. Nations are a group of people with a common bond. We then became a Republic, in the same spirit of 50 (not 50 then) independent, autonomous, selfgoverning, bordered, populated areas, loosely assembled into a Confederation. This is why we are the 50 States of the American Nation. We have now decided to put all types of control on that federal level, like the FED, IRS, BamerCare, ATF, DEA, World Police, Ocean Protector of Vessels, EPA, business welfare, personal welfare, international aide, research into Mars, and countless other stupid things to control our retarded, overpopulated world - cause it isn't just us that deal with Americas decisions. But the Federal Govt isn't supposed to be a State, more an Authority. It assumes State status. The Constitution forbids a standing US Army, but allows standing State Militias.

Nobody in here took any political theory courses? Huh.

The cyclical courses of financial collapse have more to do with Government Sachs and the FED than any repub or dem.

Romney paid more taxes than he owed, how can you trust him?

Wake up America, it doesn't have to be this way.
+1 for the win!!

11-09-2012 06:57 AM
cavediverjc
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofabeach
I myself don't think racism is growing. I see interracial relationships everywhere.
I'm white, my wife's black and we've been together for over 20 years with a 12 year old son. We had a bunch of problems early on but nothing much anymore. I think most people who are that way are too scared to say anything anymore.
Every now and then someone might blurt something in my presence. I try to walk away from conversations that I see going a certain way or I change the subject if I sense the person is about to go racial. Can't tell ya how any times someone has done that, only to feel like a jackass when I tell them I'm not like that.
Just a few weeks ago I was directly involved in one of the bosses at my job being fired for for dropping N bombs. Repeat offender and total @sshole btw. So yeah, it's still out there and always will be to some degree but I think people are cooler than ever. Just look how far it's come since the 60s. Music, sports, politics. When I got to my son's school I see all kinds of kids and it does not bother me at all.
People can change too. When I first began dating my wife, my mom flipped. Fast forward to now, and she's been with a black man for about 10 years now. Cool dude btw, from Britain and loves country music. Only flaw, he's a Gator fan.
Imo the more diverse the world gets, the more that racism dies.

And I can't believe I've broken my own rule:
Never talk politics, religion or Tebow's ineffectiveness as an NFL quarterback...LoL
Tebow has a Heisman, was in the final selection for a second Heisman, and two National Championships. You're right, he sucks.
Maybe his NFL prowess needs some refining (like being moved to a full time tight end), but he's still one of the most gifted athletes to ever walk out of your state. But go ahead and hate on him. Preach "tolerance and peace", but refuse to live it. Jimmy Buffett would be disappointed in you.
11-09-2012 12:55 AM
sonofabeach I myself don't think racism is growing. I see interracial relationships everywhere.
I'm white, my wife's black and we've been together for over 20 years with a 12 year old son. We had a bunch of problems early on but nothing much anymore. I think most people who are that way are too scared to say anything anymore.
Every now and then someone might blurt something in my presence. I try to walk away from conversations that I see going a certain way or I change the subject if I sense the person is about to go racial. Can't tell ya how any times someone has done that, only to feel like a jackass when I tell them I'm not like that.
Just a few weeks ago I was directly involved in one of the bosses at my job being fired for for dropping N bombs. Repeat offender and total @sshole btw. So yeah, it's still out there and always will be to some degree but I think people are cooler than ever. Just look how far it's come since the 60s. Music, sports, politics. When I got to my son's school I see all kinds of kids and it does not bother me at all.
People can change too. When I first began dating my wife, my mom flipped. Fast forward to now, and she's been with a black man for about 10 years now. Cool dude btw, from Britain and loves country music. Only flaw, he's a Gator fan.
Imo the more diverse the world gets, the more that racism dies.

And I can't believe I've broken my own rule:
Never talk politics, religion or Tebow's ineffectiveness as an NFL quarterback...LoL
11-08-2012 11:57 PM
klkb
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Originally Posted by eandelee

Racism is rampant in America and sadly growing - BUT it's going on with every race. Voting for President Obama solely because he is black is just as racist as not voting for him for the same reason. I wish people would wake up and realize how divisive the tone of our government is right now.
Absolutely.
11-08-2012 11:39 PM
MNPHINZ
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Originally Posted by eandelee

racism is rampant in america and sadly growing - but it's going on with every race. Voting for president obama solely because he is black is just as racist as not voting for him for the same reason. I wish people would wake up and realize how divisive the tone of our government is right now.
+1
11-08-2012 11:36 PM
klkb
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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeYJ
And for those who think a 3rd ticket means 34% can elect a president, thank you for showing why we need education reform.

"
What happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 Electoral votes?
If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote. The Senate would elect the Vice President from the 2 Vice Presidential candidates with the most Electoral votes. Each Senator would cast one vote for Vice President. If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.*
Thank you for that piece of education. However... That's still a whole lot more complicated than a simple popular vote. That has the potential for a serious clusterf**k, of epic proportions. Can you imagine the House electing a Republican president while the Senate elects a Democrat vice president? And taking two months to do it? The EC will never go away because that would remove the unfair advantage for the winning party, however it turns out.

We need election reform, healthcare reform, tax reform, all kinds of reform, and yet we still think we live in the best country in the world. I know that as Americans we are fortunate to have the rights and freedoms we do, that selfless people have fought and died to protect, but we've sure made a huge mess of it by not getting along, or being unable or unwilling to compromise to achieve a common goal.
11-08-2012 09:20 PM
eandelee
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Originally Posted by ed98208 View Post
I didn't take it that way at all. I think he was saying that the rednecks who put ignorant hate signs on their vehicles and just spew venom toward Obama without any purpose or reason are racists.

You can't claim that racism is no more in America.

Racism is rampant in America and sadly growing - BUT it's going on with every race. Voting for President Obama solely because he is black is just as racist as not voting for him for the same reason. I wish people would wake up and realize how divisive the tone of our government is right now.
11-08-2012 09:13 PM
BlueRidgeYJ And for those who think a 3rd ticket means 34% can elect a president, thank you for showing why we need education reform.

"
What happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 Electoral votes?
If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote. The Senate would elect the Vice President from the 2 Vice Presidential candidates with the most Electoral votes. Each Senator would cast one vote for Vice President. If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.*
"
http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...faq.html#no270
11-08-2012 08:29 PM
BlueRidgeYJ
Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperado

I have to ask-what do you think of the way Nebraska and Maine vote? Instead of all-for-nothing, they vote by congressional district.
I think that's how it should be, personally. The potential down, however, is the exact same outcome as Congress, which diminishes seperation of powers. This is the thought behind different lines.

But ya didn't ask me
11-08-2012 08:23 PM
BlueRidgeYJ Go little thread go!
11-08-2012 08:21 PM
BlueRidgeYJ I think 47% of Americans don't pay taxes.

There are some 45,000 just in Japan not paying taxes. Countless thousands in Afghanistan and Iraq, plus all them "contracters" at US bases, cia sites, and embassies globally, none of which pay taxes. At least not on the first 75k.

The 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th parties were excluded from all debates, despite lawsuits, protests, petitions, and showing up at the debates (some of whom were arrested there). If you wait for Faux or MSDNC to tell you, well it'll be a cold day in Hades.

Hilarious to hear the tired ol R vs D arguement. Maybe one day you will see people who have things, the ruling class, control those who don't, the working class, by subjegating the lower class. 5000 years, and counting. Evident in the subversion of democracy within the GOP in reference to Boehner / Dr Paul.

The electoral college ensures a population dense area doesn't decide for everyone. It is what makes us a Republic. First we were a Confederation (Articles of Confederation). This is why we have States, not territories. States require population, borders, govt, and autonomy. Nations are a group of people with a common bond. We then became a Republic, in the same spirit of 50 (not 50 then) independent, autonomous, selfgoverning, bordered, populated areas, loosely assembled into a Confederation. This is why we are the 50 States of the American Nation. We have now decided to put all types of control on that federal level, like the FED, IRS, BamerCare, ATF, DEA, World Police, Ocean Protector of Vessels, EPA, business welfare, personal welfare, international aide, research into Mars, and countless other stupid things to control our retarded, overpopulated world - cause it isn't just us that deal with Americas decisions. But the Federal Govt isn't supposed to be a State, more an Authority. It assumes State status. The Constitution forbids a standing US Army, but allows standing State Militias.

Nobody in here took any political theory courses? Huh.

The cyclical courses of financial collapse have more to do with Government Sachs and the FED than any repub or dem.

Romney paid more taxes than he owed, how can you trust him?

Wake up America, it doesn't have to be this way.
11-08-2012 08:13 PM
Desperado
Quote:
Originally Posted by scipio337
Your vote actually counts for MORE in the electoral college, unless you live in one of the five largest states.

The minute we lose the EC and elections are soley decided by urban states, we cease to be a republic.
I have to ask-what do you think of the way Nebraska and Maine vote? Instead of all-for-nothing, they vote by congressional district.
11-08-2012 08:03 PM
BlueRidgeYJ
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Originally Posted by scipio337
Well, there's option #2 of more Libertarian ideas in a platform/candidate.

See Paul, Ron.

Sorry, the act of not voting is not a protest vote.

Your vote actually counts for MORE in the electoral college, unless you live in one of the five largest states.

The electoral college is around because we're a collection of indifidual commnwealths, not just an administrative district. The "constituency" you see in the UK and other parliamentary systems aren't individual, indpendent commonwealths.

The minute we lose the EC and elections are soley decided by urban states, we cease to be a republic.
Holy shit.

Someone else here gets it.

I applaud your insightfulness.
11-08-2012 07:28 PM
Desperado
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Originally Posted by SmugglersBlues
People Racism is still here and it always will be on both sides. It's ignorant and useless. I was one of those people in my teen years I will admit it. I then grew up sadly some people do not.

As far as what party is for which person I firmly believe that both partys should be for the American people not one particular group. Martin Luther King was a Republican and Romney's father marched with him. So I find it hard to believe that all Republicans are racist. Just my $.02
MLK senior was a republican until 1960 when he was arrested at a sit in and Robert Kennedy called the judge to bail him out. He later helped Jimmy Carter win the '76 primary.
11-08-2012 06:51 PM
scipio337
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Originally Posted by ed98208 View Post
I didn't take it that way at all. I think he was saying that the rednecks who put ignorant hate signs on their vehicles and just spew venom toward Obama without any purpose or reason are racists.

You can't claim that racism is no more in America.
But it's a popular theme among Obama supporters.
11-08-2012 06:37 PM
jdeemer
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Originally Posted by ed98208 View Post
i didn't take it that way at all. I think he was saying that the rednecks who put ignorant hate signs on their vehicles and just spew venom toward obama without any purpose or reason are racists.

You can't claim that racism is no more in america.
x2!!!
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