|04-13-2013 07:18 PM|
|04-13-2013 06:14 PM|
For peace of mind investigate what exactly entailed. Did all the trans. oil spew out (pretty sure you would have seized up -- check for a JK in Aruba that did just that). Are there 2 coolers, one being the proper transmission cooler, the other the aux in front of the radiator. Does it circulate through both or just the main one (not the aux) and the aux only when necessary.
No good sitting around waiting and watching forever if the thing will hold up or not. Dealer will tell you want you need to hear obviously. For all you know the transmission was still sealed and fully encased in oil all the time.
|04-13-2013 04:44 PM|
|Kiddmen57||Btw- I understand every manufacturer has issues. Just think of how many vehicles they crank out every day. It's how they handle the issues when they come up that separates the good from the bad. The saga is not over so no final judgement from me yet.|
|04-13-2013 04:39 PM|
Got it back Friday. Of course dealer said it was ok. Wouldn't do anything more. I'm none too happy about that. Now my mind is always wondering if that last shift was normal or not. I have it all documented on the service ticket and will be calling Chrysler next week to get unlimited warranty or new trans. If all else fails I know ways to blow it up and get a new one before the warranty expires.
Unfortunately in Az there is nothing I can legally do until it has the same issue 3 or 4 times. In the mean time I'm gonna drive it and see if it starts acting up. Take it in every time.
Larry H Miller Chrysler Jeep in Tucson. Formerly Tucson Chrysler Jeep.
|04-13-2013 02:24 PM|
|04-13-2013 02:20 PM|
I keep thinking that there are two. The one in the front seen through the grill being an aux one, the main one (or smaller stock one) where every it is located (think under the a/c?), but is the there only one and it being the one in the front? If there are two is it circulated through the second all the time or if when necessary? Looking at the couplings in this original pic, those to me look like what goes into the aux one in the front.
Don't know, just thinking aloud as it is interesting, that coupling pipe is not flexible, you have to pull it out. Was it disconnected all the time from the factory, wouldn't they notice it at the dealer test run once it came of the truck, then again, it was driven from the dealer home or to work, and only leaving work did it reveal itself. Checking around that type of coupling has caused others problems on aftermarket installs, where it looks like its connected yet isn't.
Weird situation how the installer "clicked" the one in place and not the other.
|04-13-2013 02:11 PM|
|PHILDABEAST||I had a similar issue with my work truck last year. From the time the line popped off the cooler to the time I pulled off the road was less than 1/2 a mile ( it was easy to see exactly where the line came off do to the stain on the dirt road) it was towed to the shop, they replaced the line filled it up with fluid and 2 months later I was stranded 70 miles from town and about 15 miles from the nearest paved road with a smoked tranny. Not awesome!|
|04-13-2013 02:08 PM|
I owned two Honda Accords [both Japanese made] that were the most troublesome vehicles I ever owned. Transmission failures, water pump failure, electrical issues, timing belt failure at 13k miles, etc. They were far worse than my '76 AMC CJ5. My current JKU has zero issues.
Lemons can be made by any one, its just a matter of statistical percentages and the luck of the buyer.
|04-13-2013 01:49 PM|
The transmission generates enough heat in a short time that the cooler is required at all times. Opening to a cooler once it is too hot is too late. The cooler is there to prevent it from getting to hot.
|04-13-2013 01:21 PM|
Today are Unions needed, well that's a whole different story and I am not about to go there! So AM I ANT-UNION, NO, NO, AND NO. What I am is against anybody drinking and doing drugs on there lunch hour and then going back to work, this applies to both Union and non-union workers.
What I am against is the Unions protecting these type of workers! These assembly workers are a insult to both the Auto industry and their Union! Hopefully that you will agree with me on that and if you don't well then too bad.................
Please keep in mind that we are paying a lot of money for their assembly workmanship. Would you want a surgeon performing a surgery on one of your family members if he, or she was drunk, or high on drugs???
|04-13-2013 12:36 PM|
For peace of mind I would check with them or other whether the fluid actually circulates through the cooler all the time. I'm thinking only when it over heats (which takes more than casual driving) will it open a valve and "push" it through the cooler to reduce the heat. Doesn't look like much escaped or did they in fact check the level at the dealer ship? Seems the limp mode kicked in in order not to over heat and circulate.
Not sure about this, but see if you can fish it out of the dealer (service manager or tech.) in a casual way.
|04-13-2013 12:08 PM|
Back to the OP.. Dude I feel for you but there is an issue at hand. I personally think someone is jealous of you and monkeyed with your Jeep.
A loose or disconnected tranny line would have run that tranny dry within minutes. It would not have made it into the shop let alone back out and to your house without at least a huge tell tale oil puddle.
If you have no oil puddle in your driveway then someone has pulled that cooler line where you park at work. The tranny is done, have it replaced. Internals are likely burnt and bearing compromised. The only way I would take that tranny now is if they give you free unlimited no questions asked TRANSFERABLE lifetime drivetrain warranty.
|04-13-2013 10:56 AM|
I'd like the OP to keep us updated. I'm sure he can get them to make it right.
I also wonder, why do we blame an American union worker for a bad vehicle but not an American soldier when a battle is lost? (Hint: In both cases, the guy was probably doing his best with what he had to work with, and the fault lies with those in command.)
|04-13-2013 10:32 AM|
Every manufacture can have an issue on a vehicle. I drove a Honda Accord, and on the test drive the passenger mirror fell off. Drove a Toyota, and on the test drive all 4 breaks locked up. I bought both vehicles (Different ones on the lot), and never had an issue. Hell......My Mom bought a food processor thin last week, and it didnt work right out of the box. Given how many products are sold, there are bound to be some that dont work, or have an issue. Regardless if its made by Union employees, Robots, or whatever. The main thin is that the dealer steps up and takes care of the issue in a way that gives the OP peice of mind on his purchase, and provides a trouble free experiance.
|04-13-2013 09:14 AM|
|04-13-2013 07:45 AM|
|04-13-2013 07:30 AM|
Sorry about that happening. Who really knows how it happened. We can all speculate though. One thing I wouldn't have done was drive it once you noticed a problem. Especially when it involves any type of fluid spilling out.
I'd ask for a new similar Jeep or a new transmission. It can't hurt to ask but keep a cool head. At the very least get a lifetime warranty. Mine hasn't had any issues with leaking trans fluid but then again I have a six speed
|04-13-2013 06:01 AM|
|ohioviper||I bet some people would be surprised what their hourly cost is to their employer including benefits.|
|04-13-2013 05:51 AM|
Never tell a Union guy that Unions suck.
Never hire an ex Union guy.
Just my opinion.
(Based on personal experience)
|04-13-2013 05:12 AM|
Maybe Chrysler would be better selling these jeeps as kits at least we could put them together properly.
Or if they set the odometer at 100,000 when it comes out of the factory because that's what a new wrangler behaves like.
Although mine is behaving itself lately.
|04-13-2013 04:49 AM|
Wow! I was checking on the OPs problem and ran into an anti-American Union thread. Unless you are a sole proprietorship, I can guarantee if we did a background check on your co-workers, there will be some slackers and/or drug addicts and alcoholics. Union and non-union. And some of them work for Lexus, Toyota, AND Honda. I have had two Wrangler JKs and they have been awesome and pretty much trouble free. No complaints. But apparently I was lucky and they were built by the few folks at UAW who do good work.
OP, look at the responses and go with your gut. The idea of replacing the vehicle is probably out of the question, but an extended warranty seems fair enough. Its the least the dealership can do and if there are any issues, the dealership gets reimbursed for the work by Chrysler anyway... Who let the Jeep leave the factory subpar anyway.
|04-13-2013 02:44 AM|
O.K., what I remember seeing on the news, when the auto industry was in trouble was shocking to me. They showed that the average USA auto worker with benefits was making seventy some dollars per hour and in Japan they were making with benefits forty some dollars per hour. I don't remember the exact amount, but that is close. They were trying to show that it would be impossible to be competitive, because of such a wage difference.
They also showed that the USA Company's had way to many layers of management also driving up their internal costs.
|04-13-2013 01:36 AM|
You are the MAN.............................
PS, you need to put your glasses on, my comment was $78.00 per hour INCLUDING FRINGE BENIFITS!!!
|04-13-2013 01:03 AM|
I was with the UAW for 25 years. Not only did I not make anywhere close to $78/hr (not even half that and I had the highest hourly rate job in the UAW - electrician) but I only saw two instances of people reporting for work or coming back from lunch under the influence of something in all those years.
Perhaps you need to do a bit more research and get your facts straight.
To the OP, if they don't replace the transmission demand a free lifetime powertrain warranty.
|04-12-2013 02:50 PM|
This same thing happened to my brother on a 2000 Sahara he bought brand new.The trip home it stopped shifting and he called dealer . They towed it in and he called me.Told him to demand a new transmission or a complete lifetime warranty no deductible no questions asked if tranny failed or had issues they would replace it. They filled it with fluid and put a lifetime warranty in writing and he had the owner sign it .
He never had any issues with it after that but it was always in the back of his mind it would fail someday and leave him stranded so he traded it off after couple years.
I would demand a new transmission or a new Jeep.
|04-12-2013 02:25 PM|
|nknacd||must have happened after a UAW beer break|
|04-12-2013 02:20 PM|
|04-12-2013 02:20 PM|
There is no way I'd ever be comfortable with either scenario here... Either they put fluid in it and you hope it doesn't crap out prematurely, or they basically pull apart your 1 day old vehicle for a replacement. How much are they going to mess up or leave off it in the process? Sorry, I don't have a ton of faith in mechanics.
I'd ask to pick another similarly equipped Jeep off the lot.
|04-12-2013 01:56 PM|
|04-12-2013 01:38 PM|
|Fitchottie||I would ask that the dealership and Chrysler, offer you the life time powertrain warranty free of charge. which is normally 1500-2000, but that is our cost not theirs. Make sure the tranny is working as it should and you should be good to go. The hardball tactic won't work since you are at their mercy. Just some free advice.|
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