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12-24-2012 07:21 AM
BlueRidgeYJ
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Originally Posted by Raiderfan001
Not anytime soon. Too many multi-billion dollar corporations have too much to lose if hemp wasn't illegal.
Well, that's why it got banned in the first place, yet we could send a massive FU to the southeast asia textile market with a rejuvination of our own. So sad.
12-24-2012 07:17 AM
Raiderfan001
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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeYJ View Post
KY always gives me a reason to smile a bit. When you guys gonna vote hemp cultivation back? It's comin.
Not anytime soon. Too many multi-billion dollar corporations have too much to lose if hemp wasn't illegal.
12-24-2012 07:13 AM
BlueRidgeYJ
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Originally Posted by teknoid
Fired for acts when not at work, in Virginia? That's messed up, and just plain WRONG. I know personally two guys who work at Wally World that would have been fired if this was corporate policy. One still works at a super center, and the other at a distribution facility. That is, if DUI's, non-support, and other things fall under that policy.

As for the cursing, I wonder about that being a local paranoid member of management. I've heard quite a few associates cuss when customers weren't around. None of them got fired. Lord knows, they've got plenty to cuss about. I'm really glad I don't have to listen to the rants every night from my wife now. 20 years was enough. The only good thing that came from her getting cancer is that she can't work there any more (too many lymph nodes lost, limited use of one arm).

And, yeah, the car is an extension of the home here. I believe this was passed the same time the castle doctrine and stand your ground laws were. We get a big fat F from the Brady Bunch, and we're proud of it.

The hassle over pistols was a LOT worse than anything else. Too much pressure, and they caved. The same will happen with the Colts. They were harassed by both the public, and by the government. with the short stuff. It was pretty bad. And there isn't any more "red tape" than any other rifle regarding an AR in KY, either. It's just a rifle.

BTW- A lot of places will write you up/fire you for cussing on the job, including mine. I's considered unprofessional. Thank dog I don't work in the office. I'm either by myself, or around customers. I don't cuss around them, and I ain't firing myself.
Yessir, they saw it in the arrest records in the newspaper, called him in and let him go. Good feller, too.

I was always under the impression it was system wide, though I heard my share of worty dirds workin there. Droped a whole pallet one night, and as it fell I let out a verbal barrage towards it. Turned around and an LP associate was watching me the entire time. She smiled ear to ear, walked off and never said a word. I loved 3rd shift, lmao.

That whole hassle is why I was originally posting this, as it seemingly doesn't jive. In VA, any thing with a folding stock or 20rnd mag or threaded barrel qualifies as an "Assault Firearm" and the buyer must be 21 and show proof of citizenship, neither of which is required for a long rifle.

KY always gives me a reason to smile a bit. When you guys gonna vote hemp cultivation back? It's comin.

I am very sorry to hear of your families fight, and wish you the best to conquer it. It can be a horrible delima to go through, as I am sure you know. God Bless you, and your wife/family, this Holiday season and into the new year.
12-24-2012 06:59 AM
joe buell with all this said and done I do not need an ar15 for hunting or home defense I have other things for that I do own one and for the simple reason its my right to. and I luuuuve to shoot the damn thing until my pet Goat Ruger ate the damn thing last month ? as far as Cali laws they really seem to work only 10rd mags sure keeps the gangs in check out there ? a lot less Murders ??? and for Dicks to bow down over this shooting which is a horrible thing trying to be politicaly correct I know they will not miss my money when I refuse to shop there anymore and alot of people I know feel the same way . shoot straight and keep your powder dry
12-23-2012 09:58 PM
teknoid Fired for acts when not at work, in Virginia? That's messed up, and just plain WRONG. I know personally two guys who work at Wally World that would have been fired if this was corporate policy. One still works at a super center, and the other at a distribution facility. That is, if DUI's, non-support, and other things fall under that policy.

As for the cursing, I wonder about that being a local paranoid member of management. I've heard quite a few associates cuss when customers weren't around. None of them got fired. Lord knows, they've got plenty to cuss about. I'm really glad I don't have to listen to the rants every night from my wife now. 20 years was enough. The only good thing that came from her getting cancer is that she can't work there any more (too many lymph nodes lost, limited use of one arm).

And, yeah, the car is an extension of the home here. I believe this was passed the same time the castle doctrine and stand your ground laws were. We get a big fat F from the Brady Bunch, and we're proud of it.

The hassle over pistols was a LOT worse than anything else. Too much pressure, and they caved. The same will happen with the Colts. They were harassed by both the public, and by the government. with the short stuff. It was pretty bad. And there isn't any more "red tape" than any other rifle regarding an AR in KY, either. It's just a rifle.

BTW- A lot of places will write you up/fire you for cussing on the job, including mine. I's considered unprofessional. Thank dog I don't work in the office. I'm either by myself, or around customers. I don't cuss around them, and I ain't firing myself.
12-23-2012 09:10 PM
BlueRidgeYJ
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Originally Posted by teknoid

I didn't miss your point. I just don't find anything odd about them selling firearms or ammo. It's a free country (kind of) and they can sell (or not sell) whatever they desire. Just like every other retail store does. I'm especially happy that they sell guns and ammo. The lifetime discount we have makes it an even better deal. Oh, the reason they quit selling pistols is simple. It became too big of a hassle. The constantly changing government red tape and liberal screaming just wasn't worth it anymore.

As for LP walking the lot looking to bust folks. Maybe in some states. I can say that it didn't happen in the 3 stores in Illinois and one in Kentucky my wife worked at over 20 years. That's the only ones I have knowledge of. If they tried it in KY, they couldn't do anything about it anyway without getting sued due to the law on the books here. Other places have tested the law. All of them lost.

And yeah, they fire people for cussing around or at customers. So do a lot of places. No surprise or shock, there. I would, too. It isn't a bar, there are usually kids around. Also, that 10 ft rule is very common in all retail stores. Personally, it annoys the heck out of me. I get it at Wally world, Target, Meijers, Penny's, etc. And it ain't because I'm Purty!
And as I pointed out, modern sporting rifles have unique 'red tape' in most States, too. Hence the irony, one is too hard to figure out, the other is somehow not.

Nice to know y'all respect the car as an extension of the home (I presume).

Actually, we had no customer interface. Still, cursing was prohibited. An associate was fired once because he had been arrested Saturday night with a whore, and Walmart frowns on moral terpitude. Fired, for an off shift transgression that is a misdemeanor. Your wife should be able to explain all this doctrination in detail. It is a culture of crazy, no offense intended. I was in it for a long time, too. Just do not like being corporate guy anymore
12-23-2012 08:59 PM
teknoid
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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeYJ View Post
They fact they stopped selling pistols for that exact reason. By their own admission, simple laws are all they wish to be informed on.

I never said they should be banned from sales, which leads me to believe you missed the point entirely.



From personal experience (in distribution), they (LP) would literally walk the lot with a flashlight looking for firearms or alcohol. You could also be fired for any profane language or actions at work, or disrespect of the individual. She can tell ya all about that, and the 10' rule, as well as how very many questionable items are not sold at Walmart b/c of social conotations around them.
I didn't miss your point. I just don't find anything odd about them selling firearms or ammo. It's a free country (kind of) and they can sell (or not sell) whatever they desire. Just like every other retail store does. I'm especially happy that they sell guns and ammo. The lifetime discount we have makes it an even better deal. Oh, the reason they quit selling pistols is simple. It became too big of a hassle. The constantly changing government red tape and liberal screaming just wasn't worth it anymore.

As for LP walking the lot looking to bust folks. Maybe in some states. I can say that it didn't happen in the 3 stores in Illinois and one in Kentucky my wife worked at over 20 years. That's the only ones I have knowledge of. If they tried it in KY, they couldn't do anything about it anyway without getting sued due to the law on the books here. Other places have tested the law. All of them lost.

And yeah, they fire people for cussing around or at customers. So do a lot of places. No surprise or shock, there. I would, too. It isn't a bar, there are usually kids around. Also, that 10 ft rule is very common in all retail stores. Personally, it annoys the heck out of me. I get it at Wally world, Target, Meijers, Penny's, etc. And it ain't because I'm Purty!
12-23-2012 07:49 PM
BlueRidgeYJ
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Originally Posted by teknoid

What makes you think they're unfamiliar with gun laws? Is it only because they happen to work at a particular place? Heck, my wife was a sporting goods department manager at Wal-Mart for years. I hate to burst your bubble, but she was trained rather well on those laws, as well as the process of selling a firearm. As for the ammo, if it is legal to purchase, why shouldn't they sell it? I don't usually hunt with .45 caliber or 9mm hollowpoints, either. Does that mean they shouldn't sell it?
They fact they stopped selling pistols for that exact reason. By their own admission, simple laws are all they wish to be informed on.

I never said they should be banned from sales, which leads me to believe you missed the point entirely.

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Originally Posted by teknoid

Where do you get that the employees can't have firearms in their vehicles? They can here. It's a state law in Kentucky. No employer can forbid it.

From personal experience (in distribution), they (LP) would literally walk the lot with a flashlight looking for firearms or alcohol. You could also be fired for any profane language or actions at work, or disrespect of the individual. She can tell ya all about that, and the 10' rule, as well as how very many questionable items are not sold at Walmart b/c of social conotations around them.
12-23-2012 09:31 AM
teknoid
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Originally Posted by 1jeeplvr View Post
Im in the same boat.Ive got several hand guns & soon I do want a Mossberg but no desire for a semi.A friend of mine just went & got a semi & I asked him why he wanted/needed one.His response was,he didnt want one before the unfortunate shooting & the only reason he did get one is that it pissed him off he may not soon be able to get one.A little silly but whatever.
The only semi-auto long guns I have are .22s. The rest are bolt and lever action. I wouldn't mind having an AR for plinking, but there are other things I'd spend the cash on first. While there isn't such a thing as "enough" guns, I think I can get by.
12-23-2012 09:02 AM
teknoid
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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeYJ View Post
So you don't find it weird a place that refuses obscene music sales because they are influentally negative sells assault rifles (by legal definition)? A place you can be fired for 1 f-word at work. A place employees can't leave locked firearms in their POV. Interesting.

I do find it weird. In the same way, to use your analogy, that I find it weird a 12yo can walk into spencers in the mall for aforementioned socks and see items geared at 18+ crowds. Not illegal, but weird.

Oh well.
Where do you get that the employees can't have firearms in their vehicles? They can here. It's a state law in Kentucky. No employer can forbid it.

12-23-2012 08:59 AM
teknoid
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Originally Posted by Titaness View Post
I get it blue ridge .

I expect Wally World to sell toys and goofy drinking straws.

I don't expect toy stores to sell sex toys and don't expect amusement parks to sell something which purpose is to kill. It IS a bizarre place to buy a gun... Especially for those of us who have respect for handling guns -.
I can remember buying guns at Western Auto, and a hardware store. What's wrong with selling a legal product at a retail store? I don't see a thing wrong with it, and I've owned guns for 40 years, hold a CCDW, and respect firearms more than most. Who am I to tell ANY place of business what they can and can't sell? After all, it is their right to do so, just as it is my right to purchase that item. And I've killed a lot of paper with those items, along with a few tasty critters.
12-23-2012 08:45 AM
teknoid
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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeYJ View Post
Oh I certainly understand you will still be going through the process of purchase, with Grandpa Jones walking you along.

My questions was, should you be able to buy hemmoroid creme, milk, a book, a new dvd player, cat food, frangible rounds, and an AR in the same place. With someone very unfamiliar with gun laws selling it (why they won't sell pistols, fyi). I mean they won't sell a Playboy or unedited CD.

Frangible rounds are not typical hunting rounds. I actually don't know of anyone who hunts with frangibles. The AR platform isn't any more dangerous than a sharp stick, but is easily adapted to a more serious role.

Ever heard of the slide fire stock? You may wanna rethink that semi auto comment and yes, I think frangible rounds are more serious than fmj or hp as they can't be removed. I think it should all be available, I just have no faith in the associates ability to sell to the right people.
What makes you think they're unfamiliar with gun laws? Is it only because they happen to work at a particular place? Heck, my wife was a sporting goods department manager at Wal-Mart for years. I hate to burst your bubble, but she was trained rather well on those laws, as well as the process of selling a firearm. As for the ammo, if it is legal to purchase, why shouldn't they sell it? I don't usually hunt with .45 caliber or 9mm hollowpoints, either. Does that mean they shouldn't sell it?
12-23-2012 03:30 AM
Hillbilly Tactical
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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeYJ

A "registered" receiver is, for all intents and purposes, a firearm. The other parts are in no way regulated.

I am fairly certain they will attempt to mimic the 94 ban.
Your right, a receiver is a firearm but it is not a rifle or pistol ( in most states). The law will read "no rifle will be made with x parts after x date." A Receiver will have to be made into a rifle before the date of ban.
If you look at your 4473 there is a place just for receivers. This is by design after the last awb the ATF found that people had Pre Ban virgin receivers because they were logged as long guns, due to not having a "other" area for receivers on FFLs log forms.
12-21-2012 11:25 AM
BlueRidgeYJ
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly Tactical
And there will be no preban receivers, if it was not built into a firearm by xxx date it will not count as a preban weapon.
A "registered" receiver is, for all intents and purposes, a firearm. The other parts are in no way regulated.

I am fairly certain they will attempt to mimic the 94 ban.
12-21-2012 07:21 AM
scipio337
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Originally Posted by Hillbilly Tactical View Post
While some states already have a ban list that will list certain weapons, ar, ak, fal ect. I will bet the law that come down from the fed willl be . No mag over 10 rds for pistol, and maybe rifle will be 15. (but i think it will be 10 also) And centerfire rifles can not have over 3 of the following evil features
Pistol grip
Detachable mag
Muzzle brake /threaded barrel
Bayonet lug
Forward grip
No rifle rounds .50 cal
Ect.

This will only apply to new manufacture weapons, others will be grandfathered.
Very similar to the CT law (minus mag size limits) that was already on the books last week, which did what good exactly?

I'm pissed, and pray the House squashes that silly crap. Mag prices have TRIPLED since last week on gunbroker. A 20 rd CMI mag for an M1A was going for $35 or so last week, and you'd be lucky to find one for $100 today. The same with those eeevil black rifles.
12-21-2012 02:30 AM
Raiderfan001
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Originally Posted by cavediverjc View Post
Claiming a field loss will only get your battalion on lockdown. They'll lock down an entire Army base for a "field loss" on a weapon. There was another Infantry Company next to ours and a guy "lost" his NODS and they shut down the entire battalion. He CONVENIENTLY found them after 6 hours or so of sitting around the company. He thought he could get away with it. He was wrong.
Lol I wouldn't actually do it. Not worth risking my career over.
12-20-2012 11:42 PM
Hillbilly Tactical And there will be no preban receivers, if it was not built into a firearm by xxx date it will not count as a preban weapon.
12-20-2012 11:39 PM
Hillbilly Tactical While some states already have a ban list that will list certain weapons, ar, ak, fal ect. I will bet the law that come down from the fed willl be . No mag over 10 rds for pistol, and maybe rifle will be 15. (but i think it will be 10 also) And centerfire rifles can not have over 3 of the following evil features
Pistol grip
Detachable mag
Muzzle brake /threaded barrel
Bayonet lug
Forward grip
No rifle rounds .50 cal
Ect.

This will only apply to new manufacture weapons, others will be grandfathered.
12-20-2012 11:22 PM
Hillbilly Tactical
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Originally Posted by cavediverjc

Claiming a field loss will only get your battalion on lockdown. They'll lock down an entire Army base for a "field loss" on a weapon. There was another Infantry Company next to ours and a guy "lost" his NODS and they shut down the entire battalion. He CONVENIENTLY found them after 6 hours or so of sitting around the company. He thought he could get away with it. He was wrong.
A Butter bar lost a m9 and had post locked down for 2 days, everyone was pissed
12-20-2012 06:50 PM
BlueRidgeYJ Yeah, Uncle Sam has a HUGE problem with you having equal firepower to him. Little "gun" syndrome.

Maybe they had to get all them guns collected so we could give... er, um, "sell" them to Egypt, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, etc, etc, etc.

I would put a laughing emoticon here, but it isn't funny.
12-20-2012 05:57 PM
cavediverjc
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Originally Posted by Raiderfan001
Field loss it is then if they pass a ban. They wanna **** me i'll **** them back
Claiming a field loss will only get your battalion on lockdown. They'll lock down an entire Army base for a "field loss" on a weapon. There was another Infantry Company next to ours and a guy "lost" his NODS and they shut down the entire battalion. He CONVENIENTLY found them after 6 hours or so of sitting around the company. He thought he could get away with it. He was wrong.
12-20-2012 02:18 PM
BlueRidgeYJ Ah, it is starting to make sense. 580 is straight barrel & mini30, 581 is tapered barrel w/o m/b or alum, 582 is with them. Or something to that effect anyway (I know some tapereds are 580s).

Guess y'all can figure what I likes to shoot, lol. 1st gun was a Ruger, been a love affair ever since.
12-20-2012 02:12 PM
daggo66 582XXX. I have the aluminum rails.
12-20-2012 02:09 PM
BlueRidgeYJ
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Originally Posted by daggo66

Are you talking about the rails inside the stock or the picatinny rails?

I found a picture of it on this thread. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f6/firs...-167575-4.html
Mostly for the stock, I'm not to big on scout mounts. Mine came just like yours, with no birdcage.

You have a tapered barrel, yes? 581xxxx?

But again, I jumped on that joker when they were asking almost 1k$ for em. Didn't pay that, but they asked for it, lol.
12-20-2012 01:50 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeYJ View Post
Nope. Ruger stamp on it, allegedly the only way to get the stamp is buy the whole gun that way. (I tried to convert myself, but I was hellbent on the 100$ Stamp)

Did you get aluminum rails wih it or do they still only do that as an upgrade? If so, I may just buy a new one, wait for the ban, then sell the old one - for 1500$! lmfao!
Are you talking about the rails inside the stock or the picatinny rails?

I found a picture of it on this thread. http://www.wranglerforum.com/f6/firs...-167575-4.html
12-20-2012 01:44 PM
BlueRidgeYJ Nope. Ruger stamp on it, allegedly the only way to get the stamp is buy the whole gun that way. (I tried to convert myself, but I was hellbent on the 100$ Stamp)

Did you get aluminum rails wih it or do they still only do that as an upgrade? If so, I may just buy a new one, wait for the ban, then sell the old one - for 1500$! lmfao!
12-20-2012 01:34 PM
daggo66 I bought it this past July, the day it arrived from the factory to my local dealer. Maybe yours was a conversion. Does the stock have a Ruger emblem or an ATI emblem?
12-20-2012 01:31 PM
BlueRidgeYJ
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Originally Posted by daggo66

Mine did.
What! Your 20/CF came with one? Now I am pissed again, lol. I had to buy my own and modify the... nevermind. It has a MUZZLE BRAKE now, cause flash suppresors are for bad guys.

Glad you got one the way they promised em! I did get mine right after they retooled for them, though.
12-20-2012 01:30 PM
daggo66
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Originally Posted by Cons_Table View Post
I hear that plastic bayonett will do some damage
Could poke an eye out.
12-20-2012 01:27 PM
Cons_Table
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Originally Posted by BlueRidgeYJ View Post
And this Mini14 Target

Attachment 189318

Is less dangerous than this 10/22


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Obviously.
I hear that plastic bayonett will do some damage
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