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12-07-2013 08:45 AM
supercazzola For those with the skid, I received my skid with bolts that were with 1/2" and not 9/16 head like the instructions reference. Also, there were not 4 holes on the bottom of the skid to use to mount to a crash bar if I wanted to leave it in.
Anyone else have this, and is this what the OP meant when they posted the got new bolts?
08-10-2013 04:19 PM
donmeca2020 looks great !!!!
08-10-2013 02:54 PM
nekojku
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooster76 View Post
QUESTION? With the bumper on is it possible to remove the grill. I may down the road want to add new headlights.

Yes you can still remove the grill with the PS bumper on.
07-04-2013 04:04 AM
Rooster76
Test Fitting for Powder Coating

QUESTION? With the bumper on is it possible to remove the grill. I may down the road want to add new headlights.

SKID + RUBICON = CUT THE CRASHBAR REQUIRED
I just got the PS Brawler Lite (with plate gussets) plus the skid. I did a test fit without the skid and it fit on fine. I trimmed the crash bar and put the skid on tight and it would not go on. I tried a few times and checked to make sure it was lined up. There was nothing small to trim in the way when test fitting. It does fit if I loosen the 4 side skid attachment bolts. Then if flexes just enough. It leaves about a 1/8" gap on the side. There is no way around not cutting off the crashbar with a rubicon and the skid in my opinion. At least with having everything tight to spec. I don't think the spring ratchet adapters will go up to 40ft/lbs. The electric swaybar motor, and the swaybar pipe that runs across, is in the way of being able to get you arm in to tighten the bolts. Between the swaybar pipe and the crashbar leaves about 3". It's not a straight shot though and there is almost no room to actually ratchet when your in there. I think I could MAYBE tighten the passenger inside frame bolts after putting the bumper in place. That would be at best down to about 10ft/lbs. That also would be if I was super lucky, and I didn't drop the bolt or break my arm. Then there is the driver side with the vacuum pump right in the way. Add the crashbar to that and it will be hard to get the inner most frame bolts. I could see maybe making it work if you didn't put on the 4 inner frame bolts on. Even with midget arms I cannot see the inner lower frame mounting bolts being possible with the crashbar in the way.

OTHER SKID OPTION
The Expedition One Rubi Skid is a good and possibly better option if your hacking the crashbar off anyways (as pointed out by kramer2k on a different thread). It ends up costing just a bit less. This is a good link that shows how it is installed.Expedition One Rubi Skid install - JKowners.com : Jeep Wrangler JK Forum.


SKID + CRASHBAR = MUD COLLECTOR
The skid plate rest against the crashbar tightly. It works out that if mud got in the front holes of the skid, it would collect against the crash bar. It makes a pocket that would make mud very hard to get out.

TRIMMING THE CRASH BAR
I spent a good amount of time trimming up the crashbar. With my 2012 it seems like all I really needed to do was trim off the bottom of the 2 sides. They drop about 3/8" below the main crossmember portion of the crashbar. The vertical cut that it showed in the directions I don't think were necessary for me (2012 JK). I did make the cut before I realized that I didn't need to. I read this guys post and figured it out after angle grinding them out.Poison Spyder Brawler Lite Front Bumper for JK. For anyone wanting to keep the crashbar just know that you need to absolutely make the main long bottom middle portion, the lowest area. The skid will come up right onto it.

Here you see I made the recommended vertical cut. It appears that just cutting on the green line would have worked. NOTE:The crashbar style I believe has changed over the years.

Here is the rear. I highlighted the part that needs to get trimmed.

Here is the side before trimming. The gold line I created trying to find the best way to cut it.

Here it's trimmed, but on the other side


Quote:
Originally Posted by RedSectorA View Post
I left my crash bar mostly intact, only notching the corners. If I had to do it again (and I might) I would completely remove it.

My crash bar must have been a smidge lower that most because I could not get the lip of the skid to slide over the bottom of the crash bar with the bumper and skid bolted together tightly. I had to leave the skid hanging loosely from the bottom of the bumper and then tighten it all up once the bumper was tight to the frame horns. It still isn't 100% and it's nagging at me. I might take the entire thing back off and lop off the crash bar.
That makes 2 of us. I also have a small gap on the passenger side, side, where I can see light through. That's with it bolted all the way down. It's not really noticeable when mounted though.
06-11-2013 01:13 AM
suicideking
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Originally Posted by kramer2k View Post
Looks good? That's definitely subjective. I found it hideous looking poking out beneath the sexy PSC Brawler Lite. I'm not sure I'd want lights mounted down that low either.

Ahh, wait a minute. Just realized you're talking about something different as I typed this. The crash bar isn't the same thing as the "brawler bar" or similarly styled stinger.

The crash bar is the thin piece of metal that runs across the front of the Jeep behind the bumper connecting the frame rail ends.

From Ludski's picture here, you'll see the crash bar that drops down below the frame rails. Cut that sucker off. Grind down the cuts and paint them black.
Yeah, threw me off too. The crash bar is hideous.


Crash bar = Ugly

Bull bar = Sexy!
06-10-2013 11:18 PM
MikeK46
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockeymonster View Post
So where do you put it. Hopefully it doesn't stay on the tire and windshield or its a bad design.
Much more visible in the windshield than tied to the skid

06-10-2013 03:16 PM
Ltblue
Quote:
Originally Posted by LHC30 View Post
Can you post pics of your front mid width? I am going back and forth between the Mid and the Lite...

Thanks.
I am on the Ipad atm, but I have some pics in my jeep profile if you want to see. I would get the Mid(not because I have one) because it just looks better.
06-10-2013 03:10 PM
LHC30
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Originally Posted by Ltblue View Post
I just installed the mid width brawler..
So that was what was in my way the whole time, #$%#%$ crash bar!!
Can you post pics of your front mid width? I am going back and forth between the Mid and the Lite...

Thanks.
06-10-2013 11:23 AM
Ltblue
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockeymonster View Post
So where do you put it. Hopefully it doesn't stay on the tire and windshield or its a bad design.
I put mine just a little it above the skid plate. I did not drill any holes or buy a license plate holder. All I did was take double sided 3m tape and put it all over the back of the plate, stuck it on, and took a Micro torch and heated up the front of the plate to let the tape warm up and stick. If you leave it in the windshield you will get a ticket(don't ask me how I know ). Hope this helps..
06-09-2013 07:49 PM
Hockeymonster I'm extremely picky with looks , sheet metal wouldn't work for me. After paying $400 for the bumper and $200 for the powder coating its got to be perfect.

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06-09-2013 07:45 PM
Hockeymonster Nates off road. Retains the stock plate design. Can't imagine covering up wheels with a plate. Also running LEDs through the tire for the third eye. Would never buy a bumper from a manufacturer that did not think if this.
Good luck with your mod


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06-09-2013 07:27 PM
BigManAndy You'd have to drill your own mounting holes. I didn't want to since I plan on running a winch at some point. When that time comes I'll use a farlead mount. But for now she rides up in the windshield. I could zip tie it up front, might do that if I get hassled about it being in the windshield. Not really a design flaws, many states don't require a front plate.

Been thinking about using L brackets and a thin sheet of metal or aluminum and making my own bracket and use the winch mounting holes for the L brackets. I just don't and won't drill holes into this bumper for a stupid plate that I'm required to have.
06-09-2013 05:28 PM
Hockeymonster So where do you put it. Hopefully it doesn't stay on the tire and windshield or its a bad design.
06-09-2013 05:00 PM
Spyder1049 There's no license plate holder on the brawler lite
06-09-2013 04:33 PM
Hockeymonster Does the license plates stay where they are in the picture?
06-09-2013 04:29 PM
Spyder1049 It takes an hour at most. I trimmed the crash bar. Installing the bumper is literally 8 bolts
Do it !!!!
06-09-2013 02:47 PM
masonjb I've not really looked at removing the front bumper yet but plan on ordering the Poison Spyder Brawler lite and when you mention removing the crash bar, just how much trouble is that? Not looking to spend an entire weekend doing this install. And I guess I am going to be getting the skid plate too since they recommend it for a Rubicon.
Thanks
05-21-2013 12:33 PM
BigManAndy Installed this a few weeks ago. Went on without a hitch, every bolt hole lined up perfectly. Vacuum pump on my 2012 was not a problem and it still in the factor location.



05-19-2013 10:16 AM
tlminh I installed mine and there was no cutting and no drilling of any holes, it lined up perfectly!

The driver's side upper inner bolt was a pain to get to, and I didn't have a shorter 19mm socket, so I just hand tightned it until i can get a socket in there
05-05-2013 06:54 PM
PhotoWrangler
Quote:
Originally Posted by rundm View Post
Mine should be on this tuesday and I live down in the Tx City area if you are interested in looking at one in the next week or so.

Sweet!
05-05-2013 06:52 PM
Blue Rubicon
Quote:
Originally Posted by nekojku View Post

The bolts on mine lined up perfectly. One of the holes were a bit small so I had drill out a mm. But in terms of alignment it was perfect.

I remember reading past threads that some people had to leave out the bolts that hit the bolt plate. So basically two bolts.
I was debating cutting the bolt plate to make them fit or just not use them.
05-05-2013 06:29 PM
rundm
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhotoWrangler View Post
Where are you in the Metro? I'd love to see this in person before I buy it.

I'm in Deer Park.
Mine should be on this tuesday and I live down in the Tx City area if you are interested in looking at one in the next week or so.
05-05-2013 01:46 PM
nekojku
Quote:
Originally Posted by tlminh View Post
Did the bolts on the bumper line up straight with the holes in the frame or did you have to drill the holes bigger?
The bolts on mine lined up perfectly. One of the holes were a bit small so I had drill out a mm. But in terms of alignment it was perfect.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Rubicon View Post
I just trim mined mine as well fit on after that. Did anyone have trouble with the bolts that connect the skid plate to the bumper hitting the 4 bolt plate.
I remember reading past threads that some people had to leave out the bolts that hit the bolt plate. So basically two bolts.
05-05-2013 08:33 AM
RedSectorA
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Rubicon View Post
I just trim mined mine as well fit on after that. Did anyone have trouble with the bolts that connect the skid plate to the bumper hitting the 4 bolt plate.
Yes, I did not use one on the drivers side because it would impact the frame horn.
05-05-2013 06:31 AM
kramer2k
Quote:
Originally Posted by tlminh View Post
Did the bolts on the bumper line up straight with the holes in the frame or did you have to drill the holes bigger?
Mine lined up perfectly. My bumper slipped right on.
05-05-2013 02:05 AM
Blue Rubicon I just trim mined mine as well fit on after that. Did anyone have trouble with the bolts that connect the skid plate to the bumper hitting the 4 bolt plate.
05-05-2013 01:57 AM
PhotoWrangler
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas_Jeep View Post
Just put PSC front and rear.
Where are you in the Metro? I'd love to see this in person before I buy it.

I'm in Deer Park.
05-05-2013 01:43 AM
tlminh Did the bolts on the bumper line up straight with the holes in the frame or did you have to drill the holes bigger?
05-04-2013 09:41 AM
nekojku
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ltblue View Post
I just installed the mid width brawler..
So that was what was in my way the whole time, #$%#%$ crash bar!!
Yea. Trimming the bar took the longest time. After that it was a breeze.
05-03-2013 11:17 PM
Ltblue I just installed the mid width brawler..
So that was what was in my way the whole time, #$%#%$ crash bar!!
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